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Faith
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posted November 12, 2012 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both the sun and moon are transiting my Scorpio NN today.

I've been thinking about how many famous Scorpios are single or, if they are in relationships, still look lonely or preoccupied somehow.

They say it's lonely at the top...Scorpio goes the deepest so I'm thinking it's also lonely at the bottom?

My question is, as I think about my north node, do I just assume that an increasing feeling of isolation is a part of it?

Looking for opinions. I've never connected that deeply with a Scorpio before, so I don't really know what goes on in the abyss.

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posted November 12, 2012 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asclibrasagsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whoever is the loneliest it would be me right now! I have sag sun and asc libra and I will tell you that I do not know what it is but I have almost no friends. It is ridiculous. And moon is even in an outgoing part of my chart, in the 11th house!

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posted November 12, 2012 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes.

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posted November 12, 2012 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pisces and the 12th house are most related to isolation. Capricorn can be a bit of a loner too. I'm talking about these astro energies in their pure form, not specific people.

Scorpio, as a sign is actually related to private intimacy with a lover, more then being alone. Scorpio rules the 8th house of intimacy. They're private about their feelings until they are sure they will be accepted by the desired 'other', and then they slowly reveal themselves. They open themselves to few trusted loved ones, and are generally careful about who they trust. Scorpio has a tendency to become intensely focused on only certain 'special' people in their lives, while excluding most others from their personal inner world. But they are not loners unless other parts of the natal indicate this.

Scorpio is also a sign related to honest self-reflection. They are aware of their own 'darkness' and sometimes they may pause or withdraw to process these feelings, before returning to the ordinary mundane world. That's where the private brooding rep that Scorp's have comes into play. However, this doesn't make Scorpio a loner in the truest sense. They are keenly interested in the psychological dynamics involved in relationships and are very sensitive to the behavior of others toward them. If they withdraw, it's usually due to them needing to decide how to respond to a certain relationship situation, figure out how they feel about something or someone, and to examine their hurt or anger if something has gone wrong in a relationship. Even if they are withdrawing the focus is usually interpersonal in nature. The sign Scorpio in it's purity is not a loner. Although I'm sure their may be some Scorpio Sun's who are loners due to other things in their charts.

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posted November 12, 2012 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesKat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm i dont know but i think they enjoy their alone time at least the scorp in know, i never here them complain about being lonely

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posted November 12, 2012 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
I've been thinking about how many famous Scorpios are single or, if they are in relationships, still look lonely or preoccupied somehow

I haven't noticed it before, but yeah that does seem to fit...I can think of exceptions but the vast majority do come off as you say.

And if Scorps hold to their secretive nature enough (and then there's vengeful and manipulative that are also associated with the sign) then it would make sense.

But I know Scorpios in my personal life who aren't like that at all. It could be they're elevated (the "eagles"). One such Eagle didn't have many friends as she was so principled (and not the least bit hypocritical or self-righteous about it, though she did keep people who didn't live up to her standards at a distance) and rejecting of the superficial that she had very few friends (and her job examining corpses didn't help ) but she told me she preferred quality of friends to quantity.

My mom was (is?) definitely lonely, but she really just can't stand people so it's a no-win sitch for her (and for anyone who tries to be with her).

A best friend I used to have was a Scorpio (and a superficial one with a lot of growing up to do, but that's ok in my book as the last I knew her she was only 15) and I don't think she was lonely...but in retrospect I wonder, maybe loneliness had as much to do with her frequent drug use & casual sex as trying to forget her home life (and having an alcoholic father with almost no impulse control and into loose sex himself, so he was her example as well). That might also explain her superficiality as she was trying to be as popular as she could and thus trying to appeal to the masses or at least not be rejected by them (and she had friends but she always worried about losing them). But if she did then she kept that from me, but then Scorpios have a reputation for secrecy.

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posted November 12, 2012 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If so then Cancer is the second

==Actually, I take that back==

All three Water signs are very emotional and difficult , including myself, we are intense people...

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posted November 12, 2012 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgolotus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think, yes.
Maybe not completely alone but will be/feel lonely most of the time...

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posted November 13, 2012 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I usually get along well with Scorpios, and I think of course depending on other placements some appear more social and outgoing than others...

But overall I would say in relationships, they want all or nothing and won't settle for less. This can make them lonely because they'll turn down a number of people/opportunities if they don't feel they're getting everything they need down to the depths of their desires lol. But I admire the way they know what they want, and will keep looking until they find it even if that means being alone in the meantime. Scorpios may appear lonely or unstable since they're not afraid to show it when they're upset struggling, but for the most part they're aware of and accept their vulnerabilities which makes them very strong ultimately imo.

I think probably with NN in Scorpio, moving towards that may feel lonely because Taurus is all about security and comfort, while Scorpio is about embracing the intangible and sometimes darker elements in life, and facing them all internally. Since we're not born familiar or comfortable with the NN in this lifetime, it can be a battle to master those traits. But it's also your destiny so to speak to stand alone without the things that make you feel secure, and become comfortable using your own intuition and inner strength to stare down that abyss..

Anyway not sure why I wrote such a long response but that's just my opinion lol

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posted November 13, 2012 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I'd agree that Scorpio is very well the loneliest sign. I think it's a bit self-fulfilled...like, they can want or need people as much as they want, as far as they're concerned. I dunno it's kinda hard to explain but what they work towards, they usually get, simple as that.

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posted November 13, 2012 03:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for meyray     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpioís loneliness can come from the fact that they crave intimacy with their significant others to an intense even paramount degree. A lot of people canít fulfill that so Scorpio may feel misunderstood, alone and even betrayed which will cause them to withdraw and be suspicious about attempting a new relationship of any sort be it friendship or love. Thereís no grey area with Scorpio. I can tell from personal experience. My Sun, Moon, Venus, Jupiter, Pluto and North Node are all in Scorpio.

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posted November 13, 2012 04:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux RÍve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by meyray:
Scorpioís loneliness can come from the fact that they crave intimacy with their significant others to an intense even paramount degree. A lot of people canít fulfill that so Scorpio may feel misunderstood, alone and even betrayed which will cause them to withdraw and be suspicious about attempting a new relationship of any sort be it friendship or love. Thereís no grey area with Scorpio. I can tell from personal experience. My Sun, Moon, Venus, Jupiter, Pluto and North Node are all in Scorpio.

That's a lot of Scorpio.

And I would have to agree with you.
Scorpio Suns may not be that intense but if the chart is loaded with Scorpio/Pluto then chances are that's how they'll feel.
I know I do. It sometimes makes me wonder if I'm crazy.

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posted November 13, 2012 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 13, 2012 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lotis White:


Scorpio is also a sign related to honest self-reflection. They are aware of their own 'darkness' and sometimes they may pause or withdraw to process these feelings, before returning to the ordinary mundane world. That's where the private brooding rep that Scorp's have comes into play. However, this doesn't make Scorpio a loner in the truest sense. They are keenly interested in the psychological dynamics involved in relationships and are very sensitive to the behavior of others toward them. If they withdraw, it's usually due to them needing to decide how to respond to a certain relationship situation, figure out how they feel about something or someone, and to examine their hurt or anger if something has gone wrong in a relationship. Even if they are withdrawing the focus is usually interpersonal in nature. The sign Scorpio in it's purity is not a loner. Although I'm sure their may be some Scorpio Sun's who are loners due to other things in their charts.


Pisces sun, Neptune in Scorpio in the 12th, Scorpio rising....

This is me totally.

But, yes Faith, I would agree~

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posted November 13, 2012 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the replies!

@Lotis White: All of that makes sense and does help clear things up for me.

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Even if they are withdrawing the focus is usually interpersonal in nature. The sign Scorpio in it's purity is not a loner.

This is actually what I've been feeling lately, that I'm hungry for interaction at a certain level, and it's getting distracting. So even though I have lots of friends and enjoy their company, something is lonely inside, it's not hitting the spot enough yet.

It only occurred to me that it might be Scorpio-based when I was trying to explain it to my long-time best friend (who has no Scorpio planets) and she couldn't relate to what I was getting at.

@PixieJane:

Thanks for reminding me of the eagles.

The Scorpios I know in person tend to have both quantity and quality of friends but still seem to have that lonely/brooding thing going on.

I had a fantastic Scorpio roommate in college who was funny, kind, and a good listener. We would stay up all night talking, but I still felt like she held back a lot. Not just with me but everyone.

And I now find myself becoming like that.

@FireMoon:

This is so insightful and true!

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I think probably with NN in Scorpio, moving towards that may feel lonely because Taurus is all about security and comfort, while Scorpio is about embracing the intangible and sometimes darker elements in life, and facing them all internally. Since we're not born familiar or comfortable with the NN in this lifetime, it can be a battle to master those traits. But it's also your destiny so to speak to stand alone without the things that make you feel secure, and become comfortable using your own intuition and inner strength to stare down that abyss..

Thank you!

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posted November 13, 2012 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux RÍve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yes, Lotis White, that's a great analysis. I think you're totally right. Scorpio folks can be lonely but secretely they wish for that special connection with someone/a few people. So they're usully in a quest for intimacy/(significant) relationships. And they can easily get frustrated by a lack of depth/intensity and feel lonely again. There's a balance to find there..

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posted November 13, 2012 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by meyray:
Scorpioís loneliness can come from the fact that they crave intimacy with their significant others to an intense even paramount degree. A lot of people canít fulfill that so Scorpio may feel misunderstood, alone and even betrayed which will cause them to withdraw and be suspicious about attempting a new relationship of any sort be it friendship or love. Thereís no grey area with Scorpio. I can tell from personal experience. My Sun, Moon, Venus, Jupiter, Pluto and North Node are all in Scorpio.

So much Scorpio!

I only have Uranus and NN in Scorpio (and an 8H moon), but I think I get what you mean. I don't know why everything has to be exactly just right before I feel like I can open up...but that's how it is. And still, it's not like I can just "settle," because I don't like the grey area either, I will always have that craving for more.

I think my dignity matters to me more than anything, and I am cautious about divulging more than I intended. Or if I just do it by accident, it annoys the hell out of me.

But I still HAVE to chance it sometimes, because I can't live in a bubble.

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posted November 13, 2012 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux RÍve:
Oh yes, Lotis White, that's a great analysis. I think you're totally right. Scorpio folks can be lonely but secretely they wish for that special connection with someone/a few people. So they're usully in a quest for intimacy/(significant) relationships. And they can easily get frustrated by a lack of depth/intensity and feel lonely again. There's a balance to find there..

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posted November 13, 2012 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpio Sun, Mars, and Pluto

Today I went to a restaurant by myself, and recieved a few stares. I guess people aren't use to seeing a young female eatting alone, at least where I'm from. Sometimes I go to the movies by myself too, especially if it's a new one I can't wait to see. Though I do like the companionship, I don't mind doing things by myself in the least
In fact, one thing I prefer to do alone is shop lol. Whenever I go to the mall with my friends it seems like one of them has other things to do, and I don't like holding people up. So going by myself I can take as long as I want without worrying if I'm wasting someone elses time.
Besides the occasional stares, it's fun to do certain activities alone

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posted November 13, 2012 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ I love that you're like that!

I like being alone, too...but I have to admit, even when I'm alone, my thoughts tend to wander toward other people.

"Hi my name is Faith and I have a codependent streak."

Trying to overcome it though!

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posted November 13, 2012 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libreo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Scorpio Sun, Mars, and Pluto

Today I went to a restaurant by myself, and recieved a few stares. I guess people aren't use to seeing a young female eatting alone, at least where I'm from. Sometimes I go to the movies by myself too, especially if it's a new one I can't wait to see. Though I do like the companionship, I don't mind doing things by myself in the least
In fact, one thing I prefer to do alone is shop lol. Whenever I go to the mall with my friends it seems like one of them has other things to do, and I don't like holding people up. So going by myself I can take as long as I want without worrying if I'm wasting someone elses time.
Besides the occasional stares, it's fun to do certain activities alone



You are JUST like me. I'm born on a Libra/Scorpio cusp, whether or not there's any such thing as a cusp I don't know. I also have Scorpio Mercury.
Today I left Facebook and have had my phone switched off all day. I am in love with a man whose Moon is in Taurus and Mercury in Cancer and he is suffocating me. He needs me to be on Facebook so he can keep an eye on me, and he calls/texts all day too, but when I am in his presence I cop so much flack for using my phone or Facebook. I'm going insane with it. So today for the first time he has gone to work and I am incontactable. I just need to be alone, I mean REALLY alone. I even cop it for being on this site so I have to erase my history everyday on my computer because he checks that too. "Who knows WHO I could be talking to on here? It could be like a dating site!" I have to take my phone into the bathroom with me because he checks it in my absence too, so this morning I created a PIN so you can't see anything unless you know the PIN. He is gonna hit the roof when he sees that. You know the movie Sleeping with the Enemy? That's me and him, except he would take a bullet for my children, which aren't his, and his good side, which is 50% of the time, is so worth it. But yeah, the Scorpio in me is feeling this.


Sorry. Had to vent.

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posted November 13, 2012 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome. I see my post got some positive reviews which is great! Thanks hippy chick, faith, and doux reve...

Personally I've got Sag rising and a Capricorn Sun, but my Moon is in Cancer in the 8th house (pretty deep waters), Pluto is conjunct my Sun/Moon midpoint, and my 3rd house ruler Uranus is in Scorpio (So I think a lot about Scorpionic things)... All of these served as my inspiration.

I can also really relate to what Moonfish said about loving her alone time. I actually hate shopping with others because we just end up waiting around for each other all day while each person looks at what they like. I'd rather just find what I need/like and leave. I also love eating out and seeing movies alone, and kind of wondering around in my own private dreamworld (I've got Mercury and Neptune in the 12th). I can enjoy social times too. Especially dining together at a restaurant, or at someone's house with home-cooked food, and having engrossing discussions. And I do like group entertainment viewing, because getting everybody's reviews can be fun. Still, there's no denying that I love, love my alone time and can't do without it. Time alone is like rejuvenation for me. I treasure it, and need plenty of it.

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posted November 14, 2012 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a loner who can be very sociable though. A matter of will and mood. Anyway I spend most of the time alone.

Virgo rising
Capricorn Sun
Libra Moon

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lots of earth+lots of air+Merc in Sag=sandstorm shooting arrows

So you better not mess up with me ;)

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posted November 15, 2012 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Leo or Aries is the loneliest sign, they just don't know it. It's tough to be the king.

=)

Hehe in all seriousness it could be any sign. I think Pisces (associated with institutionalization) and Virgo (associated with hermitage) are possibly best equipped for enduring loneliness.

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