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MoonMystic
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posted July 22, 2021 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Eternal Energy:
They are anything but cold.

They are very, very sweet...


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MoonMystic
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posted July 22, 2021 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Used to always hear "smile, you'll be so much prettier" - I have resting b*tch face. People read me wrong. It takes huge effort to paint a smile often. Sometimes (the Uranus in my wheel) I can be surprisingly jovial and smile for the silliest things but my serious nature often keeps my lips in a solid balance.
Not up, nor Frown ... Never kept me from friends or a love life though.
Maybe it was a rebel look - idk. 😐

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GalacticCoreExplosionV2
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posted July 25, 2021 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True Saturnians are those wherein Saturn THE planet (not the Signs it is loosely connected to) is strongest/most dominant in the chart.

Typically, but not always, in these cases Saturn is in the 1st House and closest Planet to the ASC or in the 10th or 9th House and/or closest to the MC. The ASC and MC are the two power points/amplifiers of a chart par excellence. Saturn being conjunct the ruler of the ASC can also powerfully boost it, so that if it otherwise also highlighted (in or near the Angular areas), it can be indicated to be the predominant symbol.

Someone with Saturn in the 5th and trine or square the ASC, can also come off as quite Saturnian in expression, but they aren't necessarily predominantly Saturnian if they have other Planets in the above conditions.

According to Edgar Cayce's repeat guidance, Saturn the Planet is the symbol most associated with psychopathy i.e. a lack of empathy and conscience (due to concentrated, habitual selfishness and fear indulgence). But it only manifests in these extreme ways when the rest of the chart supports that core pattern.

According to CAyce's guidance as well, Saturn as a symbol also corresponds to a Soul becoming so far off the path of connection to higher Love and Source consciousness, that they experience a true and permanent Soul death while focused in the nonphysical. In other words, they unravel their own consciousness sweater through a kind of nonphysical/consciousness entropy process.

Our Soul self is made up of of coherent, structured vibrational patterns. Love is what enables that harmony, balance, structure and connection to exist in the first place. Completely remove all connection to that love which is the very foundation of our beingness as children of a Source of Love, and you remove all that coherency and then the patterns fall into complete chaos and disarray.

Others and I have been told it is a relatively rare occurrence, thankfully, and guidance will do everything it can to nudge a Soul from such a path, but it will not intervene once things become too set. In that case, it is like putting a rabid animal out of it's misery (or rather allowing it to put itself). *

It is rumored that the head honcho/original dark Soul/Spirit itself, fears this unwanted/unsought consciousness suicide and so tries to keep part of itself constantly connected to physical energies to avoid same--hence why it is said that he is the prince of this world. Indeed.

*Intersting aside. It is suggested perhaps that one of Edgar Cayce's own Spirit Soul selves, may have experienced this destruction. This was the first John Bainbridge, who was quite a scamp in his life. It is said that the second John Bainbridge who incarnated about a 100 years after the first, came in from Saturn i.e. that symbol of the death of a previous Soul. Apparently that Spirit created a Soul with a good chunk of those memories and patterns in it, to repeat and see if it could overcome those tendencies. It mostly failed again, except at the end of it's life when it sacrificed it's life for others. This presumably kept that Soul from the same fate of the first. Edgar Cayce as a Soul, had energetics/memories from these John Bainbridge lives/souls, and hence why Edgar was no saint himself despite also having other, more saint like patterns and memories within him (Aspaph, Uhjtld, Ra Ta primarily).

Also perhaps interesting, but the first John Bainbridge was said to have originally come in from, and under the primary indications of Venus and Scorpio (Sun?)*, and apparently was quite attractive to the opposite sex (to their misfortune) and had many, many, many companions both white and Native American.

Edit to add: *Both Venus and Scorpio are mid vibrational symbols. This shows the supreme importance of freewill in shaping a life for the better or worse. The first Bainbridge did not come in a very slow vibrational Soul, but actually a mid vibrational Soul (as most are). But through choice and life circumstances, increasingly chose a more and more selfish and destructive to others path. To the point that when his body died, he was attracted to one of the lower levels (represented by Saturn), and presumably eventually experienced a Soul death, which is why the second John Bainbridge was said to come in from Saturn.

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posted July 25, 2021 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Someone here in the forum told me I was. But I’m not sure how because I have nothing in Capricorn.


If you're referring to me, or rather my past incarnational self, then no, I said Uranus looked to be your strongest Planet followed by Saturn as the second or third. As to why, Angularity, and connection to important rulers of important/sensitive points in your chart. For some examples, the ruler of your ASC (often called the chart ruler traditionally), the Sun is trine the still slightly in 4th House Uranus, and the ruler of your Sun Sign AND MC, Venus is closely square it, and the faster moving/more personal ruler of your Moon, Saturn is conjunct Uranus. That combined with Aquarius on an Angle, and Moon in Aquarius, indicates a whole lot of Uranus going on.

Not all the patterns, but a good chunk. And besides Uranus and Saturn, Mars is pretty strong/highlighted since it is in your 10th and in a close trine to your Moon.

And btw, you do have something in Capricorn. The modern ruler of your Venus placement, Neptune, is in Capricorn, though that is not a powerful highlighting by any means. It is minor to moderate and mostly will connect to the area of romance, self expression, creativity, and relationships for you (combo of 5th House and Venus connections). And after Mars, I would say Neptune is your next most highlighted Planet. 5th House is the next most sensitive/amplifying area of the chart after the Angles, and honestly, can relate more directly to self type energies than the 4th and 7th House patterns often.

As an aside, oddly, I'm talking to someone who has a fairly similar chart to you in a number of ways. Taurus Sun, Aqua Moon, Sun in 9th, Mercury in Aries in the 8th, etc. I'm quite attracted to her, but alas it shall have to remain platonic since she has a boyfriend and they are not open.

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