posted July 25, 2021 12:57 AM
True Saturnians are those wherein Saturn THE planet (not the Signs it is loosely connected to) is strongest/most dominant in the chart. Typically, but not always, in these cases Saturn is in the 1st House and closest Planet to the ASC or in the 10th or 9th House and/or closest to the MC. The ASC and MC are the two power points/amplifiers of a chart par excellence. Saturn being conjunct the ruler of the ASC can also powerfully boost it, so that if it otherwise also highlighted (in or near the Angular areas), it can be indicated to be the predominant symbol.
Someone with Saturn in the 5th and trine or square the ASC, can also come off as quite Saturnian in expression, but they aren't necessarily predominantly Saturnian if they have other Planets in the above conditions.
According to Edgar Cayce's repeat guidance, Saturn the Planet is the symbol most associated with psychopathy i.e. a lack of empathy and conscience (due to concentrated, habitual selfishness and fear indulgence). But it only manifests in these extreme ways when the rest of the chart supports that core pattern.
According to CAyce's guidance as well, Saturn as a symbol also corresponds to a Soul becoming so far off the path of connection to higher Love and Source consciousness, that they experience a true and permanent Soul death while focused in the nonphysical. In other words, they unravel their own consciousness sweater through a kind of nonphysical/consciousness entropy process.
Our Soul self is made up of of coherent, structured vibrational patterns. Love is what enables that harmony, balance, structure and connection to exist in the first place. Completely remove all connection to that love which is the very foundation of our beingness as children of a Source of Love, and you remove all that coherency and then the patterns fall into complete chaos and disarray.
Others and I have been told it is a relatively rare occurrence, thankfully, and guidance will do everything it can to nudge a Soul from such a path, but it will not intervene once things become too set. In that case, it is like putting a rabid animal out of it's misery (or rather allowing it to put itself). *
It is rumored that the head honcho/original dark Soul/Spirit itself, fears this unwanted/unsought consciousness suicide and so tries to keep part of itself constantly connected to physical energies to avoid same--hence why it is said that he is the prince of this world. Indeed.
*Intersting aside. It is suggested perhaps that one of Edgar Cayce's own Spirit Soul selves, may have experienced this destruction. This was the first John Bainbridge, who was quite a scamp in his life. It is said that the second John Bainbridge who incarnated about a 100 years after the first, came in from Saturn i.e. that symbol of the death of a previous Soul. Apparently that Spirit created a Soul with a good chunk of those memories and patterns in it, to repeat and see if it could overcome those tendencies. It mostly failed again, except at the end of it's life when it sacrificed it's life for others. This presumably kept that Soul from the same fate of the first. Edgar Cayce as a Soul, had energetics/memories from these John Bainbridge lives/souls, and hence why Edgar was no saint himself despite also having other, more saint like patterns and memories within him (Aspaph, Uhjtld, Ra Ta primarily).
Also perhaps interesting, but the first John Bainbridge was said to have originally come in from, and under the primary indications of Venus and Scorpio (Sun?)*, and apparently was quite attractive to the opposite sex (to their misfortune) and had many, many, many companions both white and Native American.
Edit to add: *Both Venus and Scorpio are mid vibrational symbols. This shows the supreme importance of freewill in shaping a life for the better or worse. The first Bainbridge did not come in a very slow vibrational Soul, but actually a mid vibrational Soul (as most are). But through choice and life circumstances, increasingly chose a more and more selfish and destructive to others path. To the point that when his body died, he was attracted to one of the lower levels (represented by Saturn), and presumably eventually experienced a Soul death, which is why the second John Bainbridge was said to come in from Saturn.