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Topic: Push And Pull
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JLyn ~
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posted December 16, 2012 09:35 PM
  
The REAL difference between opposite and square in astrology.Most say they're the same because they bring negative influences, but let's get down to root and solve this. Opposites are actually like a magnet pulled in a different direction, two different flavors not paying attention to the other, even in extreme cases hiding from the other, but peeking from the door in an intrigued way. Curious. But push them close enough & there energy will instantly lock, Hard. Real hard Squares are just plan difficult, alotta childs play and unknown frustrations coming from where?? It's like two bulls banging their horns against each other because the two engergies are suppose to learn to compromise. And brings heart pounding excitement. And if you play your cards right it can be more rewarding because you fought though it and learned. Now why is this explained so differently in a composite chart for example? In text it reads two people with opposites AND square Venus and Saturn have outside influences stopping their relationship or their relationship is just doomed without a chance!!! What's your opinion please share : ) IP: Logged |
crabbypatty
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posted December 16, 2012 11:24 PM
good question! I will be following this post...IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted December 16, 2012 11:49 PM
I find opposites just go from one end to another. If you have it natally, one planet will be sacrificed in use of the other, or vice versa, etc. The one who's more powerful will often strong arm the other one, and outweigh its areas of rule. My observations.  Then the square is literally tension. There is the push, like you said, and that's hard to deal with. The person might not know what to do with so much pressure built up behind the aspect (which is why something like a Mars/S-turn square can lead to a violent or cruel temper). Any ways, concerning composites, I dunno man.  IP: Logged |
JLyn ~
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posted December 17, 2012 12:22 AM
It's ironicly conflicting huh? Experienced astrologiers from what I read say composite charts is how the relationship will turn out, not like a synsatry between two people shared energies you feel when together. So wouldn't that change it to a different wavelength? IP: Logged |
StacyLewis
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posted December 17, 2012 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by RedScorp:
(which is why something like a Mars/S-turn square can lead to a violent or cruel temper).
Actually, this is wrong. Violence in a chart is Mars in hard aspect to Pluto. Mars-Saturn aspects indicate lots of frustration, or constantly having setbacks (Saturn) whenever you try to go out and accomplish something (Mars). Cruelty is more of a lack of empathy issue so you'd look to see what Neptune was (or wasn't) doing in a chart. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 17, 2012 02:39 PM
Major aspects between Mars/Pluto are valid for violence, including trines such as as Adam Lanza's.
And RedScorp is correct, Mars/Saturn in aspect can be highly frustrated and anger can build to enormous proportions.--- When we think of Mars as the life force and the will and the planets Saturn and Pluto ruling over death it's easy to see how each could lead to violence. Corll, Dean Arnold - Serial Killer - Mars trine Pluto, Mars opp Neptune tsq Sun, Mars sq Moon Whitman, Charley - Mass Murderer - Mars trine Pluto, Mars opp Neptune tsq Sun/Moon conj, Mars sextile Saturn Olson, Clifford - Serial Killer - Mars trine Pluto, Mars opp Neptune, Mars sq Sun Bundy, Ted - Serial Killer - Mars/Moon trine Saturn/Pluto, Mars sextile Neptune Speck, Richard - Mass Murderer - Grand Trine: Mars/Pluto/Mercury, Mars sq Moon Petiot, Marcel - Serial Mass Murderer - Mars/Pluto/Neptune trine Mercury Succo, Roberto - Serial Killer - Mars opp Pluto, Mars trine Neptune, Mars conj Moon Kearney, Patrick - Serial Killer - Mars opp Pluto tsq Saturn, Mars trine Sun/Mercury/Neptune Ferguson, John Errol - Mass Murderer - Mars conj Saturn opp Mercury McCaffery, Archie - Mass Murderer - Mars conj Saturn sq Sun Huberty, James - Mass Murderer - Mars trine Saturn, Mars conj Merc/Sun Bunyard, John - Mass Murderer - Mars sextile Sun/Moon/Saturn stellium
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JLyn ~
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posted December 17, 2012 09:17 PM
Yah yah yah but we talking about opposites and squares as two different energies people.Look at the bigger picture:
If someone has Venus square Saturn in natal, that person would have trouble excepting love because the Venus love is being frustrated by cold Saturn (because of the square) but if that same person had Venus opposite Saturn in natal astrologiers say you get the same response as the opposite? Personally I think there's a deeper meaning but people are being lazy and dont how to explain it IP: Logged |
foxxyxo
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posted December 17, 2012 09:26 PM
venus square saturn is true in synastry!!! unfortunatelyi have this with somebody who i like very much. his the saturn and i'm the venus we once were in the same location but now we can't be together because we live so far apart...one of the aspects of this synastry is distance i can tell him(saturn) really wants to make it work and have a leap of faith yet hesitates...so me(venus) feels unsure if I should express my love from time to time once we overcome our obstacle...if ever...i know damn well we'd love each other till the end...if somebody shows their love through that much effort you know its real!!!!...i think the square puts an obstacle there to show you how much that person is dedicated...or not dedicated IP: Logged |
JLyn ~
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posted December 17, 2012 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by foxxyxo:
venus square saturn is true in synastry!!! unfortunatelyi have this with somebody who i like very much. his the saturn and i'm the venus we once were in the same location but now we can't be together because we live so far apart...one of the aspects of this synastry is distance i can tell him(saturn) really wants to make it work and have a leap of faith yet hesitates...so me(venus) feels unsure if I should express my love from time to time once we overcome our obstacle...if ever...i know damn well we'd love each other till the end...if somebody shows their love through that much effort you know its real!!!!...i think the square puts an obstacle there to show you how much that person is dedicated...or not dedicated
But what about Venus opposite Saturn, Is it still an obstacle? IP: Logged |
foxxyxo
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posted December 17, 2012 10:59 PM
hmm i've never had the opposition in synastry..not that i know of...but i'd imagine it to be without the obstacles of the square aspect yet still just as emotionally "pushing and pulling" opposition=more in common square=having to totally adapt to that person on another level..see qualities you definately don't see in yourself i think opposition you might have a better chance at coming to equal terms of love after the initial first struggle still just as rewarding though in the end ; ) meow IP: Logged |
JLyn ~
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posted December 18, 2012 12:25 AM
Foxxyxo,Do you know anything about composite charts? IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 18, 2012 02:41 AM
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JLyn: but if that same person had Venus opposite Saturn in natal astrologiers say you get the same response as the opposite?
The interp for Venus opp Saturn is that they'll inject themselves into situations where they'll be rejected, they have some inner block that says to them 'keep trying cos one day they'll accept me/understand this part of me.' The opp can fall flat on its face, v.publicly, and truly not understand the things about themselves that other people aren't responding favorably towards... just complete blinders on regarding the ways they drive people away esp romantic opportunities. The square is either self-rejecting before the other person even enters the picture or quick to reject others as the square energy by definition is internalized.IP: Logged |
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