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Jessica2407
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posted January 02, 2013 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is the difference between these three?How does each one affect us? How do we know what is our most powerful planet?


I know the chart ruler is the sign that rules the ascendant. But what if the ascendant house doesn't have any planets, does that make it weak?

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SaturnineMoth
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posted January 02, 2013 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnineMoth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chart ruler is the most powerful, and most Dominant you can see from checking your Pullen and Color charts @ astro.com

The fact your 1st house is empty doesn't make your chart ruler weak, but possibly having negative aspects made to it will... to some extent... you have to check where it is and what it is doing there... and also see if it is attached to your 1st house in any other way...

Mine is Mercury in Capricorn, it is a wee bit wide trine my Asc Node... it has no major negative aspects from any of the luminaries... therefore, I think it is safe to call it the most powerful in my chart... it is also one of my two most dominant planets... I'm very much Merc-Jupiter dominant. Both Pullen and Color concur on this... So, do I....

You are many things combined, so you might have more than one dominant planet or sign or element - it's best to look over the chart entirely, and check it against Pullen, or other calculations... to determine the dominants...

the dominant planet/chart ruling planet will show you where most of your focus in this life will or should be... based on house and what aspects it holds. So it is dependent on analyzing your entire chart to determine which and where its job is being done or neglected... and then to work on that area, and to find ways to strengthen the areas that are weak, or lacking attention... ^^;

There are so many things to look at though for planets really XD - and -- oh --- dont forget to count decans too!

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Jessica2407
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posted January 02, 2013 04:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Moth. Just bear with me for an instant

My ascendant is Capricorn so my chart ruler is Saturn. According to my pullen my first 3 dominant planets are Venus,(15.6%) Saturn (12.4%)and Sun (12.1%). My first 3 dominant signs are Leo, Libra and Scorpio in that order while Capricorn is at 7th position. How is that so? Btw What is a color chart??

I have no planets in my ascendant, my descendant is cancer while most of my personal planets, namely venus,mercury,sun,saturn are in Leo which is according to astro is my 7th house. Mars in virgo, Jupiter in taurus. Aspects to Saturn is Saturn conjunction Sun, mercury and venus
however it is also square uranus and chiron and sextile pluto. Is that considered an afflicted Saturn?

Aspects to venus are :
Venus Conjunction Mercury
Venus Conjunction Saturn
Venus Trine Neptune
Venus Sextile Pluto
Venus Square True Node

is that an afflicted venus? how do you determine when a planet is afflicted? which one is stronger? Sorry if my questions sound stupid.

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SaturnineMoth
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posted January 02, 2013 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnineMoth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of the ways they determine the strength of a dominant planet is by the number of aspects it makes~
Your Venus must make more aspects over all ^^ as it would seem~
dominant and chart ruler are two different things though~
Saturn is still going to be a powerful influence over the way you handle the rest of your chart - (as a Cap sun, I always say he's a strict master but he rewards us well) ^^

I'm Virgo Asc, Merc chart ruled -
Pullen places Jupiter before Mercury and then the Moon follows (which I don't agree with or understand at all btw, so yeah ~ this is their calculations though, and the formula they use is by no means going to be the only one out there, or be counted on to thoroughly encompass all factors in determining the value of each object)
The colour horoscope is offered in the free chart section on the 4th page ---- you have to sign up to use it though I believe - I'd link but it just requests me to sign in each time lol sorry~
You may get slightly different results with Colour than Pullen
My Colour places Mercury before Jupiter then Saturn in 3rd ~ basically my top 5 are all interchangeable ---
But, I have my Sun in the 3rd decan of Capricorn - Virgo/Mercury --- and my Asc is in the 1st decan --- so Mercury is strengthened again - and I don't think that either Pullen or Color take this into consideration... so it is important to research and find other methods of calculating which is more dominant... still - Pullen and Color are good for narrowing things down, right...?

Venus and Libra are also strong for you because you are 7h sun - Libra is the traditional ruler of the 7th!
So you are a Saturn ruled Venus dominant~!!

The only affliction I see is the squaw with Uranus and Chiron - but Uranus is generational - you will share those troubles with your generation - Chiron may cause you some hurt, but you will learn from it and help others heal with what you learn and know... The location, the houses they fall in will tell you what area you should work on, and where you will see them play out...
Your Venus is far from afflicted i'd say~ The square to North Node may take some time to understand and work with though... (I have Venus opposite North Node, I can relate a bit)

Nono your questions are normal! I'm still in my questioning stage as well! haha XD

Determining affliction is a matter of observing the effects of the aspect as they play out in your life, and getting familiar with where they are and how they work so you will be able to see them i action, and when needed confront the issues... imho

I may not be doing well explaining things myself - but I'm sure there's someone who can make more sense of things who will be around anytime now~! ^^
Everyone's been a real help in my understanding of these things, and as much as I'd like to pay it forward~ haha I'm not the best for explaining set patterns (Mercury makes my mind wander rapidly and aimlessly sometimes! haha)
sawwy~ ^^

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RedScorp
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posted January 02, 2013 06:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your chart ruler is the planet ruling your ascendant.

Dominant and most powerful pretty much mean the same thing: the planet that is the most active and prevalent in your personality. Having many placements in the signs/houses that planet rules (especially if it's in domicile), plus many aspects (especially to the Sun, Ascendant, or conjunction to the other angles) leads to a strengthening of that planet.

For me, my chart ruler is the Sun (Leo rising), but Pluto is along with it for dominant planets. I have four Scorpio planets, including Pluto itself while my Sun is angular (conjunct the IC) and I have two planets in the fifth house. Three of my Scorpio placements make squares to my two Leo placements, so there's lots of energy flowing between the two signs.

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foxxyxo
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posted January 02, 2013 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for foxxyxo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what about when pullen on astro.com thinks saturn is my number one dominate planet, yet it makes absolutely no aspects in my chart....im a cap sun so i guess thats why they did that?

nobody ever thinks im a cappy tho ^_^

my saturn is in aquarius tho and aquarius is
supppsedly my second dominant sign and planet ruler so maybe maybe thats the answer why im not very cappy...aries rising also!!!!

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StacyLewis
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posted January 02, 2013 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StacyLewis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by foxxyxo:
what about when pullen on astro.com thinks saturn is my number one dominate planet, yet it makes absolutely no aspects in my chart....im a cap sun so i guess thats why they did that?

nobody ever thinks im a cappy tho ^_^

my saturn is in aquarius tho and aquarius is
supppsedly my second dominant sign and planet ruler so maybe maybe thats the answer why im not very cappy...aries rising also!!!!


Do you have planets in the tenth house? Because Pullen factors the houses into it. For example, I have four planets in the eighth, so Scorpio shows up as my second most dominant sign.

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foxxyxo
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posted January 02, 2013 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for foxxyxo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yea i have sun, uranus, neptune in 10th
merc and mars in 9th
venus and pluto 8th
moon 7th
saturn in 11th

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foxxyxo
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posted January 02, 2013 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for foxxyxo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so i guess its cause i have 3 planets in 10th? idk how confusing lol i would have thought sagittarius would be pretty dominate becAuse my jupiter makes aspects to all my sag placements, trines my sun and makes aspect to my chart ruler mars

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Lunae
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posted January 02, 2013 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lunae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My dominant planets are Pluto, Mercury (chart ruler) and the Sun. I wonder why not mars, though. It's nearly in exact conjunction with pluto and slightly conjunct the sun and it looks more aspected to me than Pluto.

My dominant signs would be Scorpio, Libra and Leo. I don't understand why Leo is in the top 3 when the I only have one planet (jupiter) in that sign.

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ail221
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posted January 02, 2013 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you change the house system of your pullen chart your dominants also change.

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Jessica2407
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posted January 02, 2013 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SaturnineMoth:
One of the ways they determine the strength of a dominant planet is by the number of aspects it makes~
Your Venus must make more aspects over all ^^ as it would seem~
dominant and chart ruler are two different things though~
Saturn is still going to be a powerful influence over the way you handle the rest of your chart - (as a Cap sun, I always say he's a strict master but he rewards us well) ^^

I'm Virgo Asc, Merc chart ruled -
Pullen places Jupiter before Mercury and then the Moon follows (which I don't agree with or understand at all btw, so yeah ~ this is their calculations though, and the formula they use is by no means going to be the only one out there, or be counted on to thoroughly encompass all factors in determining the value of each object)
The colour horoscope is offered in the free chart section on the 4th page ---- you have to sign up to use it though I believe - I'd link but it just requests me to sign in each time lol sorry~
You may get slightly different results with Colour than Pullen
My Colour places Mercury before Jupiter then Saturn in 3rd ~ basically my top 5 are all interchangeable ---
But, I have my Sun in the 3rd decan of Capricorn - Virgo/Mercury --- and my Asc is in the 1st decan --- so Mercury is strengthened again - and I don't think that either Pullen or Color take this into consideration... so it is important to research and find other methods of calculating which is more dominant... still - Pullen and Color are good for narrowing things down, right...?

Venus and Libra are also strong for you because you are 7h sun - Libra is the traditional ruler of the 7th!
So you are a Saturn ruled Venus dominant~!!

The only affliction I see is the squaw with Uranus and Chiron - but Uranus is generational - you will share those troubles with your generation - Chiron may cause you some hurt, but you will learn from it and help others heal with what you learn and know... The location, the houses they fall in will tell you what area you should work on, and where you will see them play out...
Your Venus is far from afflicted i'd say~ The square to North Node may take some time to understand and work with though... (I have Venus opposite North Node, I can relate a bit)

Nono your questions are normal! I'm still in my questioning stage as well! haha XD

Determining affliction is a matter of observing the effects of the aspect as they play out in your life, and getting familiar with where they are and how they work so you will be able to see them i action, and when needed confront the issues... imho

I may not be doing well explaining things myself - but I'm sure there's someone who can make more sense of things who will be around anytime now~! ^^
Everyone's been a real help in my understanding of these things, and as much as I'd like to pay it forward~ haha I'm not the best for explaining set patterns (Mercury makes my mind wander rapidly and aimlessly sometimes! haha)
sawwy~ ^^


no, you've done a good job explaining actually ..colour chart says Sun,venus and.....Chiron!!!

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inaworldofsong
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posted January 02, 2013 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for inaworldofsong     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a Taurus Rising, so my chart ruler is Venus, but Venus is in detriment in Scorpio AND opposing my ASC.

My dominant planet is Pluto by a long shot, then Saturn, then Mercury. Venus comes in 4th when ranked by Pullen.

So I'm not even ruled by personal planets.

(And that Venus placement has always struck me as really weird...)

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bridgetostars23
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posted January 03, 2013 04:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bridgetostars23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you guys/gals select "additional objects" as well when making this calculation? Because for me it changes the results.

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Jessica2407
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posted January 03, 2013 04:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bridgetostars23:
Do you guys/gals select "additional objects" as well when making this calculation? Because for me it changes the results.

Just tried that. Results are slightly different. Venus is still the most dominant, except there is a tie between Sun and Saturn for the 2nd most dominant.

As for the most powerful sign, Leo and Libra is still first and second, but Taurus is the 3rd and Scorpio the 4th.

I think, (this is me thinking out loud,so that's my personal opinion) Saturn has its own powerforce in a chart,whether it is heavily aspected or not, an inherited aspect due to past lives actions and in relation to lessons that need to be learnt in this lifetime, that 'takes over' a person chart at a specific point of time irrespective of it being your dominant planet/chart ruler. At that specific time the other planets kinda take a back seat or aid in whatever 'plans' Saturn has in store for us.

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