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Topic: All this S-turn talk has me wondering...
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RedScorp
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posted October 14, 2012 06:26 AM
  
What's so bad about him? Why does everyone fear or resent him? Like, he isn't killing people, you're not having hands chopped off when he's transiting your Mercury...Isn't he teaching you? Building you up? Knocking you sober? I don't get it...he affects both of my feminine planets, (trine Venus, Aquarius Moon) so maybe I can value him easier? I dunno...  Or could it be that because he's in Pisces, he's easier on me. Hmph. Basically, what's your opinion on S-turn and why is it negative (if it's negative)? IP: Logged |
ueharaa
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posted October 14, 2012 06:42 AM
I see saturn as the dreaded father that you don't like because he is unloving and just makes your life harder.
Basically it makes everything more difficult by creating obstacles, delays and setbacks.
Sure, it thus makes you work hard, and you have the opportunity to improve yourself with saturn, which makes the reward all the more valuable but the downside is that you also may not master or learn your lesson completely. And what does saturn do when you didn't learn completely? It makes you go through it over again and this time it will be ten times worse, because saturn is all about learning the hard cold way. I think that's why saturn is not well liked. Because most likely whatever issue or difficulty you have that is causing you great distress, it will have an hand in it, either natally or by progression or transits to your natal. I have six planets and my descendant in capricorn. And I hated it when saturn was in libra basically squaring all of my personal points and angles.
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Got Gemini??
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posted October 14, 2012 09:59 AM
Saturn is probably the most talked about planet on lindaland, probably followed by Moon, then Neptune, then Venus.Saturn is sextile my sun and mercury so I embrace Saturn in synastry and composites, even the hard squares, opps, conjunctions. I think we can learn to work with Saturn's influences if we know they are there. We may not be able to shake the "feelings" Saturn aspects impart but we may be able to still make conscious decisions based on knowing what Saturn is doing. Like, if you have Saturn square a planet with someone, and you know what the placement brings, then you can identify problems it may bring and you can then work around it. Another example, Saturn square sun in syanstry. Criticism of the other is key to that placement. You could work with the placement by not being critical of the other person, even though you may still "feel" like you should. ------------------
Gemini Sun
Libra Moon
Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus
Virgo Mars
Virgo Asc And yes, I'm a guy! IP: Logged |
C1ND3R
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posted October 14, 2012 11:17 AM
While it moved over my Sun, i had a heart condition i had to have checked out. He's not over your Sun yet, maybe but once he does reach the vicinity, you'll understand. IP: Logged |
enchantress299
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posted October 14, 2012 11:23 AM
Honestly, I hadn't ever really had a problem with Saturn until this summer. In the past few years he's moved over my Sun, MC, Venus, Mercury, and Pluto. Each time it was some lesson that was relatively easy to deal with and was needed. It wasn't until he hit my Pluto/Saturn conjunction that I've felt utterly exhausted trying to handle the things that I've had to handle this summer. But, to Saturn's credit, I had become complacent in my life, and I needed to be reminded that I'm here for bigger and better things. I need a change up, and Saturn's transit is pretty much forcing me to change things. IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted October 14, 2012 11:35 AM
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While it moved over my Sun, i had a heart condition i had to have checked out.
Aw snap were you okay in the end? It didn't persist, did it? IP: Logged |
frankie2912
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posted October 15, 2012 07:39 PM
what i don't get is why everyone is referring to Saturn as S-turn..wtf? this is stupid. sAturn. there's an A in there.IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted October 15, 2012 08:15 PM
^ LOL  Doesn't scare me. It only scares non-Capricorns. IP: Logged |
Chryseis
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Registered: Jul 2012
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posted October 15, 2012 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by frankie2912:
what i don't get is why everyone is referring to Saturn as S-turn..wtf? this is stupid. sAturn. there's an A in there.
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Chryseis
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posted October 15, 2012 09:32 PM
however, good question redscorpI wrote a poem about Saturn to get some insight, but I didn't understand it. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted October 16, 2012 12:11 AM
ok here's the way I see it, saturn is great if you're doing everything right and being a model citizen , but if you make any sort of mistake or do something wrong saturn sees to it that you are punished severely. here's a story from my life that illustrates this: last october I was fired from a job for playing hooky and going to a football game because some prick felt the need to call my boss and rat me out, this is saturn in the 12th at work, I was punished severely because a hidden enemy ratted me out. after I was fired I was unemployed for 6 months and went through a very hard time financially, all this because I made the mistake of missing 1 day of work, 1 day! most people call out of work sometimes so they can go to a concert,sports event etc( or they have at some point in their life).especially young people, and they never get punished for it, but I did it once and I
suffered for it.. that's how saturn operatesIP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted October 16, 2012 12:42 AM
This is my feeling on satorn...LOL
Personally, mine is square my uranus...this can be a mild frustration or an all out blood bath! Mine is leo sat, scorp uranus...fixed stubborn and fighting for the lead, it was a blood bath!!
But what i realized after this aspect coming to life, and leaving me destroyed is....sat isnt so bad!
Its all about not fighting sat, respecting what sat is telling us! Its about adjusting your sense of responsibility.
I don't think sat is so bad, its us that is messed up, not saturn! We have lost our concept of what is truly important and what is actually our responsibility. We think its our responsibility to deny our needs, but thats actually very self destructive! If we could start over, clean out all the knee jerk reactions that come from fear of being hurt, come from our suffering, the things we have been through...if we could be retaught what truly is our responsibility...i think sat would become our friend! It would be sat that kept us making sure we didnt self destruct!
Personally i love sathorn....lol!
Even in synastry when i feel its pull, i know its time to sit up and take notice! Something isnt being donr correctly and its us thats hurting! Sat cares about our deepest humanity and expects us to take care of ourselves! When sat wakes up, we need to take a much deeper look at the situation bringing it out! If sat is activating...something is being denied or controlled and usually its out of fear, pain and insecurity! When you feel the sat pull, its telling you that you need to reevaluate yours and your partners needs, thats the truly the deepest responsibility of humanity, and saturn is reminding us to make sure everyone is being nurtured, loved and respected, including ourselves...we need to get the fear out of our relationships so we don't tear each other up...instead we build and support each other! IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted October 16, 2012 01:38 AM
^I like what you wrote, Gabby! I over all like what I'm hearing!  IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted October 16, 2012 01:49 AM
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Originally posted by RedScorp:
^I like what you wrote, Gabby! I over all like what I'm hearing!
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"Leo saturn in 10th house, im a professional goofball, working for smiles!"
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Gabby
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posted October 16, 2012 02:27 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
ok here's the way I see it, saturn is great if you're doing everything right and being a model citizen , but if you make any sort of mistake or do something wrong saturn sees to it that you are punished severely. here's a story from my life that illustrates this: last october I was fired from a job for playing hooky and going to a football game because some prick felt the need to call my boss and rat me out, this is saturn in the 12th at work, I was punished severely because a hidden enemy ratted me out. after I was fired I was unemployed for 6 months and went through a very hard time financially, all this because I made the mistake of missing 1 day of work, 1 day! most people call out of work sometimes so they can go to a concert,sports event etc( or they have at some point in their life).especially young people, and they never get punished for it, but I did it once and I
suffered for it.. that's how saturn operates
Maybe the true lesson saturn was trying to teach is that you shouldn't have to hide your/deny your needs....respect your needs and your needs to be respected!
Saturn doesnt hate you for being happy, it hates you for thinking you have to lie, hide and sneak around! Really Saturn just wants you to respect yourself enough to say...i have needs and others need to respect that!
As ive learned to love and embrace saturn, ive had times the thought has entered my head to cover my tracks...then i remember life is about respect! Saturn is about respect! So, if i am running late, i dont call with a fake excuse...if im running late i call and say i am but dont give an explantion, i wait for the universe to see how i should handle it...and whats strange is ive never had to lie, altho i was prepared to tell the truth but everytime its been that the other person was later than me and they never asked anything about it, so i never said a word or had to explain myself! The universe respected me because i was ready to respect the universe...but being like this does make me think much harder about respect and next time i'm going to be planning ahead so im not late at all! I think saturn works in this way! The respect saturn gave me through the universe, has made me want to give it back, it has inspired me to do better, not belittled me into feeling like crap about myself!
Its much better to be in front of saturn asking for guidance than to be behind saturn and getting drug along! IP: Logged |
zenith
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From: York, UK
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted October 20, 2012 06:43 PM
I'm comfortable with Saturn. We've had our ups and downs but generally I think he's looking out for me (cruel to be kind - that sort of thing). Saturn's my ruling planet and I like that he is. It gives me some much needed grit! IP: Logged |
Curious Bull
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Registered: Oct 2012
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posted October 20, 2012 07:34 PM
Hey everyone and Great thread RedScorp!Until I read this thread I didn't think of Saturn as negative -- but now I went and pondered my chart and my Saturn returns -- OMG! I have Saturn on the corner of a T square with Moon centre & neptune also. :-( Saturn in H3 in gemini:
Square moon H6 in Leo
Opposed Neptune in H9 in Sagittarius My Saturn return wasn't nice looking back. I ended up in hospital and unable to work for over a year. The areas impacted were exactly H3, 6 & 9. Same story every since. And yes - I have been and still am learning a lot from it. What choice do we have if we are to do more than survive but grow and thrive? - CB quote:
Originally posted by RedScorp:
What's so bad about him? Why does everyone fear or resent him? Like, he isn't killing people, you're not having hands chopped off when he's transiting your Mercury...Isn't he teaching you? Building you up? Knocking you sober? I don't get it...he affects both of my feminine planets, (trine Venus, Aquarius Moon) so maybe I can value him easier? I dunno... Or could it be that because he's in Pisces, he's easier on me. Hmph. Basically, [b]what's your opinion on S-turn and why is it negative (if it's negative)?[/B]
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RedScorp
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posted October 20, 2012 07:48 PM
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and Great thread RedScorp!
Omgggg aahahhahaah gee thanks,  IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted October 20, 2012 08:36 PM
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you're not having hands chopped off when he's transiting your Mercury...
lol Frankly... I wouldn't bet my money on it! IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted October 20, 2012 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
ok here's the way I see it, saturn is great if you're doing everything right and being a model citizen , but if you make any sort of mistake or do something wrong saturn sees to it that you are punished severely. here's a story from my life that illustrates this: last october I was fired from a job for playing hooky and going to a football game because some prick felt the need to call my boss and rat me out, this is saturn in the 12th at work, I was punished severely because a hidden enemy ratted me out. after I was fired I was unemployed for 6 months and went through a very hard time financially, all this because I made the mistake of missing 1 day of work, 1 day! most people call out of work sometimes so they can go to a concert,sports event etc( or they have at some point in their life).especially young people, and they never get punished for it, but I did it once and I
suffered for it.. that's how saturn operates
Saturn in 12th is really difficult placement in my experience..I’ve been going through the transit and it feels like karma is standing right behind me to kick my arse if I mess up IP: Logged |
a_may_gemini
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Registered: Sep 2012
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posted October 23, 2012 01:33 AM
I like Saturn a lot. Natally, I have exalted Libra Saturn in the 1st house that conjuncts my Asc, opposites Des, squares MC and IC, trines Sun and Mars, conjuncts Jupiter, trines Neptune, opposite Moon, square Mercury, etc.... basically, I'm a very Saturnine person.Because I'm Air Saturn, I'm a bit nicer, but I still like throwing the hammer at people when they're being unrealistic or Neptunian or worst, acting too emotional (moon). I hate emotional stuff and people. That literally GROSSES me out and I also severely dislike irrationality. But thank goodness Saturn likes me. Blaming Saturn for bad stuff happening is like hurling a glass across the room at a wall and blaming the glass for smashing. Good one. Saturn doesn't like irresponsible anything. I don't view Saturn as a punisher. I've played hookie many times at work and I never got in trouble for it. I'm not a model citizen- I'm a lawless person; I've cheated the system, stolen, and gotten away with it many times. I'm not an embezzler nor am I career thief, I'm just saying I'm not perfect. On top of that, I am very legal savvy and at one point, I even contemplated being a lawyer. However, I am a pretty upright person and I will be honest with others. That's something that is equipped in people with strong Saturn aspects. Saturn doesn't really reward those who are goody goodies nor does he "punish" those who are naughty. He's NOT f*cking Santa Claus. What Saturn does do is present harsh, realistic lessons and it's really up to you to decide what you want to do about it and now to proceed. If you take a destructive path, you will have to face the consequences and if you take an honest path, you'll gain knowledge. What you do is always up to you. How you handle anything is up to you. Saturn presents the choices you have and it's up to you to be sober enough to make decisions and face the consequences, whatever they may be. Saturn isn't some sort of mystical force. He's not the harbinger of doom. Saturn represents all things real- good and bad, but it has to be real and that requires some strength to stomach what happens. Saturn's "rewards" is knowledge that you learn in order to survive, and to survive well: to be independent. That's the best thing that could be sought after but that is not something that is given away nor is it something based upon luck. It's something that gets rewarded to those who worked really hard and learned how to better themselves. Saturn only likes those who are realistic and willing to work towards bettering themselves. That's probably why Saturn has such a bad reputation. IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted October 23, 2012 01:47 AM
^I like what you said, miss may gemini! Especially the use of "sober". He's the last planet that deals with REAL life. After that, you have Uranus off in space, Neptune addicted or drowning, and Pluto unrealistically (self) obsessed. My S-turn is notably LESS active compared to yours lmfao! A 1 degree trine to Venus (god send) and a 7 degree trine to Mercury (though at that width, I think it takes more work to call upon it).I think my S-turn is a big softie...he's in the Seventh, Pisces, which are two Venusian-strong placements. Coupled with the aforementioned trine, I think he lives to serve my Venus. There is a semisquare to Neptune and Uranus, though, so that might catch me from behind... IP: Logged |
Lily
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posted October 24, 2012 06:35 PM
Why are people calling "Saturn" "s-turn?"IP: Logged |
mockingbird
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posted October 24, 2012 08:07 PM
Saturn: Eat yer spinach!
It's full of iron and shite!People: But I don't wanna! Saturn: *shoves spinach down your mouth*
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*laughs after you collapse during a marathon because you didn't eat right* ------------------
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mockingbird
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posted October 24, 2012 08:50 PM
...or perhaps chases you down the street with a stick until you collapse because you didn't eat your spinach.------------------
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