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Topic: Neptune in synastry : is it always a sign of lies and deception?
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its_aqua
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posted November 11, 2012 08:14 AM
  
Hey guys!My mother who is an astrology fan, and reads books and magazines as a hobby, hates Neptune. What I mean, whenever neptune is involved in a synastry I show to her, she insists that even in good aspects, the nature of this planet doesn't bring anything particular good, but just creates illusions. Specifically, every aspect Neptune forms with Sun, Moon, Mercury or Venus is interpreted by my mother as that they other person will deceive you, or lie to you, or try to trick you. Is she right, or she is over-reacting??? She has passed this belief to me, and I'm extra cautious with everyone that has his neptune in any aspect of my pesonal planets! IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted November 11, 2012 08:25 AM
If its bad aspected yes.IP: Logged |
its_aqua
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posted November 11, 2012 08:46 AM
I agree about the bad aspects, but my mother says that sometimes even conjunctions who are considered good asects, depend on the nature of the planet, meaning that to her Sun conjunct Neptune or Sun opposite to Neptune, is almost the same thing. Is this true?IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted November 11, 2012 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by its_aqua:
I agree about the bad aspects, but my mother says that sometimes even conjunctions who are considered good asects, depend on the nature of the planet, meaning that to her Sun conjunct Neptune or Sun opposite to Neptune, is almost the same thing. Is this true?
If your mother is an astrology fan she should know that conjunctions are neither good or bad. Are neutral. IP: Logged |
its_aqua
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posted November 11, 2012 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
If your mother is an astrology fan she should know that conjunctions are neither good or bad. Are neutral.
She really is, but she's not very objective when interpreting stuff, she's too biased by her own experiences with other people who had a synastry with similar aspects. :/ So that's why I asked  IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted November 11, 2012 09:37 AM
No, it`s not always a sign of lies and deception.Though the square and opposition definitely are tricky aspects and can indicate that. The greater danger with Neptune squares and opposition is selfdelusion though. The conjunction (if nicely aspected), sextile and trine can be very soft and smooth though. Still wearing some rosecoloured glasses, but it can feel quite magical and romantic. And of course spiritual. IP: Logged |
its_aqua
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posted November 11, 2012 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No, it`s not always a sign of lies and deception.Though the square and opposition definitely are tricky aspects and can indicate that. The greater danger with Neptune squares and opposition is selfdelusion though. The conjunction (if nicely aspected), sextile and trine can be very soft and smooth though. Still wearing some rosecoloured glasses, but it can feel quite magical and romantic. And of course spiritual.
Thanks so much for your reply! How would you interpet a Neptune square Mercure and a Neptune square moon in synastry?? IP: Logged |
Sorcha
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posted November 11, 2012 04:45 PM
Neptune square Moon or Mercury are ones I'd want to be aware of in terms of both emotions and communication. I would make sure that you getting to the root of the truth. This is where things can get tricky with Neptune because sometimes Person A can tell Person B what they want to hear as opposed to what is really true.Or Person B will interpret things incorrectly or hear what they want to hear and feel what they want to feel. Sometimes it's as innocent as that - no malice, per se, just illusions and delusions created by the self. Or it can be outright deceit. Squares with Neptune are the most difficult in my experience but others might find the opposition more challenging. It pays to be aware, that's all. Don't get lost in a dreamy fog and make sure to see the person as they really are, not who you want them to be. Similarly, present yourself honestly. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted November 11, 2012 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by Sorcha:
will interpret things incorrectly or hear what they want to hear
I know you called this for synastry but it holds true in the natal, of course it depends on what sign the Moon or Mercury is in, example Pisces Moon/Merc would emphasize this esp in hard aspect. Confidence is an issue here at the very least. To the OP, Synastry-wise it's always best to look at natals first, how is Neptune working, what does it disposit, where is it placed and what house(s) does it rule since it's not really the case that being around some individual automatically turns one into a thieving deceptive person. The issue with Neptune is also seeking to define itself as it's lost in this sense so it might hook onto another, then issues of co-dependency and seeing another as mythic and/or untouchable take center stage. IP: Logged |
ail221
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posted November 11, 2012 05:42 PM
Its a two way street though, if your natal chart has neptune aspecting certain planets you may be more susceptible to illusions, deceptions and falling for someone who may not be right for you.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted November 11, 2012 05:48 PM
I agree, and that would indicate self-deception from the start. IP: Logged |
blugrey
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posted November 11, 2012 06:18 PM
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blugrey
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posted November 11, 2012 06:24 PM
For me, it more often creates misunderstandings - poor communication that needs extra effort. Or just simply confusion, complacency, not knowing where the end goal lies. Unsure. It could just as easily bring a FEELING of mistrust that might not be real, but the feeling corrupts whatever truth a partner might say. I find it's less often real deception or purposeful deception like cheating or something. Or it could come in the form of escapism rather than facing problems dead on and living in a fantasy rather than reality. Over idealization followed by reality and then disillusionment or disappointment. But I think Neptune is not always bad, when well aspected. But it will always make things hard to reach. Still, not a terrible planet if you put in extra effort to get past whatever negative aspects are there. I have my Neptune conjunct my partner's Moon. I can read him pretty much like a book when it comes to his moods, the motivations behind his actions, etc. It's interesting on my side. But he finds that being with me makes him less focused on the things he has to take of. It's an otherworldly feeling for him. So we do need space, but that's a terrible thing for us. We both have Venus/Neptune in hard aspect, so we are both cautious since we both tend to over idealize partners. And we can both try to avoid something rather than facing it on, so we have to sit down and actually talk about it so that whatever misunderstanding gets work out! We have to constantly make sure we are focused on who the other person really is rather than what we want to fill in with our own fantasies. It's more work that way, but doesn't mean it's doomed.
It all depends on the chart!
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Sorcha
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posted November 11, 2012 06:25 PM
I agree that in my experiences it has usually been related (synastry-wise) to deception without malice. And yes it does work both ways. You could take Person A and B from my example and switch them around for sure because, like Lonake said, the natal always plays in to it. Still, even if you were to disregard the natals, I think a square from Neptune is going to create some type of challenge, even if it's a bit of confusion concerning boundaries. It doesn't mean you can't work through them of course, just that it takes (IMO) some perspective and self awareness to do so by both people involved. ETA: Just saw your post blugrey and that's pretty much it. It's good that you can both sit and communicate about it because to me, that's really the key. That's true for all squares, but certainly for a Neptune square it's a must! IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted November 11, 2012 06:35 PM
Pisces sun: Neptune in the 12th, wide trine to my Sun in the 4th.Recently former bfriend close conj of Mars and Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th which closely conj my Scorpio asc. One word, Delusional relationship. Other words, foggy, uncertain, always feeling off kilter. He is a very Virgo, and all of his earth and my water (even though I am terribly Aquarian as well) put me in quite a quagmire, that I found difficult to get out, likened to quicksand, slowly draggin me down~ IP: Logged |
Mandy pie
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posted November 12, 2012 01:56 AM
Since Neptune is generational, there are some people who in synastry will have a hard aspect to everyone within a certain generation. I know someone who is taken completely by a "friend" who lies to him constantly. Even after it's proven to him that she lied, he makes excuses for her that she didn't "mean" to. Which is utterly ridiculous. She is 10 years younger than him which makes his venus opposite her neptune.It's not just the fact that Neptune tends to lie to the other person... but it's primarily the fact that the other person is very likely to BELIEVE in neptune. And that's where the harm lies. Even when it's proven to the planet person that they were lied to... they still refuse to accept that they were lied to "on purpose" or with malice. Even when it's obvious that they were. Basically the planet person believes in the neptune person no matter what... Even when they are caught lying the planet person doesn't think it's Neptune's fault or feels it wasn't done intentionally. Hence Neptune person doesn't suffer consequences for lying to the planet person. In some cases that may indeed be the case. This causes a ping pong effect. As neptune sees how easy it is to get away with a lie with the other person, they continue to lie because they see they can get away with it without consequences. When your venus is opposite or square someone's neptune it is always a good idea to ask others what they think about that person's actions towards you. They are likely to have better judgement. Positive aspects: I don't know if positive aspects to neptune do the same thing. Perhaps if it aspects too many planets then yes. Someone I know has neptune trine 4 of my planets and he wasn't very honest with me...(and I wasn't very honest with myself either when it came to him) but that is just one example. I would be interested in what others have to say about positive aspects. IP: Logged |
curiouswoman
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posted November 12, 2012 02:29 AM
How about with sun conjunct neptune in synastry and composite.IP: Logged |
its_aqua
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posted November 12, 2012 06:34 AM
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Originally posted by blugrey:
For me, it more often creates misunderstandings - poor communication that needs extra effort. Or just simply confusion, complacency, not knowing where the end goal lies. Unsure. It could just as easily bring a FEELING of mistrust that might not be real, but the feeling corrupts whatever truth a partner might say. I find it's less often real deception or purposeful deception like cheating or something.
I feel like I'm trapped, beacuse whenever I see that Neptune is involved in a synastry, I begin to over-analyse behaviours so that I don't get tricked, but then again, I become so biased and cautious that I constantly think the other person is lying to me.  quote:
Originally posted by Mandy pie:
It's not just the fact that Neptune tends to lie to the other person... but it's primarily the fact that the other person is very likely to BELIEVE in neptune. And that's where the harm lies. Even when it's proven to the planet person that they were lied to... they still refuse to accept that they were lied to "on purpose" or with malice. Even when it's obvious that they were. Basically the planet person believes in the neptune person no matter what... Even when they are caught lying the planet person doesn't think it's Neptune's fault or feels it wasn't done intentionally. Hence Neptune person doesn't suffer consequences for lying to the planet person. In some cases that may indeed be the case. This causes a ping pong effect. As neptune sees how easy it is to get away with a lie with the other person, they continue to lie because they see they can get away with it without consequences.When your venus is opposite or square someone's neptune it is always a good idea to ask others what they think about that person's actions towards you. They are likely to have better judgement. Positive aspects: I don't know if positive aspects to neptune do the same thing. Perhaps if it aspects too many planets then yes. Someone I know has neptune trine 4 of my planets and he wasn't very honest with me...(and I wasn't very honest with myself either when it came to him) but that is just one example. I would be interested in what others have to say about positive aspects.
I see. That's the problem with myself. When I see that Neptune is involved I dont trust at all the other person and question his actions the whole time.
Here are all the Neptune aspects with the guy I have a casual relationship right now, Any insight??
His Neptune conjunct my Mercury(in Capricorn)
His Neptune quincunx my Jupiter
His Neptune conjunctt my Uranus My Neptune opposite his Mercury
My Neptune quincunx his Venus
My Neptune sextile his Pluto Any ideas guys???? Should I be careful with him or not? And since my Neptune too makes aspects with his planet, how does he probably perceives me? IP: Logged |
Got Gemini??
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posted November 12, 2012 08:32 AM
Neptune conjunct, sextile, or trine Venus is a positive experience unless those planets are negatively aspected by other planets.------------------
Gemini Sun
Libra Moon
Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus
Virgo Mars
Virgo Asc And yes, I'm a guy! IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted November 12, 2012 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by its_aqua:
Thanks so much for your reply! How would you interpet a Neptune square Mercure and a Neptune square moon in synastry??
I agree with sorcha, Bluegrey and Lonake, and again want to stress that it is sometimes not a case of active and deliberate deception but more so of only hearing what one wants to hear, or unclear communication and confusion.
Neptune-square-Moon I`ve experienced myself, I totally deluded myself about the true nature of the emotional connection (I was Moon), and there was a feeling of total emotional abandonment after the illusion of total emotional merging had faded.
to get dis-illusioned, you need to build illusions first.
But I am not saying it is for everyone the same.
For example I have seen Moon-square-Neptune in composites quite often in absolutely committed, beautiful relationships, with a bit too much idealization and very high expectations maybe.
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PhoenixFire
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posted November 12, 2012 12:45 PM
Has anyone experienced Moon sq Neptune, as being the Neptune? Or Mars conj Neprune? I have this w a close friend, he is Neptune in both. I don't feel idealization from my end, and wonder how Neptune feels? The person also has Mars ruled by Neptune, would this further aggregavate any idealization ?IP: Logged |
lalalinda
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posted November 12, 2012 04:44 PM
Hello its_aqua! Welcome to LL  ------------------
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its_aqua
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posted November 12, 2012 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Hello its_aqua! Welcome to LL
Hey!! Thanks so much!! I'm so glad that I finally registered cause I was a big fan of the site,a long time ago ))
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StacyLewis
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posted November 12, 2012 06:43 PM
I think the problem is the general anti-Neptune sentiment in the astrological community for about the past five years. Every single planet has a positive side to it, but I've noticed a tendency for everyone to usually forget that where Neppy is concerned and describe it as a malefic when it isn't, or focus solely on the possible negative manifestations of the planet; even when the specific aspect being discussed is either neutral (a conjunction) or postive (a trine).Again - Neptune is the higher octave of Venus, and represents love in its highest, purest form - along with dreams, music, creativity, and that selflessness associated with Pisces. So, in short? No, unless the aspects are hard ones, Neptune does not always mean deception, either in synastry, composite, or a natal. When you see comments otherwise, that's based more in the current trend towards bias, than in any astrologically-correct reality. IP: Logged |
greatquincunx
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posted November 12, 2012 07:58 PM
Now, what if the Neptune is negative in synastry but is positive in composite? Why does that happen in composites?  aspects doing turnarounds in composites.. IP: Logged |
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