posted January 03, 2013 09:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
Scorpio or 8th house influence

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I feel like that's an easy out though. Any time someone is good at seeing beneath the surface, we're quick to say "Scorpio!" "Pluto!" "8th house!" (Not dogging on you Dreaming, I appreciate any input) but surely there are more possibilities than just these three? Something to do with the Moon, or Mars?

ETA: I was doing some brief reading online and came up with some other aspects or planets involved -

Mercury/Mars
Mercury/Pluto
Mercury/Neptune (however I think this one is borderline)

posted January 03, 2013 09:36 AM            

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Originally posted by watermonkey:
This is very true, growing up, most of my good friends and people that i get along really well are libra suns but the passive aggressive nature of them especially for their own benefits can be quite irritating like how they are nice yet manipulating you subtly. Though most of the time i am already one step ahead of them, and they do know that but they are just hoping to get you offguard. Well i dont know what aspects ables me to detect it though lol..

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posted January 03, 2013 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by stellar_moon:
Pluto is very strong in my chart and I am obsessed with the truth and I cannot stand being lied to....I've lived and dated with enough air signs that I can smell it a MILE away. Mostly Gemini's, but I am with a Libra right now and he can be very passive aggressive. It's when air signs sweet talk me I know something is up. I don't know how many air signs have said to me "you are just paranoid. you are crazy" when confronted with truth and they will believe their own words and defend them until basically you leave completely without closure for yourself. The ones I know will never own up to their lies. Not saying its true for ALL air signs, just from my experience

I have Mercury square Mars, Mercury trine Uranus and Neptune, Pluto is in my 1st house. Once I am certain about the truth, there is nothing that can be said to change it. I feel like I am deceiving/abandoning the self if I am living in an illusion. The term "ignorance is bliss" does NOT apply with me.

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OH. A first house Pluto... I'm an honest person but first house Plutos always intimidate me. So intense. I have Mercury square Pluto and Saturn, and Moon opposition Pluto. I didn't think I had any Mercury/Mars aspects but it turns out I have Mercury sextile Mars. Mercury in Aries in the 11H and Mars in Gemini in the 12H.

posted January 03, 2013 12:28 PM            

Similar Mercuries. (You'd be surprised how many Fire Mercuries have accused Air Mercuries of utter BSing,despite the sextile perks) = they understand each other and therefore able to detect any deviation and be bored/disappointed with that.

posted January 03, 2013 12:31 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Squaring synastry. Not necessarily within the orb.

Similar Mercuries. (You'd be surprised how many Fire Mercuries have accused Air Mercuries of utter BSing,despite the sextile perks) = they understand each other and therefore able to detect any deviation and be bored/disappointed with that.

Scorpios do have certain rep,but I haven't met a Scorpio who'd stung a Gemini,I guess they are good when dealing with... Amateurs

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LOL.

posted January 03, 2013 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Yes,words of endearment Got it

Cynical,sceptic people are also good at this,if we go by natal energy only. Think Saturn.

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Another good idea for Venus: 5
Stupid question Hanna could've figured out on her own: 0.

posted January 03, 2013 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by stellar_moon:
Pluto is very strong in my chart and I am obsessed with the truth and I cannot stand being lied to....

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The same goes for me. I am a Scorpio with Pluto in the 1st house, Mercury in Libra and Mercury conjunct Mars (in fact, no redeeming qualities at all - perhaps they all cancel each other out).

Honesty to me is of paramount importance. It is, unfortunately, me who gets lied to. Sometimes I feel the only person I deceive is myself.

posted January 03, 2013 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
What planet would probably be aspected? I'm assuming Pluto is involved, but wondering if it's necessary in order to be able to sense these things.

I ask because I can always tell when Libra guys are lying or BSing or being passive aggressive even when everyone else believes them, but I don't have this same ability when talking to some other suns like Virgo and Leo. Is it just that Libras are bad BSers, or is there something super duper special to look for?

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CROSS MY HEART:
pluto in the 8th natal
pluto/mercury natal
pluto/sun natal
all water sign moons natal
neptune/mercury natal

I hope i dont really hurt anyones feelings but "most" libras unless they have strong pluto, saturn or neptune aspects with a good moon, come off flaky fickle and fakish always wanna please you like just go away and tell someone else something they cant see through... ughhhhh i cant stand it with a passion cause i'm attacted to bluntsweet realness.

my personal thoughts,
people that hang around libras have low self esteem.

posted January 03, 2013 05:59 PM            

Otherwise, very difficult to fool as any inconsistency stands out like a blinking light on a dark evening.

Libras for example, can be such charming liars.

posted January 04, 2013 12:03 AM            

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Originally posted by JLyn ~:
CROSS MY HEART:
pluto in the 8th natal
pluto/mercury natal
pluto/sun natal
all water sign moons natal
neptune/mercury natal

I hope i dont really hurt anyones feelings but "most" libras unless they have strong pluto, saturn or neptune aspects with a good moon, come off flaky fickle and fakish always wanna please you like just go away and tell someone else something they cant see through... ughhhhh i cant stand it with a passion cause i'm attacted to bluntsweet realness.

my personal thoughts,
people that hang around libras have low self esteem.

But thats just my experiences with every libra i've ever came in contact with

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posted January 04, 2013 12:33 AM            

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Honesty to me is of paramount importance. It is, unfortunately, me who gets lied to. Sometimes I feel the only person I deceive is myself.

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I thought that same thing the other day myself.

posted January 04, 2013 12:38 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Stupid question Hanna could've figured out on her own: 0.

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Stupid?! Not really,no. Your threads generate lots of discussion,you should keep them coming.
I personally don't like romance-only threads we easily fall into Wider scope of things,yeah!

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I have Moon trine Saturn, Mercury square Saturn, Saturn in Capricorn in the 7H, Sun square Saturn, Venus square Saturn. Saturn conj. Uranus and Neptune, and sextile Pluto in the 5th.

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Mature energy,but there can be still room for variations: infamous Arian short fuse Being impatient and no-nonsense can lead to this type of talents. Another possibility,anyway

posted January 04, 2013 12:51 AM            

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Libra suns and they do that thing where they're very verbally accommodating and yet screwing you over at the same time. And I know this is what they're doing but it's hard to outright prove!

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posted January 04, 2013 07:51 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
All the Libras I know DO have Scorpio in their personal planets or as an ASC.

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Knew a libra guy with a scorpio moon. He highly appreciated women, so it appeared. But his libra sun mercury and ASC over powered the depth of his scorpio moon
=the lies
=he always broke promises
=the fake comments he used
=no shown emotions unless $$$