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Topic: When malefic planets are afflicted...
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 3134 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 07, 2013 07:49 AM
is that a good thing?For example, Neptune opposes my Mars. Does that make my Mars chill out? IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 1131 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 08, 2013 01:01 AM
Good question.In the example you give, Neptune squaring doesn't make your mars chill. It makes your mars confused. Mars still tries to go about doing Martians things, but it does them in an erratic or confusing fashion, and it doesn't really hit the mark. IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 1131 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 08, 2013 01:03 AM
But it's a great position for talent with unusual or weird or nebulus kind of dancing. :-)IP: Logged |
StacyLewis Knowflake Posts: 368 From: Registered: Oct 2012
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posted January 08, 2013 01:11 AM
quote: Originally posted by Belage: But it's a great position for talent with unusual or weird or nebulus kind of dancing. :-)
Actually Mercury is dancing, and all the most talented dancers have certain astrological signatures involving that planet and Neptune, or have inner planets or luminaries in the signs Mercury rules (Virgo, Gemini). "Unusual" and "weird" are also Uranian characteristics, not a Neptunian ones. To answer the thread question, having malefic planets afflicted plays out like an affliction to any other planet. It's still an affliction. Mars in aspect to Neptune could mean that you express your anger in a Neptunian way in the negative sense...I'm thinking passive-aggression, or using deceit as a weapon. IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 1131 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 08, 2013 03:20 AM
I have a hard time thinking of dancing as under the dominion of Mercury. Mercury relates to mental faculties and communication while dancing relates to physical, actually athletic abilities, which as far as I am concerned are under Mars. Of course, dance is used to express a variety of emotions so Mercury could come into the dancing, but the moon could also play the same role. But basically, good dancers are athletes. I looked up the chart of famous dancers who were not singers, Maurice Bejart, Bob Fosse, Mikhail Barishnikov, Rudolf Nureyev, Margot fonteyne, etc, and Mars is strongly aspected and pretty prominent in their charts. IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 1131 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 08, 2013 03:23 AM
I do agree that unusual and weird are Uranian characteristics, but when Neptune afflicts, weird and unusual things do happen because Neptune gives a confusing pictures of reality. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 4661 From: Surfing Kite. Seriously. Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 08, 2013 03:56 AM
quote: Originally posted by Belage: I have a hard time thinking of dancing as under the dominion of Mercury. Mercury relates to mental faculties and communication while dancing relates to physical, actually athletic abilities, which as far as I am concerned are under Mars.
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Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 2323 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted January 08, 2013 09:03 AM
I think when malefic planets are afflicted, it makes their energy even more 'malefic'.I'd rather have flowing aspects to Mars and Saturn, but I don't; it's not the end of the world, but it does make things related to that planet difficult. Mars opposite Neptune makes me think of a difficulty regulating anger, trying to repress angry or resentful feelings, unstable energy levels, and maybe some difficulties in sexuality which could be related to unsatisfied desires or a need to escape.
On the positive side, it can definitely give a strong imagination and creative abilities. Actors/musicians often have Mars/Neptune going on. Basically actions (Mars) are related to fantasy (Neptune) = acting, creating, telling stories, etc.
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Jessica2407 Knowflake Posts: 223 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted January 08, 2013 09:24 AM
When do malefic planets get afflicted? I thought when benefic planets are in hard aspects with Malefics then it means they are afflicted but how malefics turn out to be afflicted? Is it relation with their placements or if in detriment?What if a malefic planet is in its exaltation state? what happens then? Planets in exalted state is always linked to good effects but can an exalted planet be afflicted too? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 245 From: Registered: Nov 2012
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posted January 08, 2013 12:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: is that a good thing?For example, Neptune opposes my Mars. Does that make my Mars chill out?
I haven't noticed it being a great thing. You are talking about two malefic planets in tense aspect to one another, like conjunction, opp or square?Mars opp Neptune does not neutralize Mars. I notice the conjunction makes it difficult for the person who has it to see the impact of their actions on others. They can behave in a rash, overbearing way and not realize that it's a problem. Neptune creates these situations where the person is in denial a great deal of the time and cannot see how something as the worst it can be. There's justifying and rationalizing instead of accepting they must tone down their actions some. Like, if someone with Mars opp Neptune gets in a fight with someone else, they might think it's okay because the other guy deserved what he got even if it is the person with Mars and Neptune who started the fight. Always the other guy's fault in the eyes of Mars/Neptune, even when it isn't, so the action is justified. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 245 From: Registered: Nov 2012
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posted January 08, 2013 12:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407: When do malefic planets get afflicted? I thought when benefic planets are in hard aspects with Malefics then it means they are afflicted but how malefics turn out to be afflicted? Is it relation with their placements or if in detriment?What if a malefic planet is in its exaltation state? what happens then? Planets in exalted state is always linked to good effects but can an exalted planet be afflicted too?
A planet that is thought to be malefic to astrologers can be afflicted by other malefics (like Mars square Saturn, classic example) afflicted by benefics (like Venus square Mars) or in a state of detriment by house or sign placement (like Saturn in Cancer.)An exalted planet can handle a tense aspect a little better than one which is not, or in detriment by house or sign placement (some planets can be in accidental detriment by house as well, cadent houses are considered weakest unless the planet is exalted or rules therein.) Even if a planet is exalted, a tense aspect like a conjunction or opp from a malefic can still mean bad news. Awareness is the key. Astrology can make people aware of these situations. I see charts of people who have met with bad fortune or died early and I can see it in their charts. If only someone taught them astrology and they applied it to their life. Then they would, at least, have the opportunity to do something about it. Don't know how much fate plays into these matters. Maybe some of them know about astrology and bad stuff happens anyway? Like with a car wreck. Most people cannot get by without driving and you can sorta predict when bad stuff might happen with transits and the natal, but you can never prevent fate from happening entirely. The only thing you can do is watch for tense times and try to avoid whatever it is. Like, maybe drive less during a tense transit period.
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Jessica2407 Knowflake Posts: 223 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted January 08, 2013 01:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Jessica2407: [b] When do malefic planets get afflicted? I thought when benefic planets are in hard aspects with Malefics then it means they are afflicted but how malefics turn out to be afflicted? Is it relation with their placements or if in detriment?What if a malefic planet is in its exaltation state? what happens then? Planets in exalted state is always linked to good effects but can an exalted planet be afflicted too?
A planet that is thought to be malefic to astrologers can be afflicted by other malefics (like Mars square Saturn, classic example) afflicted by benefics (like Venus square Mars) or in a state of detriment by house or sign placement (like Saturn in Cancer.)An exalted planet can handle a tense aspect a little better than one which is not, or in detriment by house or sign placement (some planets can be in accidental detriment by house as well, cadent houses are considered weakest unless the planet is exalted or rules therein.) Even if a planet is exalted, a tense aspect like a conjunction or opp from a malefic can still mean bad news. Awareness is the key. Astrology can make people aware of these situations. I see charts of people who have met with bad fortune or died early and I can see it in their charts. If only someone taught them astrology and they applied it to their life. Then they would, at least, have the opportunity to do something about it. Don't know how much fate plays into these matters. Maybe some of them know about astrology and bad stuff happens anyway? Like with a car wreck. Most people cannot get by without driving and you can sorta predict when bad stuff might happen with transits and the natal, but you can never prevent fate from happening entirely. The only thing you can do is watch for tense times and try to avoid whatever it is. Like, maybe drive less during a tense transit period. [/B][/QUOTE] IP: Logged |
12thhouser Knowflake Posts: 740 From: Registered: Feb 2012
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posted January 08, 2013 01:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by Belage: Good question.In the example you give, Neptune squaring doesn't make your mars chill. It makes your mars confused. Mars still tries to go about doing Martians things, but it does them in an erratic or confusing fashion, and it doesn't really hit the mark.
Except the example Faith gave was Neptune opposing Mars, not squaring.
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Belage Knowflake Posts: 1131 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 09, 2013 02:53 PM
^^^ You're right. That was Neptune confusing me. Lol. IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion Knowflake Posts: 1232 From: PA, USA Registered: Apr 2012
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posted January 09, 2013 05:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: I think when malefic planets are afflicted, it makes their energy even more 'malefic'.Mars opposite Neptune makes me think of a difficulty regulating anger, trying to repress angry or resentful feelings, unstable energy levels, and maybe some difficulties in sexuality which could be related to unsatisfied desires or a need to escape. On the positive side, it can definitely give a strong imagination and creative abilities. Actors/musicians often have Mars/Neptune going on. Basically actions (Mars) are related to fantasy (Neptune) = acting, creating, telling stories, etc.
This is definitely true. I have the opposition. 8H Mars in Cancer 29 dg. opp 2H Neptune-Uranus in Cap... I actually am a very good dancer and did advanced river dance for like 7 years. But I actually see it as more of an outlet for other creative things. The actions = fantasy is really true. I feel like I push all of my darker and more destructive ways and experiences into creativity, telling stories and doing paintings that have 8th house qualities. IP: Logged |