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hannaramaa
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posted December 22, 2012 08:37 PM
  
I have Pluto in the 5th house. It's only big aspect is it's opposition to my 11H Moon. It sextiles Neptune and is quincunx Mars but I've read a lot of article and seen opinions that those aspects don't matter. What I was wondering is does this opposition to my Moon not only affect the way the other Moon aspects I have (trine Saturn, Uranus, Neptune in the 7H) are expressed, but do those planets also affect Pluto ergo my 5th house? Also, does anyone else see a pattern here that most of my planets are in "people" houses? 5, 7, and 11? IP: Logged |
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posted December 23, 2012 02:16 AM
To answer the first part of your question, Pluto inconjunct Mars, I would not dismiss that, that is not an easy aspect to deal with , no inconjunct is, read up on that one, and the thing is that Mars is the ruler of your 11th house, so you have Pluto inconjunct the ruler of the 11th house, which makes the earlier horary you asked about friendship even stronger. Your energy there is difficult to get a grip on. The sextiles between Pluto and Saturn and Neptune are quite generational, but then also look at the houses they rule. So Pluto is sextile the ruler of the 8th house, and the ruler of the 10th house, then you can make these aspects more personal. Your Pluto Moon opposition, Moon being the ruler of the 2nd house, something might have happened to you in relation to physical feelings of safety when you were young. Some links to understand Mars/Pluto contacts. http://sasstrology.com/2012/03/dark-energy-aspects-between-mars-and-pluto-in-the-natal-chart.html http://www.astrologyanswer.com/planets/mars/aspects/mars-and-pluto-in-discordant-aspect-inconjunct-semisextile
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hannaramaa
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posted December 23, 2012 08:38 AM
Typing from my phone so I can't go as in-depth as I'd like (but will later). How is Pluto sextile the ruler of my 8th house? Might be a dumb question, but its early so forgive me.  IP: Logged |
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posted December 23, 2012 08:56 AM
I do this out of my head now, your Pluto is sextile Saturn, Saturn is the ruler of your 8th house as Capricorn is the sign where your 8th house is starting. To carry on, Pluto is the ruler of your 6th house, so the ruler of the 6th and the ruler of the 8th house are sextiling each other. They get on so to say. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted December 23, 2012 09:58 AM
Home now, so I can probe more. Yay for me, maybe not for you lol. I actually don't know what house Pluto rules because it's almost right on the cusp of both. I use Placidus as a chart theme, which gives Sag more room in my 6th house, but Pluto is in Scorpio in my 5th. In any case, you're right about Pluto sextiling Saturn so you're probably right about the house ruler too. Also, glad to know I should take Mars inconj. Pluto more seriously. I kept telling people "No... I have no problem asserting myself really." And other than repressed anger I wonder what I'm missing out on with Mars in the 12H. Do you know if those aspects affect the way my Moon comes across at all? That is what I meant by the second part of my question - if one planet makes an aspect by two separate planets who DON'T aspect - if those two planets are still influenced by the aspect to the middle planet. If I'm being confusing, let me know. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted December 23, 2012 12:27 PM
TOFU.I haven't even touched the other two articles you posted. The Sasstrology one nailed it. See, all this time I thought "Oh, that's my Aries." or "That's my Aries PLUS my Moon opp. Pluto." I really underestimated this aspect. Does this mean I'm Scorpionic to an extent? If I have two personal planets in hard aspect to Pluto, plus I have Pluto in my 5th house? I realize it's off topic but hey, gotta ask questions... IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted December 23, 2012 12:29 PM
I can't see my reply so I can't edit (which I hate, because it's inefficient...anyway) but the article talks about Pluto being subconscious. Well, if what Pluto does is subconscious, and my Mars is already in the 12th house but they aspect each other does that mean I'm twice as blind to how I impact others or come off? How does that work?IP: Logged |
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posted December 23, 2012 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I can't see my reply so I can't edit (which I hate, because it's inefficient...anyway) but the article talks about Pluto being subconscious. Well, if what Pluto does is subconscious, and my Mars is already in the 12th house but they aspect each other does that mean I'm twice as blind to how I impact others or come off? How does that work?
Could work out like that as you descripe. Also the inconjunct is not helping to get a grip. That is a slippery aspect. Makes everything more uncertain. IP: Logged |
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posted December 23, 2012 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
[b]TOFU.I haven't even touched the other two articles you posted. The Sasstrology one nailed it. See, all this time I thought "Oh, that's my Aries." or "That's my Aries PLUS my Moon opp. Pluto." I really underestimated this aspect. Does this mean I'm Scorpionic to an extent? If I have two personal planets in hard aspect to Pluto, plus I have Pluto in my 5th house? I realize it's off topic but hey, gotta ask questions...[/B]
If your birth time is correct, Pluto is indeed on the cusp, normally you would read Pluto in the next house within 3 to 5 degrees, but Pluto is Retrograde, that dampers that a bit, where do you feel yourself your Pluto is, in 5 or in 6, i would be inclined to put it in 6 as it is a bit more than 1 degree from cusp 6.
And yes, you have strong scorpio energy. IP: Logged |
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posted December 23, 2012 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Home now, so I can probe more. Yay for me, maybe not for you lol. I actually don't know what house Pluto rules because it's almost right on the cusp of both. I use Placidus as a chart theme, which gives Sag more room in my 6th house, but Pluto is in Scorpio in my 5th. In any case, you're right about Pluto sextiling Saturn so you're probably right about the house ruler too. Also, glad to know I should take Mars inconj. Pluto more seriously. I kept telling people "No... I have no problem asserting myself really." And other than repressed anger I wonder what I'm missing out on with Mars in the 12H. Do you know if those aspects affect the way my Moon comes across at all? That is what I meant by the second part of my question - if one planet makes an aspect by two separate planets who DON'T aspect - if those two planets are still influenced by the aspect to the middle planet. If I'm being confusing, let me know.
Pluto rules the 6th house regardless if you put Pluto in 5 or 6, It means that the sixth house starts in the sign of scorpio, which is ruled by Pluto . So it does not matter if Pluto is in 5 or in 6 for this question as we are looking at the houseruler. Your fifth house is ruled by Venus. Also your 12th house.
It makes sense that a planet would be affected in relation to 2 other unrelated ones. But I would not put too much emphasis on it, keep it as easy and clear as you see it.
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hannaramaa
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posted December 23, 2012 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by Tofu addict:
If your birth time is correct, Pluto is indeed on the cusp, normally you would read Pluto in the next house within 3 to 5 degrees, but Pluto is Retrograde, that dampers that a bit, where do you feel yourself your Pluto is, in 5 or in 6, i would be inclined to put it in 6 as it is a bit more than 1 degree from cusp 6.
And yes, you have strong scorpio energy.
Honestly my 5th. I get very obsessive over crushes even if I don't know them that well and I'm very passionate about my creative pursuits like singing and playing piano - or I play very passionately anyway. But I can practice for hours on end and not get bored or tired of it. I absolutely do not want kids and I never have - nobody has been able to really understand that, and I can't be like "Haha, oh I just have Pluto in the 5th house. It could go either way!" I also tend to attract Scorpios like flies to honey, though not so much the Suns as of late. I'm not that concerned about my health and don't have a huge fitness regime or anything. What I can relate to with the 6th house and Pluto being in it (or ruling it) is my need to work alone, and I also enjoy investigations and researching. IP: Logged |
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posted December 23, 2012 01:24 PM
Yes, sounds like a 5th house pluto , but your 5th house ruler makes a square with your 8th house ruler, that can account for what you descripe as well . Maybe Pluto works a bit in both as it is such a close call. IP: Logged |
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posted December 23, 2012 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Honestly my 5th. I get very obsessive over crushes even if I don't know them that well and I'm very passionate about my creative pursuits like singing and playing piano - or I play very passionately anyway. But I can practice for hours on end and not get bored or tired of it. I absolutely do not want kids and I never have - nobody has been able to really understand that, and I can't be like "Haha, oh I just have Pluto in the 5th house. It could go either way!" I also tend to attract Scorpios like flies to honey, though not so much the Suns as of late. I'm not that concerned about my health and don't have a huge fitness regime or anything. What I can relate to with the 6th house and Pluto being in it (or ruling it) is my need to work alone, and I also enjoy investigations and researching.
I can totally relate to this too. I also have Pluto in my 5th, and even though Venus rules my 6th, Scorpio is intercepted there. Every single thing you wrote applies to me too, exactly! (And I totally LOL'd at what you said about kids because there have been so many times that it would have been so much easier to use Pluto to explain my reasons why.) IP: Logged |
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posted December 23, 2012 01:59 PM
Does Pluto aspect anything Sorcha? Do you find the house Pluto lies in affected or no?IP: Logged |
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posted December 23, 2012 02:27 PM
I would not directly connect Pluto in the 5th house with the wish not to have children. Traditionally that is more the area of Saturn. Saturn in 5 might delay this, or not want this, or is under pressure from family to get children, or take it as a very serious decision,not lightly. Hannaraama, you have the ruler of your 5th house,which is Venus, square Saturn, an aspect that could have to do with your wish of no children. IP: Logged |
Sorcha
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posted December 24, 2012 12:02 PM
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Does Pluto aspect anything Sorcha? Do you find the house Pluto lies in affected or no?
Actually for me, Pluto does makes quite a few aspects, although a couple of them are minor ones. Let's see...Pluto squares Sun and Venus, trines Mercury, ASC and MC, sextiles Neptune, semi-squares Mars and biQuintiles Moon. I can say that I feel the minor aspects strongly when it comes to Pluto, but I also have a stationary direct Pluto so maybe that's why. I definitely feel the effects of Pluto being in the 5th house. The things ruled by the 5th are constantly Plutonified. (New word  ) IP: Logged |
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posted December 24, 2012 09:58 PM
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Actually for me, Pluto does makes quite a few aspects, although a couple of them are minor ones. Let's see...Pluto squares Sun and Venus, trines Mercury, ASC and MC, sextiles Neptune, semi-squares Mars and biQuintiles Moon.I can say that I feel the minor aspects strongly when it comes to Pluto, but I also have a stationary direct Pluto so maybe that's why. I definitely feel the effects of Pluto being in the 5th house. The things ruled by the 5th are constantly Plutonified. (New word )
Damn, Pluto aspects all of your stuff. What's your energy like around other people?! For the planets Pluto doesn't aspect, but that your Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars does - do you think the planet unaspected by Pluto is still affected by it anyway through the other planets? If so, how?
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posted December 26, 2012 02:06 PM
Um...I'm pretty intense I can be easygoing but I don't think anyone would ever call me that. I'm not sure if the unaspected planets are affected by Pluto... but I've always felt that Pluto has a greater effect on my chart than it might seem initially because of the fact that it's stationary direct. From other people I have spoken to with a SD Pluto, I have heard the same thing as well, so maybe in an indirect way that would be true.IP: Logged | |
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