posted October 19, 2012 04:37 PM            

I mentioned him because he's a psychiatrist, and has done controlled studies...
One of the good points with that particular book is that he gives a list of common markers and shows how many of the markers would be in an average chart versus someone who has the illness.

The other way you could go is to read up on psychological astrology to see how a person would deal with/express themselves if they were suffering from any sort of disorder.

Eileen Nauman also does medical astrology and so does Jane Ridder Patrick

posted October 21, 2012 02:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:
What sign has actual rulership over mental health and/or illness?

I feel like I should know the answer to this question flat out but all I can think of is the 6th/12th axis. And maybe H3...?

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You're on the right track. It isn't the sign, but the planetary aspects and specific houses that matter.

12th = mental health, subconscious, undesirable things trying to surface (often part of your karmic package at birth). This includes aspects to the 12th cusp itself (in a very accurate, validated chart, not just one based on a specific time).

Potential mental instability is indicated with multiple hard aspects from the Moon. Hard aspects involving Uranus/Pisces to Asc. Consider that in some ways mental illnesses are 'altered' states of mind, which would indicate the transpersonal planets Uranus, Neptune.

You can't find this in one house alone, and you can't determine a later diagnosis purely on natal potentials.

posted October 21, 2012 05:45 AM            

My sister is seriously mentally ill. She is diagnosed bi-polar, but unlike other bi-polar people I've known, she is extremely manipulative and very, very nasty. I refuse to be alone with her or enter into any kind of deeper conversation where I may make myself vulnerable or open to her in any way.

She's a Pisces Sun with a Venus singleton and a Cancer Moon.

Her Cancer Moon is directly opposed my Capricorn Moon, and what I believe astrologically to be the cause of her extreme mental illness, hostility, miscommunication and, sadly, isolation is that she was born when Uranus and Neptune were both in Capricorn... both opposed to her natal Moon...

Hence, her Neptune/Uranus is conjunct my Moon in Synastry.

posted October 22, 2012 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
You're on the right track. It isn't the sign, but the planetary aspects and specific houses that matter.

12th = mental health, subconscious, undesirable things trying to surface (often part of your karmic package at birth). This includes aspects to the 12th cusp itself (in a very accurate, validated chart, not just one based on a specific time).

Potential mental instability is indicated with multiple hard aspects from the Moon. Hard aspects involving Uranus/Pisces to Asc. Consider that in some ways mental illnesses are 'altered' states of mind, which would indicate the transpersonal planets Uranus, Neptune.

You can't find this in one house alone, and you can't determine a later diagnosis purely on natal potentials.

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Kannnon

Hi Thanks, yeah I know about many of the aspects but it suddenly occurred to me that I wasn't sure if the concept of mental illness had a ruler. And I agree with what you wrote. I did a very small study on PTSD earlier this year and it was really interesting (with Moon in hard aspect to Mars being prominent in *almost* all cases, but like I said, it was a small study).

Venus de Milo,

I find that the 12th is usually involved in some way thus far although again, with no ruler there are no hard and fast rules about it I suppose. I know some people you are bi polar and it largely depends on various factors (and whether or not they take their meds). Sorry to hear about your situation. It sounds difficult for all involved.

JLyn - Yes, mental *and* emotional for sure. I personally don't see that you can really separate the mental, the emotional and the physical but then I'm a holistic thinker/practitioner. Just on a logical level though, one's feelings inform one's thoughts (or vice versa) and it can have effects on the body. Or the body is not well and it affects our emotions and thoughts, etc. etc. I see them as being all interrelated.

posted October 22, 2012 07:01 PM            

Mercury square pluto in 8th house - It's emotional cause u see straight through but it's unethical to pin point face to face unless you sense meeting on the same level, otherwise, it feels unnerving like you wanta twist the subject to throw them off for making you feel so inadequate. Its very unsettling knowing the words between the words but your having a bad day and KNOW but can't participate.

Pisces moon 12th - It's like another undercover eye that sits quietly and takes in all thoughts actions and feelings from its surroundings, represents the unconscious so sleeping and day-dreams that becomes emotionally affected, obsessive-worry absent shell behavior is the result.