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posted October 21, 2012 02:09 PM            

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I am now convinced of that.

I may have the most wonderful aspects of Sun, Venus, etc., in synastry, but it's just not that. When there is SN involved - it takes deep to the soul. And overwrites everything else.

Say, I am Libra. It turns out that people i *feel* the most as MY people, always have their planets exactly on my node, or my Moon exactly on theirs. If in one case the attraction could be described with Sun-Moon being in one sign, + another one has this of DW - my Moon in his Sun sign, his Moon in my Sun sign, + his Sun exactly on my SN, ok. But the second bunch of people, born approximately a week apart from each other, are Taurus. No major conjunctions/connections between my planets and theirs, except for this Moon-SN conjunction. And yet they are so close to me, my homies...

So i would like to ask you - have you had synastries (and no matter, romantic ones or not), when it seems that you might have nothing in common, yet SN connection is doing all the work and is better than anything with mutual planet contacts without SN action|?

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posted October 21, 2012 02:18 PM            

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I wouldn`t say "override" everything, but they surely are a necessary ingredient.
To me it seems like strong activation of the nodal axis gives a strong sense of "meaning" and "purpose", which is an extremely strong glue. Even if the relationship does not take off the ground, the meeting probably proves to be an unforgettable one or will have a significant influence on the current path. However for me personally it is more conjunctions to my NN that do the trick (and squares). I think the reason is that he ruler of my SN and DESC is in Sagittarius conjunct Sun in 1st house, while the ruler of the NN and ASC is in pisces squaring the nodal axis and ASC-DESC.

However, what I really want to say is that i am not surprised that the lunar nodal axis is so important as it is the axis reflecting the interrelationship between Sun, Moon and Earth. (Spirit, soul and matter).
For the same reason I suspect is the Draco synastry so strong (esp. in terms of conjunctions / oppositions), actually I would favour the term "nodal chart" for this as it really is totally based on the nodal axis, and the other name reminds me too much of Dragons.

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posted October 21, 2012 03:12 PM            

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To some degree I definitely agree, I can always feel when someone's on one of my angular houses. However I am a fan of moon and mercury synastry.

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posted October 21, 2012 03:18 PM            

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posted October 21, 2012 03:20 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
However I am a fan of moon and mercury synastry.

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I second this. And add Eros to it and you can go to cosmos.

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posted October 21, 2012 03:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemmy:
Yes,I agree.

And it really sucks when the rest of the chart is not so good. Recently happened to me.His venus on my SN.

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Does it? What i thought was that it doesn't really suck, because all the problems of the regular chart could be resolved if there's that connection of SN + obviously the personal points action like ASC, etc.

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posted October 21, 2012 03:24 PM            

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I don't know about this.

Just taking myself as an example, I am not drawn to people who have planets on my nodes. Maybe it's because those nodes square my ascendant and 7th house. The people I connect with always have planets in my highly charged 7th house.

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posted October 21, 2012 03:41 PM            

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posted October 21, 2012 03:50 PM            

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I'm not romantically drawn to people who have personal planets on my nodes. Especially those on my SN, including the moon. I do have easy comfortable feelings with them, I attract them and we usually have a mutually supportive relationship. One of my long time friends, who I wouldn't like my life without has his Sun on my NN 2* and Moon on my SN 2* and my NN in his vertex 0*. So our sun/moon + NN make a lunar eclipse. He did at one point want a relationship with me, and with how comfortable I feel around him, it would be an easy but a very unfair one because I'm not at all sexually attracted to him.

I have my mom's SN conjunct my sun 0* and my mercury 1* and before I even knew about astrology, I felt held back and suffocated, almost like no matter what I did I couldn't escape her or her influence on me. She has so many traits that I admire, but those that are sketched onto my psyche are the very negative ones. I love my mom, and I feel like we will eventually be able to form a relationship with healthy boundaries. Her Venus is on my NN.

Overall, Sun on my NN has usually been a very positive experience but never romantic. I like these people for specific reasons, not because of a connection I feel with them.

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posted October 21, 2012 03:57 PM            

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I donīt think the nodal axis aspect would really *resolve* all problems, especially if there are no aspects between personal planets (I would gladly take any challenging aspect over an unaspected important personal planet).
The nodal axis will still perhaps draw people together, at least in some cases, but if the cores are not in touch, there is too little substance for it to be maintained in the long run.
however the progressed charts might have their say as well in this.

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posted October 21, 2012 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I donīt think the nodal axis aspect would really *resolve* all problems, especially if there are no aspects between personal planets (I would gladly take any challenging aspect over an unaspected important personal planet).
The nodal axis will still perhaps draw people together, at least in some cases, but if the cores are not in touch, there is too little substance for it to be maintained in the long run.
however the progressed charts might have their say as well in this.

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No, not like resolving all problems. But, say, the rest of the chart is challenging, for example, with me and my friend. Yet the fact that my Moon is on her SN by 10 minutes, has made the deal - we've found each other, we've grown to be very close over 2 months time, we are talking all the time, we have so much in common, despite the fact that charts are so different! What i'm saying is - it's definitely this SN that's keeping us together.

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posted October 21, 2012 05:04 PM            

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That was brilliantly stated, Ceridwen.

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posted October 21, 2012 07:05 PM            

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I agree that SN/Moon is very powerful and can keep a romantic relationship going based on the karma it involves. I do think that friendships are more easily maintained though with this aspect than romantic relationships. But that's just my personal experience.

I find that NN conjunctions are more exciting/challenging and SN conjunctions are more comfortable, but I think that's the norm for most people. I've always thought that ideally, I'd love to have both with a romantic partner. Then you get the comfort of the SN and the growth of the NN combined. (Ahhhhh. Single woman fantasies )

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posted October 22, 2012 12:43 PM            

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That was brilliantly stated, Ceridwen.

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posted October 23, 2012 11:08 PM            

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Aeline: do you have natal planets conjunct either node?

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posted October 24, 2012 01:00 AM            

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Jupiter at 7 degrees, but that is way to wide. But my Moon is also in the same sign, so maybe that.

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posted October 24, 2012 01:03 AM            

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Yes for me but related to my NN, I like conj to that point, esp their Venus/Moon/Jupiter/Uranus.

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posted October 24, 2012 08:25 AM            

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I don't find they over-ride planet synastry but I feel they're an ingredient I require for a powerful relationship.

They're what make it powerful quite often. Have you read Noel Tyl's article "getting to node you"? It's definitely worth a read, he's probably one of the best astrologers there is and whilst I don't subscribe to ALL of his theories I think he articulates node connections wonderfully.

I would imagine though ~ as most of us who study astrology are wishing to follow our soul path ~ spiritual types are more drawn to node connections. The more career driven, power desirous types may avoid soul connections in relationships ;-)

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posted October 24, 2012 05:20 PM            

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Remember what? I said that i've become really close to this girl, over just 2 months, my Moon on her SN exact? Right, now i found out her birth time, it's not only the Node aspect, actually the angles too. I'm not surprised, though, that that her ASC is exactly conjunct my IC. :d

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posted October 24, 2012 06:13 PM            

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My husband and I have:

His Sun conjunct my SN (0)
His Moon inconjunct my NN (0)
His Mar and Jupiter trine my NN(2)
His Juno conjucnt my SN(3)
His SN conjunct my Eros (3)
My NN contra parallel his Sun
My NN contra parallel his Venus
My NN contra parallel his Saturn

It was for sure an instant connection, recognition, pull to be together when we met and it just keeps on getting stronger over time. The chemistry was instant and has not let up one bit.

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posted October 24, 2012 11:31 PM            

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I had someone with their venus/merc on my s.node...my juno/dejanira was on their s.node...and we did have an amazing instant connection, it felt like his energy hit me, physically, the first time we met. It lasted for quite awhile, he was kind of a protector to me and we could easily talk all night, but eventually it seemed like we couldnt move forward if we were together. If we were to be together we needed to stay in the past, he had no contacts to my n.node and i had none to his! It felt like i lost my best friend, but we both felt it, we never talked about it tho. We let go, still are friends and when we see each other, even years in between, its like we were never apart! But its never very long before i start to feel stifled around him and want to get away from the old and feel something fresh and new...i sense he feels it to!
Hes comfy, the way grandmas house is at Christmas...but eventually Christmas is over, the snow has melted and your getting bored!

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posted October 28, 2012 04:55 AM            

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Yes, that's what I had been thinking too. The nodes (and also the vertex but it's more difficult to know for sure because we need one's birth time) seem to play a huge role in the kind of encounters where there is something bigger than the two people involved.
The synastry where nodes contacts are involved seem to be the ones that affect us the most, however long the meeting/relationship/connection was, it always seem to play a crucial part in shaping one's evolution. There also seems to be a strong attachment theme when the nodes are involved in synastry. I've only recently noticed this. That somehow, even if the person isn't good for you, even when it's come to an end, you just don't forget them all that easily. The experience stays.
I wouldn't say they beat other planetary aspects though, I still think a moon venus conjunction is much nicer to have than a saturn south node one. But nodes aspect do bring their own flavor and when they do it seems to override everything else.
The one person that has affected me the most (aside from close family, because it can't really be compared) is someone whose south node exactly conjuncts my ascendant (few minutes apart). My moon-mercury conjunction is on his north node. And his venus pluto(and moon maybe bu I don't have his birth time) square my nodes. The luminaries inter aspects (sun,moon,venus,mercury and mars) wouldn't explain any of what I've felt because there is only a sun-sun square and a mercury-mercury/moon square. Looking at the draconic chart was even more telling.

But overall it would make sense that the nodes in themselves represent a lot. After all they represent what you've learned and what you have left to learn. And life is about learning right? Past lives aside, the nodes by signs, house and aspects represent what your purpose is, where your greatest challenges stand. I don't see it as the purpose you have to accomplish but more as what you have to master. We're not really aware of it, less than saturn's lessons for example, because it is less conscious, which I guess is why the nodes are considered as the soul purpose axis. So then it would make sense that when there are nodes contact in synastry, they would be felt very strongly. To me, this also explains why the draconic chart (which is a nodal chart) is so important

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posted October 28, 2012 07:53 AM            

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My Moon conjunct his SN by 1 degree
His Pluto square my nodal axis (and ASC and neptune)
His Chiron and ASC square my nodal axis.

He is still coming into my dreams. After 22 ******* years!
I want him to stay out of there, but just doesn`t sem to happen.

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posted October 28, 2012 11:48 AM            

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My Moon conjunct his SN by 1 degree
His Pluto square my nodal axis (and ASC and neptune)
His Chiron and ASC square my nodal axis.

He is still coming into my dreams. After 22 ******* years!
I want him to stay out of there, but just doesn`t sem to happen.

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Oh, you just ruined my hopes of forgetting Him. :/

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