posted November 23, 2012 09:27 PM            

they both have those "eyes" whether deep or penetrating.

A LOT of scorpios have mistaken me for one of them. A LOT also agree that they think Virgos act just like them.

posted November 23, 2012 09:46 PM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
Nah, both Virgo and Scorpio are problem childs. Virgo has a knack for depression and Scorpio is the worst for self destructive behaviours, and vice versa. I wouldn't say either of them inherited the "positive traits".

That isn't to say they're without potential and all that, though.

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posted November 23, 2012 09:57 PM            

It's fanciful~ but I wouldn't mind that association~ heh

--- For what it's worth~ I've been mistaken as a Scorpio before by astrology-interested friends/strangers. (ASC is my only VIR placement) But, with three planets in Scorpio , MAR/PLU tight conj, and sextile to everything in my stellium (SAG NEP/JUP, CAP MER), and everything that comes out of my mouth seems to take on a Scorpion filter (3H SCO), having a "stare" that's gotten me accused of witchcraft~~ yeah, no... I guess that might all be in the aspects. ^^

posted November 23, 2012 10:13 PM            

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I'd always thought Virgo was associated with Hestia more

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posted November 23, 2012 10:23 PM            

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Virgo is more ruled by Demeter/Ceres. In astrology, Ceres is finding your place and how you can useful in your environment or relationships.

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~thank you~

--- time to hit the books... study/study/study ~learn something new ^^

esp- when you start forgetting astro 101~ tehehe

posted November 23, 2012 10:27 PM            

Having said that, do I buy it? No. Sure, I believe that they got a lot of other things right where astrology is concerned, but I don't believe this is one of them, no one is correct 100 percent of the time.

My reasoning for thinking it's wrong, is simply because both signs, in their pure form, have *very* different energy to them. Virgo and Scorpio energy are absolutely nothing alike. Virgo is restrained and detail-oriented, and at worst, nit-picky and critical; Scorpio is about intensity and getting to the bottom of things, and the shadow side is vindictiveness, obsession, etc.

I'm willing to bet that all the Virgos who think they're Scorpionic, have Pluto highly-aspected or prominent in some way, and they're picking up on that and confusing it with the actual sign of Scorpio, or they have placements in other emotionally-driven water signs, or they have the planets ruling those signs figuring prominently in their chart in some way. So then they jump to conclusions and misinterpret that as "confirmation" that Virgo Libra and Scorpio are accurately categorized as one sign.

Also, you have to remember too that in the early days of astrology, people didn't know as much about what was in the sky as they do now, and plus they didn't have centuries of astrological research under their belt, so it makes total sense that things they thought were true then, turned out to be false. Just like people thought the Earth was flat and eventually found out that wasn't so as science evolved and progressed.

posted November 23, 2012 10:40 PM            

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Virgo is more ruled by Demeter/Ceres. In astrology, Ceres is finding your place and how you can useful in your environment or relationships.

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This isn't true.

People are debating in astrological circles about this - some do think Ceres should rule it, but that's a fringe theory and Virgo hasn't been re-assigned to Ceres.

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posted November 23, 2012 10:52 PM            

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I'm willing to bet that all the Virgos who think they're Scorpionic, have Pluto highly-aspected or prominent in some way, and they're picking up on that and confusing it with the actual sign of Scorpio, or they have placements in other emotionally-driven water signs, or they have the planets ruling those signs figuring prominently in their chart in some way. So then they jump to conclusions and misinterpret that as "confirmation" that Virgo Libra and Scorpio are accurately categorized as one sign.

Having memorable eyes doesn't necessarily mean anything either, because the planet Pluto itself can give that same effect. So can Neptune, actually.

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I can agree with those two statements. Maybe a lot of Scorpio's think I come across as a Scorpio because I have pluto in the 3rd house of communication (ruled by scorpio). also I am a Neptune dominant so I have deep memorizing large eyes.

posted November 23, 2012 10:56 PM            

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This isn't true.

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Did I say Virgo was ruled by Ceres? No, I said Virgo was more ruled by Ceres then Hestia. Maybe it was an error on my part and I should have said Virgo was closer to Ceres.

And, to hell with those debates, they'll get nowhere. There is no big crown person who will quell the debates and eventually say, "VIRGO IS RULED BY CERES" then everyone uses Ceres as Virgos ruler. Like, think for yourself! Either accept it as part of your practise or don't even chime in omfg.

posted November 23, 2012 11:02 PM            

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Did I say Virgo was ruled by Ceres? No, I said Virgo was more ruled by Ceres then Hestia. Maybe it was an error on my part and I should have said Virgo was closer to Ceres.

And, to hell with those debates, they'll get nowhere. There is no big crown person who will eventually say, "VIRGO IS RULED BY CERES." then everyone uses Ceres as Virgos ruler, like, think for yourself. Either accept it as part of your practise or don't even chime in omf!

Further more, using Scorpio as an example, Pluto is widely accepted, but then, so is Mars still. It's not like it can't be the same with Virgo, Ceres, and Mercury.

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No. People are discussing that. Some are saying they personally think it should be ruled by Ceres, but no one has come in and made that official. And yeah, somewhere along the way in astrology, someone or some body of astrologers, did assign the ruling planets to each sign which is how we got them in the first place.

posted November 23, 2012 11:14 PM            

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but no one has come in and made that official.

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Of course no one has! No one really can! The point I'm trying to make is it seems like you are waiting for it to become "official" before using it which I doubt will even ever happen, let alone in your life time. The point I'm attempting to get across is nothing can change unless you start with yourself.

This is frustrating because you don't even seem willing to try something new which makes my Aquarius Moon want to run to the hills.

posted November 23, 2012 11:17 PM            

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Redscorp caps really lol

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LOL no! Not like how you think, any ways. I was trying to make the voice sound authoritative or whatever lol!

Come away with me, ail! We'll be wanton mistresses of night together.

posted November 23, 2012 11:47 PM            

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LOL no! Not like how you think, any ways. I was trying to make the voice sound authoritative or whatever lol!

Come away with me, ail! We'll be wanton mistresses of night together.

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posted November 23, 2012 11:48 PM            

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Of course no one has! No one really can! The point I'm trying to make is it seems like you are waiting for it to become "official" before using it which I doubt will even ever happen, let alone in your life time. The point I'm attempting to get across is nothing can change unless you start with yourself.

This is frustrating because you don't even seem willing to try something new which makes my Aquarius Moon want to run to the hills.

With the Pluto-Mars thing, when Pluto was discovered, Mars moved over and Scorpio was "officially" ruled by both. Now, why can't the same happen with Virgo and Ceres? What's stopping Ceres from being an "official" ruler of Virgo? I'll tell you: closed-minded people like you.

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posted November 23, 2012 11:55 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnineMoth:
~ oh me too, hun~ was bitten by the history-bug for as long as I can remember~ but my disease has taken a toll on my memory (short term mostly but I can get a bit Alzheimer-ish at times), I've really begun to forget things lately, sorta puzzling my doctors. Oh, if I only had the chance~ I'd get back into school quick a cat can blink its eye!~

you have that talent with associating/recalling the essence of where our ancestors came from in their thinking/rationalizing/theorizing~ I love meeting with people who appreciate that side of our history... and, you know you can always tell.. if you have the chance you should pick it up as a career-option~ maybe in the future~ being gifted with eloquence, and I can just tell you are diligent with your studies, be it armchair enthusiast or not!~ you seem like you'd make an excellent teacher, or essayist of mythology/anthropology ~ <3 keep up the good work!~ and, thank you for always having such inspiring input~ (helping me remember those things I've lost~ and maybe others too... hehe)!~

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posted November 24, 2012 12:04 AM            

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Of course no one has! No one really can! The point I'm trying to make is it seems like you are waiting for it to become "official" before using it which I doubt will even ever happen, let alone in your life time. The point I'm attempting to get across is nothing can change unless you start with yourself.

This is frustrating because you don't even seem willing to try something new which makes my Aquarius Moon want to run to the hills.

With the Pluto-Mars thing, when Pluto was discovered, Mars moved over and Scorpio was "officially" ruled by both. Now, why can't the same happen with Virgo and Ceres? What's stopping Ceres from being an "official" ruler of Virgo? I'll tell you: closed-minded people like you.

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Why did you become interested in astrology in the first place?

Let me guess. It's because you noticed that it had a degree of truth and accuracy to it, right? How do you think those accurate results come about?

By following a certain, established system of rules,methods and calculations to get an end result. Sure, you can putz around and change things to whatever you like, but that means more often than not, you're going to get an incorrect answer. Your comment makes about as much sense as insisting 3 is 1 because you say so, then wondering why your cookie recipe came out wrong when you put in one cup of flour instead of the three the instructions told you to, because you thought following the directions was "close-minded".

You may not like the system as it is, because it may not tell you what you want to hear or personally make sense to you at your current level of knowledge, but it's a system that has proven itself over time, and that system, with its current rules, is what hooked you in the first place because it, more often than not, supplies the right answers.

The rules don't exist just because. They exist because they were someone - or several someones - over the centuries, sat down and did a lot of research and realized that when you follow these rules and calculations, you're more likely to get a correct answer. Sticking to those rules isn't dogmatic, it's just smart.

So yeah, somewhere along the line a person or a body of individuals did "officially" set up the current system of planet rulerships, because this system trickled down to us in the modern era, and it's a system that more often than not, works just fine, so no I'm not going to go with something that hasn't been time-tested and proven to be accurate, that would be foolish.

And if you have a problem with people disagreeing with you and are incapable of handling it without flying off the handle, then honestly an online forum is the last place for you. At some point, you're going to have to learn to grow up and learn to agree to disagree or accept a correction without taking it as an attack on your ego or your reputation.

posted November 24, 2012 12:59 AM            

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By following a certain, established system of rules,methods and calculations to get an end result...wondering why your cookie recipe came out wrong when you put in one cup of flour instead of the three the instructions told you to, because you thought following the directions was "close-minded".

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Whoa now, that's a completely different thing. That is a concrete, physical thing that can't be changed. Astrology however is far from concrete, it is only physical by using the planets, and it is not science - therefore, it's very changeable.

Any ways, you know who else sat down and followed the rules and only the rules? About 2000 years worth of people who worked and reworked Aristotle's teachings. By the time people got around to exploring new things and trying something different, humans were already set back 2000 years. So no, trying new things has no harm at all. If something didn't work, who would continue it? Don't take me for an idiot, please.

Now, I find you incredibly frustrating still for being so stagnant. Why do you not even entertain the idea? Think of it: Ceres in a chart represents how you give and take, how you try to be and when you feel useful. This involves your environment and other people. You know what that sounds like? Virgo's active functions. Virgos want to be useful and recognised for their achievements. I'm not denying Mercury.

Tell me some reasons why Ceres shouldn't even be considered as Virgo's ruler? Because someone else said so? As I said, think for yourself.

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ROFL Away to Neverland sure! But we need to make a pit stop in Wonderland.

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I JUST GOT MAJOR DEJA VU!!!!

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i agree with you on the being open minded for Virgo's ruler. Eventually it's going to have to get one...because Mercury is gemini's true ruler

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See, Gemini is about seeking stimulation, such as information, friends, hobbies...anything! Something to keep them occupied, to keep their mind occupied, and that's Mercury.