posted December 10, 2012 01:59 AM            

*I've known Scorps that have wanted to pin down my phrases, eek, makes me squirm *

If he's not ready to spit something out then he's. just. not. ready. and no amount of pushing will get it out of him, esp with all-that-friggin-pisces-energy-omg-that's-a-lot. Are any of them conj?
BUT, but but but, the one thing they (often ime) DO respond to is *humor* to let it loose. Don't make the situation rigid and demanding/pushy, just super-casual and joking around about the thing you were wondering about. We can be pried open with laughter/silliness. Ihssa secret don't let it get out. And don't ruin the mood after the fact by getting super serious because that will make him less likely to open up in that mood next time. Gotta keep some tricks up your sleeve (!)

posted December 10, 2012 09:41 AM            

This isn't only possible for a Fish, it's usual.

posted December 10, 2012 12:59 PM            

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Originally posted by mockingbird:
He loves you but is not sure if he's in love with you.

This isn't only possible for a Fish, it's usual.

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Haha! exactly, this drives me absolutely crazy just look at my signature I have just as much planets in Scorpio that he has in Pisces. Sometimes I wonder why the two signs are seen as "compatible" when they are so different like in this instance. I wish he would have just not said anything!

posted December 10, 2012 01:01 PM            

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Originally posted by earthypisces:
Where's his Venus?

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His venus is in Taurus so that also makes me think that he is super slow to make a commitment.

posted December 10, 2012 01:06 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Pisces can be vague when they're not ready to express themselves.

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Yeah, I think this is what it comes down to but honestly I wish he had not said anything. What happened is that I was ready to open the relationship (make it more casual) and he probably felt pressured and that confusing statement came out. I later told him that I felt manipulated because I really thought at the time he said "i love you" lol he apparently said "loving connection". I have previously been with 2 Geminis and this Pisces is the only one capable of having me question my sanity! We remember two different things.

posted December 10, 2012 01:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Debby4:
Well, he probably isn't sure you feel the same about him. Especially since you keep giving him crap. Us, Pisces, are sensitive folks most of the time. Be careful how you handle this situation.

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He is sensitive but all of his Pisces planets are in the 10th house of Capricorn, so he is surprisingly cool and level headed. But I would be curious to know how other Scorpios would feel in this scenario. I really felt insulted after I realized what was said and most importantly, didn't say. I want someone to loooove me and I do nothing halfway. So I told him that he should not have said anything and that he took away a special moment.

posted December 10, 2012 01:16 PM            

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Originally posted by butterflyxoxxo:
Yeah, I think this is what it comes down to but honestly I wish he had not said anything. What happened is that I was ready to open the relationship (make it more casual) and he probably felt pressured and that confusing statement came out. I later told him that I felt manipulated because I really thought at the time he said "i love you" lol he apparently said "loving connection". I have previously been with 2 Geminis and this Pisces is the only one capable of having me question my sanity! We remember two different things.

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You remember black/white, exactly what was said.

He remembers making a statement to express his feelings that wouldn't put him out there enough for you to hurt him since you were trying to "make it more casual." If you asked him to quote himself could he? Possibly. More likely he'd come up with something similar. And you "giving him crap" about the way he said it was all the affirmation he needed to NOT actually say "I love you."

posted December 10, 2012 01:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
You didn't write the exact context there but as a Pisces myself I guess he vibes with you on the intuitive/emotional level, feels like you get him to a certain extent. He cares for you and feels that it's reciprocated and that makes him feel safe and loved.

*I've known Scorps that have wanted to pin down my phrases, eek, makes me squirm *

If he's not ready to spit something out then he's. just. not. ready. and no amount of pushing will get it out of him, esp with all-that-friggin-pisces-energy-omg-that's-a-lot. Are any of them conj?
BUT, but but but, the one thing they (often ime) DO respond to is *humor* to let it loose. Don't make the situation rigid and demanding/pushy, just super-casual and joking around about the thing you were wondering about. We can be pried open with laughter/silliness. Ihssa secret don't let it get out. And don't ruin the mood after the fact by getting super serious because that will make him less likely to open up in that mood next time. Gotta keep some tricks up your sleeve (!)

But anyway. Hard to explain. It's like testing the waters -not so much your reaction- but how [b]he feels as a response to what he's saying, how his words to you affect his emotional reality. He's easing into it and feeling it out, is this the right course, etc., he might make it all up as he goes along.
Since he has so much Pisces look to the sign Neptune is in, if you can appeal to that sign's energy he might let you closer to what all's goin on in there [/B]

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This is what drives me crazy about Pisces. Why is it like pulling teeth to get to the bottom of things with you guys?! Why is it so hard to get a direct answer from you guys? I litterally picture him swimming away from my laser beam eyes lol. I think he thought saying "loving connection" would be better than saying nothing but he regrets it now (gave him crap). And I am sure they are conjunct because they are in the same 10H.

I have tried the humor approach (I am a Sag ASC) but the problem with that is I have no idea if he really means what he says, it could just be joking/playing around. Also, I do not think love is a laughing matter sorry if thats rigid . But there is some truth to your statement because we are at our best when we have had a few drinks or smoke a few hits (its legal in our state). Probably because I am a rigid/ overly serious person and he is very adaptable almost like a Gemini (I have dated 2 Geminis previously)

Great advice about Neptune his is in Scorpio and I think I appeal to it because I am a typical Scorpio (with some Pheonix qualities)

posted December 10, 2012 01:48 PM            

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Originally posted by LionFish:
You remember black/white, exactly what was said.

He remembers making a statement to express his feelings that wouldn't put him out there enough for you to hurt him since you were trying to "make it more casual." If you asked him to quote himself could he? Possibly. More likely he'd come up with something similar. And you "giving him crap" about the way he said it was all the affirmation he needed to NOT actually say "I love you."

I'd say he does/did love you, but under the circumstances he said it (trying to keep you from seeing other people) and your reaction to it, he changed his mind. And that vague statement allowed him to do so.

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Yeah I agree, its very difficult because you think after 10months you would be in love someone. But what he said backfired because it put us back a few months because his feelings were less than mine so I have been more withdrawn. But we are still planning on moving in together, which I have mixed feelings about (at this point its more about convenience)

Has anyone dealt with someone with so much Pisces or 12th house energy? We both have mercury in 12th so we talk circles around each other. We can spend hours talking without anything really being said.

posted December 10, 2012 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by butterflyxoxxo:
Yeah, I think this is what it comes down to but honestly I wish he had not said anything. What happened is that I was ready to open the relationship (make it more casual) and he probably felt pressured and that confusing statement came out. I later told him that I felt manipulated because I really thought at the time he said "i love you" lol he apparently said "loving connection". I have previously been with 2 Geminis and this Pisces is the only one capable of having me question my sanity! We remember two different things.

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posted December 10, 2012 02:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Londongirl8:
You've answered your own question - if you were ready to make the relationship 'more casual' why on earth would you then expect him to declare undying love for you - poor guy

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Haha this Pisces is anything but innocent and theres more to it let me explain. Whenever I show my feelings he gets freaked out so he is the one that plays games. I was more or less also playing games (offering to open the relationship) just to see his response. If he had more feelings I would trust him more because I feel the ball is in his court

posted December 10, 2012 11:46 PM            

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butterflyxoxxo: This is what drives me crazy about Pisces. Why is it like pulling teeth to get to the bottom of things with you guys?! Why is it so hard to get a direct answer from you guys?

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(!) Hahaha, yea I get ya, we can be exasperating.

Whattosay, whattosay....
I guess Pisces try to fig it all out and put it into context on the one hand, maybe on the other trying to keep his options open; Pisces is big on options, escape routes, possibilities, how things could work together now/in the future. Everything's subject to change so that's a big rub here whereas Scorp typically likes things 'set.' And here's the spot where unfortunately Pisces could cause Scorp to feel insecure. And it's sad in a way cos Pisces doesn't realize Scorp needs that touchstone, thrives on it romantically, so Scorp gets hurt. And Scorp doesn't realize Pisces needs that extra breathing room to feel able to commit, usually. Cos that breathing room looks an awful lot to Scorp like someone is packing up to leave and thinking of other partners already. Scorp partners ime like to be seen as #1. Then you typically have the Scorp walking a tightrope, balancing act, half in love and smitten with this catch, half ready to throw him out on his head and pushing him to get real cos otherwise what's the point. And then you usually have the thing about there being other potential partners waiting in the wings for a Scorp, or exes wanting to come back into the picture, so then the ego gets involved which is like, I could be having them but I want you, but for heaven's sake why aren't you here the way I want you to be. OK so I'm gonna say free advice here/something to think about: #1 have you had any talk about being exclusive. #2 is there any sort of schedule he can agree to re: seeing you/being a part of your life that would have him step out of his comfort zone and more importantly alleviate some of your worries/concerns re:his commitment to the relationship. Because there will have to be compromise from both sides to bridge the gap.

Hmm re:the meaning what he says when he's joking, what's the most constant refrain cos he's prob not joking around about that. Esp if his actions back it up, ha and even that can be hard to tell with a Pisces. Sorry, let me see..say it's something in the negative, there'll be some hesistation before Pisces acts on it in reality (not when joking around) that lets you into what they truly think. Or if it's something in the positive, watch his reaction when the issue comes up seriously next time around where he has the potential to 'act' or put some muscle behind those positive assertions.

posted December 11, 2012 12:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
(!) Hahaha, yea I get ya, we can be exasperating.

Whattosay, whattosay....
I guess Pisces try to fig it all out and put it into context on the one hand, maybe on the other trying to keep his options open; Pisces is big on options, escape routes, possibilities, how things could work together now/in the future. Everything's subject to change so that's a big rub here whereas Scorp typically likes things 'set.' And here's the spot where unfortunately Pisces could cause Scorp to feel insecure. And it's sad in a way cos Pisces doesn't realize Scorp needs that touchstone, thrives on it romantically, so Scorp gets hurt. And Scorp doesn't realize Pisces needs that extra breathing room to feel able to commit, usually. Cos that breathing room looks an awful lot to Scorp like someone is packing up to leave and thinking of other partners already. Scorp partners ime like to be seen as #1. Then you typically have the Scorp walking a tightrope, balancing act, half in love and smitten with this catch, half ready to throw him out on his head and pushing him to get real cos otherwise what's the point. And then you usually have the thing about there being other potential partners waiting in the wings for a Scorp, or exes wanting to come back into the picture, so then the ego gets involved which is like, I could be having them but I want you, but for heaven's sake why aren't you here the way I want you to be. OK so I'm gonna say free advice here/something to think about: #1 have you had any talk about being exclusive. #2 is there any sort of schedule he can agree to re: seeing you/being a part of your life that would have him step out of his comfort zone and more importantly alleviate some of your worries/concerns re:his commitment to the relationship. Because there will have to be compromise from both sides to bridge the gap.

Hmm re:the meaning what he says when he's joking, what's the most constant refrain cos he's prob not joking around about that. Esp if his actions back it up, ha and even that can be hard to tell with a Pisces. Sorry, let me see..say it's something in the negative, there'll be some hesistation before Pisces acts on it in reality (not when joking around) that lets you into what they truly think. Or if it's something in the positive, watch his reaction when the issue comes up seriously next time around where he has the potential to 'act' or put some muscle behind those positive assertions.

"Also, I do not think love is a laughing matter"
--Nah not rigid for a Scorp No need to be sry!! Your way works for you and his way works for him But that doesn't mean he doesn't have to show his affection and/or commitment to you in tangible ways. I think above all make sure your needs are getting met, this is just all imo, because I don't think it's fair for one partner to always be catering to the whims of another. I mean if his Piscean flakiness or whathaveyou is dominating the relationship then imo that's a bad sign, it shouldn't be like that esp when you're obv not like that. So if you're exclusive I think it's just fine to stand up and say, "I need _____ from you." Fill in the blank. I love my Pisces people but I have to be honest, sometimes you have to stand up for yourself with Pisces cos they truly may be off somewhere else in their minds and lord knows for how long or when they'll be back. And then after that subtle reminders to make sure they're on top of it if you think they might be slipping. If they love/respect you, they'll quick pick up on it.

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Wooow! You explained a big chunk of our relationship, scary. I do agree with the whole "options" thing he is like a Gemini in that he does not want to be pinned down. Where I get upset, is that I am not just an option but a person who has a lot to offer. Well we have seen eachother 1-2 times a week and want to start seeing eachother more. We have both played a lot of mind games and I think we are getting to a more pure/honest way of being. The whole "tight rope" metaphor is sooo acurate and btw that is the worst thing for a Scorpio!! To ask a Scorpio to feel anything halfway is very painful and eventually we get self destructive because I dont like being apathetic (esp when it comes to romance). I was basically obsessed from the start but did a really good job at acting detached. This whole "detachment" act has confused him. But in the past when I am more true with my feelings toward him, he has gotten overwhelmed and retreated. Finally, I called him out on it and he seemed to understand. He does not like the idea of me seeing other people and vice versa so we are in a committed relationship, I think we just subconciously test eachother. Him to test the waters and see how he feels about it like someone else mentioned and me to gage his level of seriousness. Yes, compromise is a big part of our relationship he is currently seperated (not divorced) and spends a lot of time with his son (very understandable) also he just works a lot. So we are moving in together for convienance but also because we will at least be able to see eachother at the end of the day.
As for moving in, its a big step for me because doesnt everyone want to move in with someone who LOVES them? He knows how much it bothers me to not be married but he isnt even divorced yet so I have a lot of issues to get over. Despite my unhappiness with a lot of things there are also bright spots. I think Scorpios have a tendancy to only focus on what upsets them.

posted December 11, 2012 12:45 AM            

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Originally posted by anost:
I'm a Scorpio (Sag rising too.) Same deal with the Geminis as well (even dated one with a lot of 12th house planets). I have mixed feelings about Pisces, they're hardly ever direct, I've seen some degree of manipulation and victim playing in every one of them I've personally known, and I can't deal with the vagueness, I'm far to confrontational and up front for that. If the Geminis are working for you, I'd recommend one with a Cancer moon or venus. If I'm correct in assuming that Cancer would fall into you're eighth house (Intimacy) It'd be all the better with Gemini in your 7th (Partnership).

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Very true, the love of my life aka "the one that got away" was a Gemini sun and Cancer mars/ascendant/venus and we shared a special connection. Funny how it falls into my 7th house of partnership. However I do not have a good rapport with Gemini Suns/cancer moons (my brother included) they are suprisinlgy flaky even for a Gemini and also prone to anxiety/ highly sensitive

posted December 11, 2012 12:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
At least he's not one of those guys that say I love you in the first month of dating. A guy can easily say he loves you just to keep you happy. He seems honest about his feelings, and thats why Pisces are so beautiful. Believe me they're some of the best lovers if you're patient. My first love was a pisces, it was so magical. Everything that happened was timed perfectly, nothing was rushed.

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Thank you for the input and I do agree in a lot of ways he has been more honest and I need to start doing the same. I feel paranoid because he has yet to finalize his divorce so a part of me feels like he is not a truly available guy. But he has recently taken steps to show his level of seriousness. Also, she knows he is dating (havent met her yet also a Scorp)and I hope to eventually meet his kids