posted November 05, 2012 02:28 AM            

My friend has Venus at 15 Leo and her Moon/Pluto conjunction at 15 Scorpio both squaring her Venus.

She has no other aspects to her Venus. Would this mean that love will be highly emotional and stressed? Or is she learning to love without controlling her partner? This has me stumped.

Any interpretive help please?

posted November 05, 2012 07:19 PM            

It's impossible to say w/o the whole chart, but it can show difficulty in relationships. She may attract men that are abusive and/or manipulative or she may be that way herself. With the moon/Pluto she will definitely have issues with intense emotional situations and control and power issues,

But again, the whole chart needs to be taken into account. If she channels it right she an be very creative and help others with these issues.

It could all mean many other things that aren't so negative.

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Originally posted by Blanky:
Why is 15 degrees Leo considered such a negative degree?

My friend has Venus at 15 Leo and her Moon/Pluto conjunction at 15 Scorpio both squaring her Venus.

She has no other aspects to her Venus. Would this mean that love will be highly emotional and stressed? Or is she learning to love without controlling her partner? This has me stumped.

Any interpretive help please?

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posted November 05, 2012 07:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Lily:
I agree with all but 4 cancer, 5 Taurus, and 17 libra. Not sure where he got those as they're not bad fixed stars, so maybe he's pulling from a different source.

And I wouldn't call them 'dangerous' per se, but possibly unfortunate.

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He wasn't talking about fixed stars - he was speaking on the Critical Degrees specifically.

Truth be told though, if one takes enough time to do it, pretty much everybody has some kind of placement on a "bad", "spooky", or "evil" degree/fixed star/whatever. There's just that many astrological bodies or concepts out there with a negative meaning attached to them that it's not that hard to trip over them. Hell, I've read some blood-curdling posts about Algol - is every Taurus sun, doomed, or is every Taurus sun a new Hitler?

posted November 05, 2012 08:26 PM            

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
He wasn't talking about fixed stars - he was speaking on the Critical Degrees specifically.

Truth be told though, if one takes enough time to do it, pretty much everybody has some kind of placement on a "bad", "spooky", or "evil" degree/fixed star/whatever. There's just that many astrological bodies or concepts out there with a negative meaning attached to them that it's not that hard to trip over them. Hell, I've read some blood-curdling posts about Algol - is every Taurus sun, doomed, or is every Taurus sun a new Hitler?

...Exactly. At the end of the day you've gotta take some astrological things with a heavy grain of salt.

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They aren't critical degrees. The critical degrees are 0 libra, Aries, Capricorn and cancer, 13 and 26 degrees of those signs, 29 degree of any sign.

Oh please, I could say the same about the asteroids or Pluto aspects. At the end of the day, it's the entire chart. I've been able to read a chart and know someone was murdered without anyone telling me -- not bc of only fixed stars, though they helped me come to my conclusion, but because of the natal chart and transits. If you seriously believe what you wrote, then Why are
You posting on an astrology forum, or even interested in astrology? Because what you said could easily be said about any aspect or sign in natal or Synastry. Either you believe astrology is accurate and that things can be told by the natal map or you dont. Astrologers all have different tools at their disposal, and for me, the fixed stars are very accurate. but I don't solely rely on the fixed stars to read a chart. I use them to help me clarify situations that I first see in the other planets.

Not everyone with a planet on Algol will be a murderer, but they'll either witness extreme violence or some type of abuse, or it will be a part of them and their expression in some way, maybe sports or artistic endeavors. The problem with the fixed stars is that people only think it's MURDERED...MURDERER! Most people don't understand how the fixed stars work and use them irresponsibly. it takes years of research and a very strong grasp of basic astrology to base it on in order to use them responsibly.

And I'm at a point where if someone asked a specific question, I'll often know what aspect they have in their chart and/or which transits they're specifically having thatt are indicative of that before I even see the chart. So astrology is very accurate.

posted November 05, 2012 08:49 PM            

What if composite sun/ Merc /sn is conjunct aghol in
H12， and opps scoripo mars/nn in h6..
Would u consider this dangerous?

posted November 05, 2012 10:21 PM            

Im not violent...

you know ur self, u know if this has an
effect on u...

posted November 05, 2012 10:33 PM            

Lioness,

You're misinterpreting it. It doesn't mean you'll be violent. People always say, well I'm not violent etc. it can mean other things which is why most people shouldn't play around with the fixed stars because they don't understand them.

I don't know what your traumatic experiences were but they may be what is being played out with that degree.

What was your relationship like with your mom? Probably not great with that degree on moon. Or you have very intense and excessively strained relationships with women with lots oslo animosity. Could be emotional or physical abuse, but more likely emotional bc of moon.

You may have had an emotionally abusive relationship with a men or men. Men may project their violence onto you or maybe you attract mentally unstable men to you, stalking is a possibility. could be alcoholic partner.

Sibling relations could've been strained or you may have lost a sibling or child.

That's an example of how it's not always you.

This, of course, is not an in depth analysis since I haven't seen your chart, so I don't know how it plays out for you, but I wanted to illustrate how it isn't exactly you are violent and show how it can show up in other ways. And I haven't even scratched the surface bc it takes many other forms, some very good, sometimes good and bad at the same time. It's very complicated.

posted November 05, 2012 11:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Lily:
You're welcome, blanky.

Lioness,

You're misinterpreting it. It doesn't mean you'll be violent. People always say, well I'm not violent etc. it can mean other things which is why most people shouldn't play around with the fixed stars because they don't understand them.

I don't know what your traumatic experiences were but they may be what is being played out with that degree.

What was your relationship like with your mom? Probably not great with that degree on moon. Or you have very intense and excessively strained relationships with women with lots oslo animosity. Could be emotional or physical abuse, but more likely emotional bc of moon.

You may have had an emotionally abusive relationship with a men or men. Men may project their violence onto you or maybe you attract mentally unstable men to you, stalking is a possibility. could be alcoholic partner.

Sibling relations could've been strained or you may have lost a sibling or child.

That's an example of how it's not always you.

This, of course, is not an in depth analysis since I haven't seen your chart, so I don't know how it plays out for you, but I wanted to illustrate how it isn't exactly you are violent and show how it can show up in other ways. And I haven't even scratched the surface bc it takes many other forms, some very good, sometimes good and bad at the same time. It's very complicated.

Edit; I forgot to say with the sun that the father relationship could be like the one with the mom, so...highlighted in some way.

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Yes I never felt the degree was violent, the link that the op is referring to says that 15LEO is the most violent degree.
Which is why I said Im not violent.

Your analysis is much better of 15Leo.
(high five)

My mom is flaky at its best..
She moved me away from all family at the age of 6, and when I became an adult 19. She packed up and moved back.
I have been on my own since then.
I have a nearly no relationship with my mom.
She did visit this last summer (first time in 10 yrs)
She left after 3 days stating she couldnt stand it..

Im an only child. Never met my dad.. Moms chickened out and never told him..
I also have Saturn on the IC
But I found him when I was 25 and told him SURPRISE its a girl!! lol
So yeahhhh... probably not a good idea.

As for relationships with men, well I have Pluto (at critical 0lib) and Uranus in H7.
So Yeah...
Lots of struggles there.
dont ask... Long stories... I have had some hard lessons here.

I dont get along well with to many women.. i have mostly male friends..

I think my most traumatic times was when Pluto was in Scoprio squaring my Leo Stellium.

bte.. I also have Mars at 26 Leo.. Lol

posted November 06, 2012 02:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Lily:

They aren't critical degrees. The critical degrees are 0 libra, Aries, Capricorn and cancer, 13 and 26 degrees of those signs, 29 degree of any sign.

Oh please, I could say the same about the asteroids or Pluto aspects. At the end of the day, it's the entire chart. I've been able to read a chart and know someone was murdered without anyone telling me -- not bc of only fixed stars, though they helped me come to my conclusion, but because of the natal chart and transits. If you seriously believe what you wrote, then Why are
You posting on an astrology forum, or even interested in astrology? Because what you said could easily be said about any aspect or sign in natal or Synastry. Either you believe astrology is accurate and that things can be told by the natal map or you dont. Astrologers all have different tools at their disposal, and for me, the fixed stars are very accurate. but I don't solely rely on the fixed stars to read a chart. I use them to help me clarify situations that I first see in the other planets.

Not everyone with a planet on Algol will be a murderer, but they'll either witness extreme violence or some type of abuse, or it will be a part of them and their expression in some way, maybe sports or artistic endeavors. The problem with the fixed stars is that people only think it's MURDERED...MURDERER! Most people don't understand how the fixed stars work and use them irresponsibly. it takes years of research and a very strong grasp of basic astrology to base it on in order to use them responsibly.

And I'm at a point where if someone asked a specific question, I'll often know what aspect they have in their chart and/or which transits they're specifically having thatt are indicative of that before I even see the chart. So astrology is very accurate.

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You could say the same about other astrological aspects and you'd be correct - which is why I pointed that out myself in my last post here. It's really not hard to find astrological bodies that have a really bad meaning attached to them and like I said, if anyone was willing to put in the time to do that, they could find some horrible scary aspect like that in any chart, for that reason. When you take that fact into account, supposedly we're all doomed and cursed...but why is it that most people live pretty okay lives and don't get their heads lopped off, or dismembered or any of the other really horrible predictions those placements indicate?

Learning to exercise common sense and not take every one of those meanings literally isn't a lack of faith in astrology, it's just common sense. Algol also means beheadings, loss of the head - does every Taurus get their noggin lopped off?

This isn't about trying to rewrite astrology or change the rules. If I thought astrology was bunk I wouldn't be here, but even the most expert professional astrologer who has studied the subject for decades and decades will tell you that it's foolish to take all those fixed star meanings and critical degree meanings literally, and that all the early astrologers who came up with those meanings had a tendency to write their interpretations as dramatically and fatalistically as possible, and that nine times out of ten it doesn't reflect the reality of the individual with those placements, so you have to exercise a certain amount of reason when you approach that aspect of astrology.

And to some extent, in your subsequent posts in this thread you really attributed everything but the kitchen sink to these stars even when it doesn't apply. Issues with siblings would be a third house or Mercury-based thing, and so would have nothing to do with the sun being on any critical degree or "malevolent" fixed star either.

posted November 06, 2012 03:26 PM            

She is working on anger issues with Sun square Mars.

Could someone interpretate this aspect please? I would really appreciate it. And thank you for all the information. I can't help but learn here at lindaland.

posted November 06, 2012 04:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Yes I never felt the degree was violent, the link that the op is referring to says that 15LEO is the most violent degree.
Which is why I said Im not violent.

Your analysis is much better of 15Leo.
(high five)

My mom is flaky at its best..
She moved me away from all family at the age of 6, and when I became an adult 19. She packed up and moved back.
I have been on my own since then.
I have a nearly no relationship with my mom.
She did visit this last summer (first time in 10 yrs)
She left after 3 days stating she couldnt stand it..

Im an only child. Never met my dad.. Moms chickened out and never told him..
I also have Saturn on the IC
But I found him when I was 25 and told him SURPRISE its a girl!! lol
So yeahhhh... probably not a good idea.

As for relationships with men, well I have Pluto (at critical 0lib) and Uranus in H7.
So Yeah...
Lots of struggles there.
dont ask... Long stories... I have had some hard lessons here.

I dont get along well with to many women.. i have mostly male friends..

I think my most traumatic times was when Pluto was in Scoprio squaring my Leo Stellium.

bte.. I also have Mars at 26 Leo.. Lol

I do have a nice Saturn sextiles to my Leo so at least Im stable and grounded.

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*high five back*

All you said makes sense with the planets and degrees.

I also have a critical pluto and its in the 5th house! I had awful times when pluto went over my stellium too. One more planet and I'm done for awhile. Can't wait.

posted November 06, 2012 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
You could say the same about other astrological aspects and you'd be correct - which is why I pointed that out myself in my last post here. It's really not hard to find astrological bodies that have a really bad meaning attached to them and like I said, if anyone was willing to put in the time to do that, they could find some horrible scary aspect like that in any chart, for that reason. When you take that fact into account, supposedly we're all doomed and cursed...but why is it that most people live pretty okay lives and don't get their heads lopped off, or dismembered or any of the other really horrible predictions those placements indicate?

Learning to exercise common sense and not take every one of those meanings literally isn't a lack of faith in astrology, it's just common sense. Algol also means beheadings, loss of the head - does every Taurus get their noggin lopped off?

This isn't about trying to rewrite astrology or change the rules. If I thought astrology was bunk I wouldn't be here, but even the most expert professional astrologer who has studied the subject for decades and decades will tell you that it's foolish to take all those fixed star meanings and critical degree meanings literally, and that all the early astrologers who came up with those meanings had a tendency to write their interpretations as dramatically and fatalistically as possible, and that nine times out of ten it doesn't reflect the reality of the individual with those placements, so you have to exercise a certain amount of reason when you approach that aspect of astrology.

And to some extent, in your subsequent posts in this thread you really attributed everything but the kitchen sink to these stars even when it doesn't apply. Issues with siblings would be a third house or Mercury-based thing, and so would have nothing to do with the sun being on any critical degree or "malevolent" fixed star either.

As far as the rest of what you've said, absolutely, there's astrologers out there that can see things like death in a chart; but those astrologers, are extremely rare and have studied charts longer than either you and I have even been on this planet.

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I said it doesn't always mean what it's literally saying. I think I even demonstrated that with lioness.

I was referring to her mercury on that degree warding siblings. Did you miss that? I also gave very basic meanings because I didn't see the chart. I also don't appreciate you telling me how to do astrology, thank you very much.

I have seen death and known other things like occupation or what was going on in someone's life. So I must be one of those 'rare' astrologers.

posted November 06, 2012 08:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Lily:

*high five back*

All you said makes sense with the planets and degrees.

I also have a critical pluto and its in the 5th house! I had awful times when pluto went over my stellium too. One more planet and I'm done for awhile. Can't wait.

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Im just dreading when Pluto enters in Aqua and opps all my 4 Leo Planets...

posted November 06, 2012 08:10 PM            

Is 15Lib a critical degree?? Going by memory.
I think it is..

NN at 26Cap00.. Exactly 26 Critical degree

25 Leo is also another "said" critical degree.

Also isnt 13 of the mutable signs critical??

Ohh man...

Looking at my chart I have mostly easy aspects.
My life has been any thing but easy.

posted November 07, 2012 09:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Lily:
I said it doesn't always mean what it's literally saying. I think I even demonstrated that with lioness.

I was referring to her mercury on that degree warding siblings. Did you miss that? I also gave very basic meanings because I didn't see the chart. I also don't appreciate you telling me how to do astrology, thank you very much.

I have seen death and known other things like occupation or what was going on in someone's life. So I must be one of those 'rare' astrologers.

Seriously, I can see you just want to fight about this and I'm not interested in that. I believe fixed stars are accurate. If you don't, that's fine, but I don't appreciate you attacking me for my belief of them. Theres plenty of things used and discussed here that i dont subscribe to, but i just let people discuss them without starting a fight and telling them how wrong i think they are. I seriously don't need this, and I don't need to explain every fixed star and how they're interpreted to someone who only wants to fight. You need to get over yourself. I'm so out of here.

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You want me to be honest with you? I already know I'm amazing, I don't need to use some internet p*ssing contest to prove to myself what I already know. I don't need to use you for an argument either, because if I wanted that I have an entire group of people who would gladly supply that to me and are a lot better at it than you.

This is about the astrology, period. It's a subject I love but it's being compromised because of all the incorrect info online. Astrology is a subject that has a shaky reputation among the general public anyway, and all the inaccuracies all over the net just make that worse and it angers me. So absolutely, whenever I see someone posting something that I know is wrong, I'm going to say something about it.

Now, you may think you can pinpoint death in a chart, but no offense...if you don't even have a proper grasp of the basics (and you clearly don't, since you attributed sibling issues to a luminary that has absolutely nothing to do with brothers and sisters), then you're way in over your head and trying to do something you just don't have the knowledge to do yet. And again, I don't say this out of malice so much as a desire to make sure the accuracy and legitimacy of astrology stays intact, and to a certain extent out of a desire to help and protect you, because you need it. You're at that point every newbie to astrology hits, where they think they know everything and have the entire art figured out, and trust me - you don't. You're dramatically overestimating your current level of ability, and if you go into a group of real astrologers and make the claims you are now, it's not going to go pretty for you and you'll realize you wound up in the deep end of the pool when you can barely doggy-paddle. If anything you should be thanking me for correcting you and warning you, because those folks wouldn't be half as patient (or kind) with this level of misinformation and arrogance, and would correct you in a way much more brutal than I did.