posted December 16, 2012 06:10 PM            

I am not sure they understand that a woman comes with physical and spiritual parts – quite apart from her genitalia.

They also don’t seem to understand that a woman they are sexually attracted to – is also a human being and that she has her OWN life with her own problems, joys and sorrows.
Once they are sexually attracted – forget it! They’ll treat you like a heartless, brainless - mannequin.

posted December 16, 2012 06:23 PM            

They take no accountability.
First they ACT Plutonian... then they drift over to the other side of the opposition (the Moon side) - and pretend they did nothing at all - and you are the one who is the b*tch who hurt -them-...
It's completely ridiculous.

They will complain from here to England - about how all the women of the world are mistreating them, manipulating them and what not - and when they themselves behave this way or *worse* -- they do not acknowledge it.

I am not sure how to show this person a healthier way of interacting and having a relationship with another.
I just don't know *how*...

posted December 16, 2012 06:56 PM            

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arent you cap moons supposed to be sensible?

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scr3w that!!

posted December 16, 2012 07:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
scr3w that!!

He is STEALING my friends.

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posted December 16, 2012 07:01 PM            

Since you did admit that your behaviour towards those two girls was wrong... can I ask - do you feel that since you never apologised to them... do you feel as though the karma you have accumulated through this behaviour means nothing?

posted December 16, 2012 07:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
aquaguy - I have a question..

Since you did admit that your behaviour towards those two girls was wrong... can I ask - do you feel that since you never apologised to them... do you feel as though the karma you have accumulated through this behaviour means nothing?

I am just curious... because something else I have noticed with this guy is that he really seems to think there are no consequences for his actions.

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posted December 16, 2012 08:01 PM            

When it comes down to it he basically hates women even though he is obsessed with having one in his life to control and treat badly. He can't be content when not in a relationship. The whole trying to steal your friends thing sounds exactly like something he would do lol. He was extremely manipulative. He felt the world owed him something because of "how badly he was always treated" so he didn't care about consequences and thought he had a free pass to hurt others and do whatever he wanted. But the thing is it always ended up backfiring on him in the end. Because that's just not how things work whether he understood that or not. So I would say... Just wait it out, and in the end people will see things for what they really are. Don't even stoop to that level and try to "win" with him, because he will get what's coming to him in the end lol

posted December 16, 2012 08:27 PM            

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He felt the world owed him something because of "how badly he was always treated" so he didn't care about consequences and thought he had a free pass to hurt others and do whatever he wanted.

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OMG ^ This is him to a T.
His mother has passed away and he feels everyone in the world is responsible.. but in particular women.
He thinks the women of the world owe him motherly affection to make up for his loss.. and it doesn't matter if he treats them badly.
He also panics if someone leaves him. Like now I have left him and he keeps trying to get my attention.

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he basically hates women even though he is obsessed with having one in his life

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posted December 16, 2012 08:32 PM            

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in reaction to something they did to purposely hurt me or make feel jealous/insecure

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If this is true, then I could understand your reaction.

But is it possible you misinterpreted?

Sag guy misinterpreted my behaviour to mean that I was dismissive or cold towards him - not long after we met ... and he started acting like a jerk - when there was no reason for that. I was not in the best mood, but he took it personally and made it into something it wasn't.
He seems to read manipulation and emotional drama into everything.

Would you say having Moon/Pluto - you are maybe paranoid about people (mainly women) manipulating you?

posted December 16, 2012 08:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
aquaguy -

If this is true, then I could understand your reaction.

But is it possible you misinterpreted?

Sag guy misinterpreted my behaviour to mean that I was dismissive or cold towards him - not long after we met ... and he started acting like a jerk - when there was no reason for that. I was not in the best mood, but he took it personally and made it into something it wasn't.
He seems to read manipulation and emotional drama into everything.

Would you say having Moon/Pluto - you are maybe paranoid about people (mainly women) manipulating you?

I'm only asking ^... not insinuating anything.

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posted December 17, 2012 08:45 AM            

:runs for the hills:

Ok, seriously though.
These people have issues no woman could ever solve. Forget it, Odette. What he needs is a doctor. But oh wait! He doesn't actually think he has a problem. So.. um, he's probably doomed.

Everything you guys said is true, in my experience.
But the weird thing is that they usually have no problem drawing female attention to them. At first they're super charming, lovey-dovey and when you reciprocate they turn into heartless jer*s that start abusing you AND then blame YOU for their own BS. Seriously.

Women with Moon/Pluto have it easier, I think, even though it's still a hard one.

posted December 17, 2012 09:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
STAY AWAY FROM THEM!!!!!

:runs for the hills:

Ok, seriously though.
These people have issues no woman could ever solve. Forget it, Odette. What he needs is a doctor. But oh wait! He doesn't actually think he has a problem. So.. um, he's probably doomed.

Everything you guys said is true, in my experience.
But the weird thing is that they usually have no problem drawing female attention to them. At first they're super charming, lovey-dovey and when you reciprocate they turn into heartless jer*s that start abusing you AND then blame YOU for their own BS. Seriously.

Women with Moon/Pluto have it easier, I think, even though it's still a hard one.

But oh no, whenever I see Moon/Pluto affliction in a man's chart I *know* the guy has issues with mommy and women at large. No thanks!

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posted December 17, 2012 09:05 AM            

1/12 in the right sign, lets assume Taurus, with a generational Pluto in Scorpio.

Then we have 30 degrees, of which 5 can be considered in opposition, so 5/30 or 1/6

Leaving us with 1/12 * 1/6 and 1/72 men in the Pluto Scorpio generation will be born with an opposition. Of course this assumes that there is a statistically even spread of births of each moon sign and across the degrees. In reality this is probably not the case. This doesn't include squares, which would increase the chances by half again. So 1/36 men would have the square or opposition.

I don't know how many men you meet, the chances are you will come across many people in your life. I do however think it is slightly unfair to generalise one aspect as being responsible for a particular characteristic. I'm not saying that it is not the case. Just that it should be looked at more deeply. Backgrounds, house placements, and other chart factors should be taken into account.

- Chris

posted December 17, 2012 09:20 AM            

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Well, my aqua ex has Leo moon square Scorpio Pluto, and was he hopeless?... Unfortunately yes. I wasted far too much time thinking otherwise. (Of course not just because of this one aspect, there were lots of other issues/aspects)

When it comes down to it he basically hates women even though he is obsessed with having one in his life to control and treat badly. He can't be content when not in a relationship. The whole trying to steal your friends thing sounds exactly like something he would do lol. He was extremely manipulative. He felt the world owed him something because of "how badly he was always treated" so he didn't care about consequences and thought he had a free pass to hurt others and do whatever he wanted. But the thing is it always ended up backfiring on him in the end. Because that's just not how things work whether he understood that or not. So I would say... Just wait it out, and in the end people will see things for what they really are. Don't even stoop to that level and try to "win" with him, because he will get what's coming to him in the end lol

eta: I'm not hating on people who have moon opp pluto, my little sister has this and I will never categorize her as "hopeless" lol, but it will be a challenge for her, and I was mainly just trying to say don't engage in the manipulation with them, because that really is hopeless lol

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i have the same square but i look up to women so much. (don't worry was just sayin)

Moon square Pluto throws itself into the deep end when it comes to its emotions also. They experience relationships, truly, madly and deeply, but they can also easily freeze over in an instant if someone else tries to dominate, manipulate or control them! The Moon square Pluto is extremely sensitive to seething undercurrents in a domestic situation, and in childhood may have been the receptacle for all the poisonous and unexpressed family grievances. They learn to bury these feelings, only for them to explode volcano-like at a later date. The tension generated by the square in this Hades Moon is tough, but creates black-gold which then fuels immense talent. The subjects feel compelled to purge their long suppressed rage and emotions creatively, which can bring them power and success.