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Topic: Astrology & past life?
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CAY_512
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posted October 19, 2012 10:33 AM
  
I know people who study astrology have all different back grounds but I am curious to hear what those who believe in past lives think about those who did the wrong thing in another life. Do they get a harder chart? Is that the worst they will get?
Sometimes I think people who hurt others or profit from doing the wrong thing will never have any consequences, ever.
What are your opinions with Astrology and past lives that are lived in a bad way?
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CRCRINCON
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Registered: Aug 2012
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posted October 19, 2012 12:51 PM
I have a deep resonation with Evolutionary Astrology. It deals a lot with the Nodes and what we bring into this life time from the last and how to work with that energy. Here is a description of it. Evolutionary astrology is an astrological style or framework often applied within the context of a natal astrology reading. An evolutionary astrologer works from the belief that souls reincarnate and evolve over many lifetimes and are therefore born with pre-existing experiences and orientations that affect the soul's current incarnation. In the evolutionary astrology paradigm, the natal chart is believed to show the souls intent, the life lessons of a person's present life, and to give insight into lessons and learnings of past incarnations.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_astrology
Maurice Fernandez has incredible information about this style. And his spiritual take on everything personally speaks to me. I have one of his books and it is thought provoking and insightful. Here is his take on what you are asking about and links to his books. http://www.mauricefernandez.com/eng_whatis.html
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CAY_512
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posted October 25, 2012 09:28 PM
Thank you for your response. This is very interesting. I haven't heard about this subject in this way before. Ill have to read one of his books.IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted October 26, 2012 01:53 PM
If an experience of mine truly showed past lives of mine (which at the time I had no doubt it did) then choices & events in other lives can echo in this one. If that's the case then I imagine it does affect astrology (which would reflect a soul being incarnate in this world, as the stars reflect the "above" that's about to be manifested "below" in the material world).That said, I don't believe there's some "judge" who metes out justice, our consequences are our own to bear, in this life and any other. And it doesn't matter how pure your heart is or what your motives are, if you touch a hot pan then you get burned irregardless, and consequences like that are the only ones I believe in. Don't mistake me for amoral even though I believe the cosmos is amoral, however. I'm actually a lot nicer and more trustworthy than many people who believe in moral karma, God/dess, etc. Wait...ok, there is one thing...when I experienced those past lives was back when I was doing a meditation a witch gave me to clear astral blockages (as I felt astral pain, long, unimportant story) and wasn't intended to make me remember previous lives (which I didn't even believe in) at all, and the most powerful memory was being a male French pirate in the 18th century, and a lot of that, good & bad, was reflected in the life I'm living now. The important part was my death...as a pirate I did a lot of very bad things, I even believed some of those I tortured & killed (especially soldiers or anyone representing the law or government) was the closest the world ever came to true justice, and I took sadistic delight at times at their pain, despair, and deaths (and in truth some of those really were as bad, perhaps even worse, than us), but as it was my turn to die I had the out of body experience and I felt sad at the fighting still going on, felt compassion for both sides, and then suddenly I felt the pain of my 2 wives (in different ports, didn't know about each other, and the reason I was still a pirate was because if I settled down as both wanted me to then I'd have to choose just one and I loved them both too much to choose) and their respective children would feel when I never returned (both emotionally and financially) and that hurt, and yet my consciousness grew so that I was aware not only of the pain of me & mine but of those who we killed, including those I'd killed in the past, and the pain of their loved ones, and as my ego dissolved I was able to see how we were each like damned souls in a twisted hall of mirrors, each of us a reflection of each other (for want of a better phrase) and the compassion I felt for my family grew to their families and to those I killed (the fact that some of them were vile ******** didn't make it any better as we were all vile ******** , whatever side of the law we were on) and the crushing weight of all that pain was so intense that if I still had lungs I'd have shrieked them raw, and THAT ineffable pain I felt right then was what caused the astral blockage in this life, it was a literal scar that needed to be drained of its poison. People think Hell is things like burning forever, but it's much worse...it's becoming pure love and feeling the pain you caused to everyone both directly and indirectly with no self-justification made possible. And knowing that those same people will face the same reckoning, including feeling all the pain they inflicted on you, doesn't make it better, it makes it even worse, because all you feel for them all is love, and with that compassion and forgiveness. IP: Logged |
7thGuardian
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posted October 26, 2012 02:37 PM
ever heard of the judgment day - which is suppose to come for each and everyone of us at time of death? ...i believe it's true "in a way" but not the way i/you heard it from bible or other sources...- if you check your chart - you'll see that u have limitations in terms of what u can feel, understand and so on... for example: in this life you might have only 3% Water Elements 60% Earth Elements 33% Fire Elements and 4% Air... in terms of emotion and conceptual mind - you're very limited in this life... and you can do things which you couldn't under different values... now, this is just one example - cause your chart is a lot more complex than that - but at time of death... under your spiritual form - all the bars (Earth, Water, Air, Fire) will be at 100% - and at that time "you'll know what you did wrong" - practicably, you'll be your own judge - you might be the one that chooses the next experience - a way to pay your karmic debt... mainly - that's also one of the most important things showed in astrology - your spiritual evolution at this point - which implies a continuity and many past lives... our life spawn and the way life is experienced as a human - seems to be intended for this type of evolution - youth, aging and around 70 - 100 years life spawn - seems to be the right choice, as if this was passed through a test drive and the best values were carefully selected... i really thought about many possibilities - and even 200 years implies failure (not to mention the childish ideas we had at one point of 1000 years or immortality)... but even knowing this - i still feel sorrow for a loved one detached from my current life... beyond that - the death of a young one implies a karmic debt both for you and the one in question... there's an explanation for everything... and if you really think about it and you might be able to grasp the full picture... it's not like with the atheists or religious persons which resort to hate drawn from their own ignorance when dealing with this questions. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted October 26, 2012 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by CAY_512:
I know people who study astrology have all different back grounds but I am curious to hear what those who believe in past lives think about those who did the wrong thing in another life. Do they get a harder chart? Is that the worst they will get?
Sometimes I think people who hurt others or profit from doing the wrong thing will never have any consequences, ever.
What are your opinions with Astrology and past lives that are lived in a bad way?
I guess I feel that whatever they did "wrong" arises from a sort of deficiency in one area - I agree with 7thGuardian in that respect. So if they were lacking objectivity/fairness and let their personal feelings and biases overwhelm them, they might be given (or select, depending on what you think about it) an air-heavy chart in the next life. Or if they were too self-centred, they might be given a Libra north node in the next incarnation, or if they were spiritual to the point of lacking groundedness and presentness, they might be given a lot of earth in this life. I think it's about balance. And then of course there's those to whom we pay a karmic debt in the next incarnation, those we are destined to meet and serve again.
I'm looking forward to seeing "Cloud Atlas" 
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CAY_512
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posted October 26, 2012 04:25 PM
Thanks for all the replys. It is something that has been on my mind. Mostly, because of all the corruption that I see and I feel that some people who hurt others for profit can just keep on going, living their life, carefree, no problems.IP: Logged |
7thGuardian
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From: Transylvania
Registered: May 2012
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posted October 26, 2012 05:03 PM
The karmic debt from our current life gets paid even in this life - yet, you might know very little of what's happening people's life... from what's made public (which can be less than 3%). On the other hand - some debts can't be paid in their current life or just 1 life... Whom was once Hitler might still be around as Jew - a kid that gets bullied every day for being a Jew, or might be in jail and forced to deal with Aryans... The term "Hell" or "Heaven" has no real meaning beyond Earth experiences... based on your past life deeds you might be living a life which feels like Hell (forced to deal with a lot of misery) or something that's closer to Heaven... with a lot of blissful experiences...
Karma works - as the saying goes "what goes around comes around..." I've seen it in action there's no doubt about it... and I've seen both Hell and Heaven on Earth... as someone who's somewhere in the middle - i got a clear view on both sides... i believe in both happiness and misery - and the weird part about it - you can't experience true happiness if you haven't experienced the opposite - which can be used as a term of comparison. IP: Logged |
ail221
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From: Mary Margaret Blanchard's home
Registered: Feb 2012
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posted October 26, 2012 06:41 PM
Sure I believe in past lives with the overlapping of astrology showing in natal/draconic charts. I wouldn't necessarily say one person has a harder chart because you can never necessarily know what one person is going through mentally and emotionally that may be affecting them in this life, everyone has karma that needs to be fulfilled within each life and lessons to re-learn. Not everyone learns the lessons their suppose to learn in this life which could make things more difficult. On another note I don't necessarily think karma has to do with your actions in a previous life within the framework of good and bad. Sometimes your just suppose to cross paths with certain people, in order for other person's karma to be activated or fulfilled. I tend not to focus on waiting for someone else's negative actions to catch up to them because I already know its going to happen at some point and again you never know what someone else is going through that would cause them to behave in XYZ way. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted November 05, 2012 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
I'm looking forward to seeing "Cloud Atlas"
My parents came home from the cinema two weeks ago, where they had seen a trailer for this one. And they were absolutely mesmerized.
They donīt believe in reincarnation nor do they really like big blockbuster movies, but still they were fascinated, though couldnīt make a sense from what they had seen.
I hadnīt heard of the film before, but from what they were telling, I thought it must be about reincar
nation.
And for some reason I kept on thinking of Atlantis, when hearing "Atlas" (yes, I know it is a mountain).
Anyway, I have seen the trailer myself now and was absolutely stunned as well.
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