posted October 16, 2012 12:50 AM              

I read something on the internet stating that havng 25 Degrees in Leo in your chart makes you prone to be violent and criminal like. From this site:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Degrees.html

"25 degrees of Leo is also violent. In predictive astrology, problems will result from this placement according to the affairs it rules and/or house it is in. This is a very strong degree of alchoholism. Many who are chronic alcoholics have prominent planets on the 25th degree of Taurus, Leo, Scorpio or Aquarius. Especially strong if Neptune is involved."

I also read from Astology for Dmmies 2nd Edition that a Leo or Aquarius at 25 Degrees in the chart tends to be part of the charts of Astrologers (or at the very least it woul increase a person's interest in Astrology).

posted October 16, 2012 01:11 AM            

25 degrees of Leo is violent, many people in prison for violent crimes have their chart rulers on this degree. Also, this is not a good degree for a planet to be on in a predictive chart. Problems will result from this placement according to the affairs it rules and/or house it is in. This is a very strong degree of alcoholism. Many who are chronic alcoholics have prominent planets on the 25th degree of Taurus, Leo, Scorpio or Aquarius. Especially strong if Neptune is involved.

15 Degrees of Taurus, Scorpio and Aquarius are also unfortunate, but not to the extent as 15 degrees of Leo, one of the worst degrees in the Zodiac.

16, 17, 18, 19, 22 and 25 Degrees of Taurus are all degrees of violence.

9 Degrees of Gemini- degree of homocide.

17 Degrees of Gemini- degree of homocide.

6 Degrees of Cancer possible physical disability and to a lesser extent, 6 degrees, Libra, Capricorn and Aries. Especially if the planet occupies the first house.

6 Degrees of Leo/Aquarius is bad for eyesight.

12 Degrees of Leo, degree of beauty.

9 Degrees of Virgo and Pisces are known as fatal degrees, body in the ditch degrees or degrees of suffering.
9 degrees of Pisces is one of the worst degrees in the Zodiac.

9 Degrees of Sagittarius, is a warrior degree, and also a degree of homocide.

22 degrees of all signs is bad, either natally or in prediction.

CAPUT ALGOL - [25 Degrees of Taurus]
Here is one of the most violent stars in the zodiac. In natal charts, this gives a most violent disposition, with murderous tendencies. This is intensified when intoxicated. The mean viscious drunk. On the upside, it bestows athletic ability. The intense nature, when sublimated, can give the drive to reach the top. Olympic gymnasts, Shannon Miller and Olga Korbut are examples here. When conjunct the descendent, violence will come from others, especially the lover or marriage partner.

PRAESEPE - [7 degrees into Leo]
Bad for eyesight. Losses coming from others. Adventuresome, brutality, perverse, reckless.

ALPHARD - [26 degrees into Leo]
Lack of control, violence, unethical, subject to imprisonment and tragedy. Connection with poisons and toxins.

posted October 16, 2012 01:18 AM            

Farthest thing from serial killer you could imagine and ended up extremely religious and spiritual, kind and sensitive....almost to a fault.

posted October 16, 2012 01:38 AM            

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Originally posted by T:
I know two people with that promient degree (along with some other major "negative.scary/doom & gloom ones) and they have went to the complete opposite end of the spectrum.

Farthest thing from serial killer you could imagine and ended up extremely religious and spiritual, kind and sensitive....almost to a fault.

Just had to point it out.

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posted October 16, 2012 04:24 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
My DNA is at 9 degree gemini,born to be a serial killer?

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Ouch! Or maybe your going to be a profiler, helping to protect ppl from serial killers?

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posted October 16, 2012 08:20 AM            

We should be careful not to make blanket statements based on astrology stereotypes. There's billions of people on the planet. I can't even guess how many have Leo 15 and 25 degrees. I seriously doubt they are all violent or spiritual.

This is exactly why I never bought into Sabian symbols. I think I read somewhere that it was one person that made them up not too long ago.

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posted October 16, 2012 08:27 AM            

But seriously, my Sun is at 25 Leo and I have a prominent Neptune, as in every planet aspects it, it's also the focal point of a yod [it's also the base of another and helps to form the base to a Thor's Hammer]...

I'm not an alcoholic or violent but I am an astrologer.

If I didn't have my children ~ I could probably be an alcoholic.

Violence? I have one heck of a temper but with Mars in Taurus it's like waiting for Yellowstone to blow

posted October 16, 2012 09:10 AM              

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Originally posted by Gabby:
25 degrees of Leo is violent, many people in prison for violent crimes have their chart rulers on this degree. Also, this is not a good degree for a planet to be on in a predictive chart. Problems will result from this placement according to the affairs it rules and/or house it is in. This is a very strong degree of alcoholism. Many who are chronic alcoholics have prominent planets on the 25th degree of Taurus, Leo, Scorpio or Aquarius. Especially strong if Neptune is involved.

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Degrees.html

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XD thats the site where I learned about Leo placements at 25° being violent!

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Originally posted by quinnlycanastro:

But seriously, my Sun is at 25 Leo and I have a prominent Neptune, as in every planet aspects it, it's also the focal point of a yod [it's also the base of another and helps to form the base to a Thor's Hammer]...

I'm not an alcoholic or violent but I am an astrologer.

If I didn't have my children ~ I could probably be an alcoholic.

Violence? I have one heck of a temper but with Mars in Taurus it's like waiting for Yellowstone to blow

I have to agree with GG, I think you need to err on the side of caution with ANY fatalistic interpretations that are said to apply to large numbers of people.[/B]

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Hmmmm maybe its the fact that my Leo is in my Moon (which as we all know affects emotions) thats why I'm was such a violent criminal for years and still have a violent temper

Perhaps other placements in my chart also affects this?

Lets see I got two water signs in the basic 3s-Sun in Pisces 26° and Scorpio Ascendant around 8°.

I read somewhere water and fire combos are known to be quite unstable. So that may be a factor.

Also my Scorpio Rising being within the first Deccan may be creating powerful effects. My personality is most Scorpionic (and least Piscean). I have many of the stereotypical traits of Scorpio including plenty of the negatives such as "Self-Centeredness, nastiness, and lust".So I think the Scorpio Rising really adds up into effect of the 25° Leo Criminality thing.

Oh and I'm not sure if this actually complements it, but I also have a Mercury in Aries 8°. I'm don't know about Mercury in Aries other than the fact it adds assertiveness in debates and arguments and gives a Pisces considerably more willpower than they typically have.

Also just to add, Isabel Hickey, who Astrology for Dummies cite as an example of a typical serious Astrologer's chart and was stated by the book as inspiring generations of Astrologers, had a sun in Leo 25°.So far both from this site and other sites I visited the 25° Leo being an Astrologer is true !

posted October 16, 2012 03:04 PM            

my asc ruler, sun, sits at 27 degrees leo, along with 26th degree southnode in leo.

why are these degrees black-and-whitedly associated with such determined labels?

posted October 16, 2012 03:31 PM            

Karma @ 15 Leo - I do feel my life is very karmic, I figure i'm paying my dues when things are bad and try and do it with as much grace as possible so I can be square with the universe again.

9 Degrees of Gemini- degree of homocide.
9 Degrees of Sagittarius, is a warrior degree, and also a degree of homocide.

Moon @ 9 Gemini Opp. 9 Sagittarius

6 Degrees of Leo/Aquarius is bad for eyesight.

IC @ 6 Leo - Lasik for the win!

9 Degrees of Virgo and Pisces are known as fatal degrees, body in the ditch degrees or degrees of suffering.
9 degrees of Pisces is one of the worst degrees in the Zodiac.

Nodes @ 9 Virgo/Pisces

22 degrees of all signs is bad, either natally or in prediction.

Sun @ 22 Leo

CAPUT ALGOL - [25 Degrees of Taurus]
Here is one of the most violent stars in the zodiac. In natal charts, this gives a most violent disposition, with murderous tendencies. This is intensified when intoxicated. The mean viscious drunk. On the upside, it bestows athletic ability. The intense nature, when sublimated, can give the drive to reach the top.

ASC @ 25 Taurus - I have been told many times I am a "fun' drunk & that I am nicer when I drink. I do feel an intense drive to 'reach the top'

Not a serial killer or a violent person. But seeing violence doesn't shock or scare me in any way, I also don't seem to have a fear of death and if i were to die today I would be okay with that - & not in a depressed or otherwise way. I am just at peace with it & look at it more realistically, we are all going to die anyway.

posted October 16, 2012 09:13 PM            

but Im with every one else here.. I dont think "just" the degree would make some one a killer..

My mars at 26leo
Sun at 16 Leo
Merc/Moon at 14 LEo

posted October 17, 2012 12:59 AM            

They're also there when someone is an artist, athlete or very spiritual. These points show a heightened area where they hit for good or bad.

posted October 17, 2012 02:13 AM            

I even have an understanding of how it all works on a scientific level, to simplify it for the questioners.

I can see now significance in degrees, as in fact if one were to measure accurately degree measurements would change over time. So on what basis can somebody say 25 Leo is *bad*? And would you recommend I say this to a client??

It may show in a few serial killer charts ~surely this is where the statistic *comes* from?? And I see an element of Leonine expression certainly in the publicity sought by some serial killers.

posted October 17, 2012 02:45 AM            

I am a vegetarian and will not kill spiders even. Having said that, Hitler was a vegetarian too. Still I do not think I would be inclined to kill anyone unless that person was after my family.

posted October 17, 2012 03:46 AM            

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When I took up astrology I appraised every new concept with the healthy skepticism a scientist would. So in fact all I believe about planets, aspects, houses I've tried out, examined and cross referenced many times. I could never allow myself to advise others without doing so.

I even have an understanding of how it all works on a scientific level, to simplify it for the questioners.

I can see now significance in degrees, as in fact if one were to measure accurately degree measurements would change over time. So on what basis can somebody say 25 Leo is *bad*? And would you recommend I say this to a client??

It may show in a few serial killer charts ~surely this is where the statistic *comes* from?? And I see an element of Leonine expression certainly in the publicity sought by some serial killers.

Are these US serial killers? Does this degree point make contact to the US independence chart?

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It's not just serial killers, but many types of criminals and it's not just criminals. But can also be victims of some sort of crime or abuse.

posted October 17, 2012 03:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
I read soethign in the link. If maybe someone could explain this?

Quote: 29 Degrees of Pisces is a permanent ending in predictive astrology, as is 29 degrees of Taurus.

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posted October 17, 2012 08:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Lily:
These degrees are accurate. They don't always mean someone is going to act out the negative, but when I look at charts of criminals or victims many of the and a few others that aren't included here are there.

They're also there when someone is an artist, athlete or very spiritual. These points show a heightened area where they hit for good or bad.

These degrees have precessed since this article was written. For example, The 25th degree was likely alphard which has moved to 27 degrees now and scheat has moved to 0 aries. The other degrees still remain sensitive though.

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Out of the Billions of people on the planet, what is your sample size of charts that you have studied that you came to the conclusion that you can say this is true if I may ask?

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