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RedScorp
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posted December 13, 2012 04:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I get mad when watching movies where survival is threatened. More accurately, I get angry with the characters who are """"weak"""", as in they cry, or hesitate, or something! If your friend being attacked by a parasitic alien is shouting at you to slam the door, then slam the door! Don't stare, don't gawk, don't whimper their name. Is the person dying with their gun right there? Don't kneel beside them and tend to them, grab the f!cking gun! I hate people who fumble too.

I have a strong self-preserving instinct. When/if my survival is concerned, I know that I can be ruthless. Call me a coward, but I can't be a hero if I'm dead. My emotions go off. I won't scream and cry and shout no/friend's name if I witness them get killed.
I think to myself, "if you survive, there will be all the time in the world to *insert verb here*"
Stuff like that, or more accurately, "Do what has to be done."

What aspects would point to someone who puts survival first? Or someone who's self preserving?
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If you can't survive, then maybe you shouldn't survive.

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SaturnineMoth
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posted December 13, 2012 04:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnineMoth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Totally, agree with ya'. i literally yell at the TV/movie screen during these scenes!!! :x

aspect-wise --- um - Saturn in Scorpio~ >.>; ---- oh but yeah - (((bias)))

Saturn opposite Moon

the opposite of that need to nuture/let emotoins get the better of you~ would in my mind be attributed largely to Saturn, next to Jupiter, and Mercury -- positive aspects between Mercury and Jupiter (to Saturn or Mars) perhaps making a person more inclined to think on their feet and use what they have at their disposal to overcome/gain ground in these situations - but, Saturn has to trump them~ one way or the other - it comes down to the mind being more adaptable than the emotional structure of a person's psyche. The stronger you are mentally and the more perseverance you have toward reaching a certain goal the more assertive your will to survive will be.

something like that~ ^^;

but I'm heavily biased on the topic~

lol (just realized I made it about cardinal energies, pretty much)... eeps sorry ~

just my 2 bits~ ^^;

I know they only put those cliche scenes/characters in to drive the story forward... but, even knowing that... my mind can't tolerate seeing people make such tactless follies!~ ugh /endrant

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sand
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posted December 13, 2012 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Self-preservation behaviors. Each of us responds to perceived threats and needs to assure individual survival. These responses extend to others deemed as important in assuring personal survival or with whom we are identified. These behaviors also are sometimes referred to as support functions or instrumental and task functions. Attention and energy go to issues related to personal survival, such as safety, security, comfort, protection and adequate basic resources of food, shelter and warmth. Learn about the self-preservation subtype in all nine types.

Social behaviors. We are a group-living species. Survival depends on social structure and group function. These behaviors also are sometimes referred to as the friendship, companionship or affiliation functions. Attention and energy go to issues related to community and group membership or participation, such as role, status, social acceptance, belonging, being included, participation with others, companionship and fellowship. Learn about the social subtype in all nine types.

Sexual or one-to-one behaviors. Our survival involves pair bonds and primary one-to-one relationships or connections as part of successful adaptation. These relationships may or may not involve sexual acts per se. Attention and energy go to issues related to connection in vital relationships, such as bonding with special others, expressing intensity in one-to-one relationships, sexual intimacy, attractiveness, closeness, union and merging. Learn about the one-to-one subtype in all nine types.
http://www.enneagramworldwide.com/explore-the-enneagram/instinctual-subtypes/

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sand
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posted December 13, 2012 06:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a Sexual 8 or a Sexual Three. Been testing 8 v v consistently now.


Type 8: Possession/Surrender

As a Protector, your passionate lust energy wants to possess your intimate relationships. You want to know everything about your special other – mind, body and soul. You want to protect him/her and be consulted in significant matters. You can be highly physical. You wouldn’t think of your control and impact as dominating – you’re simply taking charge and care for special others who depend upon you. Your vitality and verve infuse every molecule of your intimates. In business, this takes the form of commanding presence, relentless competition and the power to do battle as necessary. Struggles over control let you know whom you can count on. Possession and potency with others verifies your power, strength and efficacy. After you have tested your intimates’ fettle and commitment, you can move to the polar opposite in your all-or-nothing style of attending. You can surrender control, trusting that you won’t be betrayed. At your worst, your intense energetic focus can lead to dominating and controlling relationships with the “my way or the highway” approach to life – an outcome you actually deplore.

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sand
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posted December 13, 2012 06:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not a self preserver. In a way I don't care about what if my plane crashes and I suddenly get stuck in Antarctica. I will just look for the liquor pretend to save the hottest passenger and probably be eaten by a bear. Yeah like Tristan in legends of the fall. That's be cool.

I suppose Scorpio is the sign of survival. I know I've put myself thru unneeded tests just to see if I can.

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PixieJane
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posted December 13, 2012 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've learned to survive in survival sitches, probably from having been exposed to such at a young age as well as raised with the idea of self-sufficiency (though as a child I did manage to just break down and cry, had my mom not fled and Dad killed her as he intended to do then Dad would've found me easily hiding under my bed sobbing when I was 13 had he decided to kill me, too). Astrologically speaking, I suppose having a balance of fire & air that dominates my chart might explain how I'm able to generate the passion and intellectual detachment to survive where a more "realistic" earth heavy person might give up or heavy water chart might be prone to things like hysterics (I'd imagine a heavy mix of fire & water would be worst for that, with perhaps air & earth the best, though perhaps air & fire if melee combat is needed).

I tend to be understanding, at least if the characters have never faced such a sitch before and it's especially horrific as they tend to be when hideous aliens or nightmarish monsters rip a loved one apart, entrails dripping, right in front of them. Frankly, I'm not sure even I (who has seen people killed right in front of me and faced horrific sitches) would immediately handle that well either. Nevertheless, I do get angry when like someone fleeing a killer sees a dead cop and instead of grabbing their gun first, radio second (both of which are right there in plain view) just scream & run. And I get annoyed when the most basic rules of common sense are ignored (for example, kids get lost in woods, they KNOW they're walking in circles, and yet refuse to to instead follow a stream which would keep them going in one direction and very likely lead them to civilization as well as much more likely to find campers and the like, though I did give a pass once thinking their minds were clouded under the spell of a witch who haunted the woods, not that this was explicitly stated in the movie).

The ones that REALLY tick me off, however, are the REAL LIFE people. For example, yet another hurricane hit Florida and a mom is on the news demanding the government take care of her and her kids when she refused to prepare at all or leave. Understand, if she HAD prepared but a natural disaster or human attack deprived her of her home I'd be fully sympathetic, but she was just afflicted with the lazy mind of a child who believed her life was everyone else's responsibility, a leech, and she was an unfit mother who should have had her kids removed.

And then there was a neighbor (a few houses down) of mine...I first came alert when I was working the yard when 2 white boys pretending to be black gangsters (the blacks in the neighborhood loathed them even more than I did and wished they met REAL black gangsters) where one was bragging to his friend about killing his ex-girlfriend's cat by getting the cat in a bag and then slamming the cat to death and dumping the body on her doorstep. I instantly begin playing with the idea of vigilante slaying (what can I say, I was raised in Texas), especially as I realized that with a little forethought I'd likely get away with it (as I had no real connection to them and a lot of people hated them), though I believe the biggest reason why I eschewed avenging the cat and defending the community from a psychopath is that I was worried someone innocent might be sent to prison in my place (the innocent are convicted all the time).

And then the cat killing psychopath made the news for killing his ex (guess her cat just wasn't enough). He broke through her window and stabbed her to death while she stayed on the phone with 911. The cops caught him fleeing the scene but it was too late for her. And for a moment I wondered if I should've carried out my initial urge to kill him while she was still alive but then decided I made the right call, and as for her, she was likely messed up to have had him as a boyfriend in the first place AND she should've either fled (having called 911 she probably would've survived had she even just locked herself in the bathroom until the cops got there, which they did like 2 minutes after he killed her), bashed him over the head as he crawled in, or used a gun (virtually anyone could use one of those in her own home assuming not a convicted felon), and she could've called 911 before doing any of those things, too instead of just praying for someone (though at least praying to the police is more effective than praying to God) to save her and waiting in paralyzed terror for the end. I know it's cold, but I just don't have much sympathy for her. The only one I feel sorry for is her cat.

Btw, you might love this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXJnwEO4rBw

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StacyLewis
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posted December 13, 2012 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StacyLewis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I only get mad during movies like that if the "playing field" is uneven - for example, if the killers have an unfair advantage, like having the protagonists tied down so they can't defend themselves or get away.

I also get mad when the protagonists don't put up much of a fight, for me it isn't about whether or not they do"win' and survive in the end, as long as they try to. I get frustrated watching them get wailed on or hacked up when they do little or nothing to defend themselves.

But even then, I'm not thinking something like, "They deserve to die", far from it - that kind of thinking sounds more like a Saturnian or Plutonian thing to me. I know a few people who think like that and I think most of them have prominent Saturn or Pluto.

Although, I have Pluto conjunct my Moon, andI'm too much of a bleeding heart for that and believe everybody is equal and deserves to survive; no man left behind, and that "survival of the fittest" is an inherently bullsh!t concept - Rand, from what I heard, took a government handout eventually which I find more than a little ironic, and hilarious, and it's been said that Darwin had his doubts about the whole thing too in the end.

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aquaguy91
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posted December 14, 2012 01:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think we all get frustrated with people in those tv/movie scenes and say we'd do things differently lol. but it dont mean a whole lot until you actually get into a life or death situation, its alot different then being in the safety and comfort of the living room. self preservation? i'd say fixed signs have an edge.

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SaturnineMoth
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posted December 14, 2012 01:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnineMoth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^

well now --- that's not biased one bit...

>.>; lol

ur right tho- i was thinking that ---- it's like gameshows --- it's always easy when ur not the one under the gun/timer...

but - yeanomaybe

maybe half fixed and half cardinals will survive

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Padre35
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posted December 14, 2012 01:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I feel you Red Scorp.

For me, I've survived several of those types of situations, adrenal dump the whole bit.

I can understand why people freeze in actual life and not media life, they have no context for what is actually happening to them.

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