posted December 11, 2012 04:37 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
they say the ascendant is peoples first impression of you, but how true is that? i personally always notice peoples sun sign first... not trying to brag but i was able to successfully guess all my co-workers sun signs after talking with them and observing them. for example: i've never had an experience where i met someone and thought " this guy/gal is definitely a sag" only to find out they are a pisces sun with sag ascendant, it just hasnt happened. am i alone in this? and if the ascendant isnt what people see in you at first( it hasnt been the case in my experience) what is it? what are your thoughts?

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In my experience my ascendant is very noticable. I have never experienced a stranger saying "ohhh you must be a ......" as in reality alot of people dont even rate astrology, less believe in it.

However as I have got to know people, we always have the inevitable conversation of "what did you think of me when you first met me?" and the reply I get is ALWAYS a text book Leo description. Friends always remark on how "different" I am once you get to know me

Leo Rising, Pisces Sun

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"This Pisces won't run when things get tough nor will they sit there and do nothing. Leo rising is the Fire that is lit in Pisces, getting this Water sign boiling"

posted December 11, 2012 05:03 AM            

But there is an interesting thread to be explored as far as the themes in their lives are concerned.

For many Aries Ascendnats for instance, regardless of outward behaviour., the question of being assertive, taking control of one's life and being more independent is a theme that one has to confront again and again.

A meek Leo with Asc in Aries will either have people bossing him around or be pushed(warts and all) to the spotlight before they are "ready" until such time as they decide to take charge of their lives and say "No". Learn to stand up and makes inititaives and decisions that put them first. This is the lesson and growth herein.
Some sun signs are just too obvious for me i.e Air signs and Fire signs are so easy. No brainer really.

I, personaly, tend to recognize Mars and Moon signs a lot more though.

posted December 11, 2012 05:37 AM            

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:

I also don't recognise Ascendant signs that much; which is why I think that that is only one description of what the Ascendant re[resents as a lot of Leo Asc/Taurus Asc seem not to behave or "look" the part.

But there is an interesting thread to be explored as far as the themes in their lives are concerned.

For many Aries Ascendnats for instance, regardless of outward behaviour., the question of being assertive, taking control of one's life and being more independent is a theme that one has to confront again and again.

A meek Leo with Asc in Aries will either have people bossing him around or be pushed(warts and all) to the spotlight before they are "ready" until such time as they decide to take charge of their lives and say "No". Learn to stand up and makes inititaives and decisions that put them first. This is the lesson and growth herein.
Some sun signs are just too obvious for me i.e Air signs and Fire signs are so easy. No brainer really.

I, personaly, tend to recognize Mars and Moon signs a lot more though.

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where did you find such information? or did you learn it all by yourself?

il just love to hear more as all of your intepretations were very good

posted December 11, 2012 06:00 AM            

...yet, that's not the only thing that defines a character and its traits, it's just one of the tree:

Sun <-> Moon <-> Ascendant + aspects, especially those to ASC.

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"...i was able to successfully guess all my co-workers sun signs after talking with them and observing them. for example"

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From what you described above, I'd say you were trying to see beyond their ASC (public masc), at that point you were trying to make a connection with them and that happens trough our Sun - you can't connect to people trough their ASC. I don't suppose - you just met them and after just few looks at them you tried to guess their Sun, something like: "Hi, my name is aquaguy91 - are you a Gemini?" ^^

I tried this approach with waitresses - and can't say i had much luck (so far off from their Sun sign) in guessing their Sun sign - most of the time, they just told me and the image they project outwardly was so far from that. On the other hand - those with a prominent Sun were more easy to guess (not much guessing in their case).

When it comes to guessing the Sun or ASC it depends - what kind of person are you aquaguy91... in "which way you are gifted" - what tools do you have at your disposal and how do you use them... - some of us have better intuition, others count mainly on a empirical approach and then - there are those who relate mainly through their emotions...

For some reason (experience based), I'm not so sure you could guess my Sun sign on first encounters - because it's kinda far off from the main traits i display around new people, since I have some ****** aspects with the ASC - that can confuse people (give the impression of "inward traits"). I've worked in many places and with many people - and none of them were in to astrology, but based on the way they described me or how surprised they were once they got to know me better - i doubt they could have guessed my Sun sign as people with advanced knowledge in astrology - yet, they might have as amateurs ^^ - lucky guess (just naming one of the signs of the zodiac).

posted December 11, 2012 12:17 PM            

Realistically though, we cannot separate them. The Sun, Ascendant, and Moon play such large roles in our daily lives they are all very important.

I behave AT LEAST 50% of the time like my Pisces ascendant if not more most of the time.

posted December 11, 2012 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
Our ASC is related to our public image, outward personality and superficial traits and that's what most people see... that's how we're judged (by our cover), in most cases that's what's exposed... except for specific cases like those with their Sun in ASC.

...yet, that's not the only thing that defines a character and its traits, it's just one of the tree:

Sun <-> Moon <-> Ascendant + aspects, especially those to ASC.

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From what you described above, I'd say you were trying to see beyond their ASC (public masc), at that point you were trying to make a connection with them and that happens trough our Sun - you can't connect to people trough their ASC. I don't suppose - you just met them and after just few looks at them you tried to guess their Sun, something like: "Hi, my name is aquaguy91 - are you a Gemini?" ^^

I tried this approach with waitresses - and can't say i had much luck (so far off from their Sun sign) in guessing their Sun sign - most of the time, they just told me and the image they project outwardly was so far from that. On the other hand - those with a prominent Sun were more easy to guess (not much guessing in their case).

When it comes to guessing the Sun or ASC it depends - what kind of person are you aquaguy91... in "which way you are gifted" - what tools do you have at your disposal and how do you use them... - some of us have better intuition, others count mainly on a empirical approach and then - there are those who relate mainly through their emotions...

For some reason (experience based), I'm not so sure you could guess my Sun sign on first encounters - because it's kinda far off from the main traits i display around new people, since I have some ****** aspects with the ASC - that can confuse people (give the impression of "inward traits"). I've worked in many places and with many people - and none of them were in to astrology, but based on the way they described me or how surprised they were once they got to know me better - i doubt they could have guessed my Sun sign as people with advanced knowledge in astrology - yet, they might have as amateurs ^^ - lucky guess (just naming one of the signs of the zodiac).

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posted December 11, 2012 02:29 PM            

Funny thing is and i think most people over look this but you should really look at your solar return chart for the year.I had an incident when somebody came up to me who was also into astrology asked me if i was a scorpio asc and of course i`m not.I thought i wonder why they think that...and i remembered that i`ve scorpio asc in my solar return chart for this year.

posted December 11, 2012 03:13 PM            

Sun in Aquarius:
http://www.librarising.com/astrology/sunsigns/suninaquariusmale.html

Sun in Virgo: http://www.librarising.com/astrology/sunsigns/suninvirgomale.html

posted December 11, 2012 04:27 PM            

That's why sun sign descriptions are so popular. The sun describes people best.

posted December 11, 2012 06:15 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
It takes some time for an asc to unfold - however,it is still the most important part of natal chart.

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Hi

Would you mind elaborating on that? I only ask as I've read that it's the other way around.

posted December 11, 2012 06:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Maelstrom:
Hi

Would you mind elaborating on that? I only ask as I've read that it's the other way around.

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Hello

Asc = core personality,and you need time in order to get a hold on what sort of person you're dealing with,what they are like.
Sun = the principle for ego development,the idea that keeps us going (growing),for example Sun in Gemini could be seen as individuality developing through self-expression.

posted December 12, 2012 02:31 AM            

The reason I believe that astrologers hold the Ascendant sign in such high esteem may be because, either than the way they allege the Ascendant is how you “present” yourself to the world, is how uncanny the approach is (and in some cases even more obvious) of the sign when it is placed on the Ascendant.

Astrological wisdom holds that an Ascendant in Libra may seem to “act” more Libran than the Sun being there.The Ascendant in Scorpio may seem to “behave” more Scorpion than the Sun being there.

My little sister has Gemini Ascending with Sun in Scorpio. She is not talkative, social and “all over the place” as suggested by the Ascendant description; well at least not from the outside as is alleged.

But I see that the themes that she has to grapple with in her life are very Gemini in nature: siblings, neighbours, acquaintances, social life, communication, being heard, speaking, peers and people her age, cousins, reading, moving places, short journeys, being versatile, making friends, child-like approach to life, logical, attached to nothing etc.

As a Sun in Scorpio, she is very private and shy. She tends to shrink when the spotlight is on her and I thought of this as unusual seeing that the Ascendant in Gemini is said to be “comfortable” with being the central focus of the crowd. (This is also, despite the fact that she has her Moon in Aries)

But then I realized that perhaps the Ascendant is not so much a “mask” that one has and is already there for their disposal when meeting people, but an area that one focuses a lot of attention in for the sole purpose of mastering the themes concerned with that particular Ascendant in this life.

These themes may be what the conscious ego would like to develop and though the Sun is the mode of expression (and to me, the Sun will always be the most important), it is worthwhile to look at the Ascendant to understand what it is that you are trying to “master”; what it is that you are trying to get “right” and which area will the transits mostly impact on. Etc.

When I talk to her about heart to heart matters, she expresses her deep concerns rather eloquently and is more permissive of letting her guard down when I use mediums like; smses, phone calls, letters, books, television etc.

On top of that, since I am a sibling of hers, she is more likely to take the role I play as her brother a lot more seriously and closer to home than Mom and Dad; who can be “distant” as they simply won’t “understand” her point of reference(Gemini Ascendant rules close acquaintances like siblings and close friends our age and so, they are not indifferent to siblings and people their age as they see them as being more relevant than “old” people and are actually the most likely to cave in under so-called “peer pressure”)

Another example is my other Sister who has her Ascendant in Cancer: she typifies the themes of the Ascendant in Cancer most assuredly:

Cancer Ascendant themes in life are centred around belonging, home base, family, tradition, Maternal parents, close relationships and ties that bind, getting older, bloodline, one’s culture, food, catering, property, security, emotional well-being, nurturance, parenthood etc.

My sister has her Sun in steady Taurus: She is definitely someone that dislikes disruptions and with Pluto opposing it, she can seem bullying and confrontational when her routine has been disturbed.

She has a strong and very close relationship with family members; especially my Mother. In fact, my mother serves as a “confidant” for many of her heartbreaks. They definitely have a very close mother-daughter relationship.

If, for instance, my mother was cool and aloof to her, the themes of the Ascendant would stay intact but in this regard, she would either search for the “maternal” parent throughout her life or have a baby in order to fulfil that part of being a maternal parent herself (to give to her child what she never had). The Cancer Ascendant themes would still be prevalent.

My opinion, and the list is not exhaustive, when it comes to the following Ascendants- as I have some to know some of them- is the following;

Pisces Ascendant themes- Dreams, the unconscious mind, spirit, self-sacrifice, suffering and pain, addiction, isolation, the downtrodden, the insane, the junkie, the locked up/incarcerated, spirituality(together with Sag Ascendant), charity, the undoing of oneself, hospitals, jails, Alcoholics anonymous, poets, Painters, the unseen and the unheard, psychics and mediums, poisons and hazardous chemicals , unclear diseases, the over-arching hero, disappearances and those who are “missing”, the projected “saviour”(Jesus Christ), the sacrificial lamb(again a religious rhetoric), the diluted ego etc.

I have a Pisces Ascendant friend who feels like he has suffered throughout his short life and that, in every aspect of his growing, there was some self-sacrifice that had to be done; either he had to put himself on the line to “rescue” someone or take the blame for something in an effort to “protect” another.

In this way he feels a strong connection to those who are suffering; whether conscious of that suffering or not. He is now a doctor and says that he’d like to specialize in psychiatry and especially working with the mentally ill.

His Sun in Sagittarius gives him a strong moral bent; even to a point of seeming to be exclusively judgmental and closed-minded. I always think of him as saying stuff like “What is the soul wanting?”, “What does the soul hope to achieve in this endeavour?” lol. I actually did my first reading on him.

Capricorn Ascendant; structure, goal setting, form(any type), bones, rationality, restraint, “growing up”, sobriety, looking at “reality”, inhibited expression, fear of being “nothing”, adherence to rules, fitting into societal norms, conformity, uniformity, standardization of things, the parents when older, responsibilities, bills, the government as authority, the boss, the paternal parent, status, legacy, what people think, rules and regulations, improvement of what is, difficult situations, challenges, chronic ailments, self promotion, self-loathing, business structure and all its forms, the influential/but exacting relationship, known “imperfections” that we take seriously etc.

With my Gemini mate, he has Capricorn on the Ascendant and, on first meeting him, I noticed more of the Gemini traits than anything; eagerness to talk, super-fast mind, eloquent way of expression, dual mind, wanting to complete your sentence etc.
His life though has strong Capricorn themes.

He has had to educate himself as his father had abandoned his mother as well as him and so he always felt that he had to become “something” to prove his worth (unconsciously to the Father as well as the world at large).

So he finished his education (with a lot of strain including skin ailment that he contacted whilst in school) and has two degrees.

But life definitely did not get easier as he realized that he was gay and felt a conflict between his image and the traditional family he is borne from(He also had a child with a woman at some point).

When all that was sorted, he had to assume responsibility for some of his siblings and pay for their tuition as well as sustain the rest of the family. He is now currently separated from his long-time Taurus mate and has been left with the financial burdens of taking care of their cohabited home. Yikes!

Luckily though, his Gemini Sun has a marvellous sense of humour and doesn’t let things get overly serious. At times he does become flaky, fickle and superficial but I understand all this; given the kind of life that he has had, it’s healthy to just detach from all that “heaviness” sometimes.

I don’t know any Scorpio Ascendants unfortunately, so it would be presumptuous of me to make any deductions based only on theory.

posted December 12, 2012 04:27 AM            

that was a WONDERFULL interpretation

i do plead guilty for the feeling of suffering but i always at the good qualities of pisces rising (pisces rising with libra sun ^^)