posted January 11, 2013 01:41 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
In the last 4 years,I have read plenty of stuffs regarding placements,signs,aspects and synastry.I have found people saying “my ex had this placement,I will never date another person with this placement again”.I have found myself saying“he WILL do this because he has this aspect”.Another one would be “I am a scorpio asc.,I am supposed to stare untill my eyeballs pop out,I am scorpio asc.,I am supposed to keep poker face...dont laugh..dont show that expression..keep that poker face”.I also found myself thinking“oh this person has aqua moon,has no feelings” which ultimately made me behave with the person like how you would behave with a feelingless person.I felt it modified my behaviours and feelings.How do you guys avoid getting brainwashed?

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When I first started studying astrology, I would ask everyone I know for their birth information to see what their chart would say. After I realised my perceptions of people weren't genuine, I told myself to wait to get to know em first. I also mainly used natal charts to figure out people I knew well.

posted January 11, 2013 01:43 AM            

Something I keep in mind is, anything you read about astrology-wise was written through the lens/filter of the author's own chart. I mentioned that on another forum once, and it really set off some people. Others felt what I was saying was accurate, and that those people who were set off had some insecurity that they used astrology to make up for it. So, touch a nerve and subsequently unearth the buried insecurity.

posted January 11, 2013 01:47 AM            

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Originally posted by goatcat:
When I first started studying astrology, I would ask everyone I know for their birth information to see what their chart would say. After I realised my perceptions of people weren't genuine, I told myself to wait to get to know em first. I also mainly used natal charts to figure out people I knew well.

I purposely don't get into synstry.

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posted January 11, 2013 01:49 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Thats why I also dont get into synastry,I fear that it will change the way I view that person.

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posted January 11, 2013 01:59 AM            

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Originally posted by happyaskings:
I just keep in mind that people are not soley their charts. The chart is the skeleton of a person if you will, but there are MANY other things that make them who they are such as enviornment, upbringing, etc. How they react to these things and what they choose to do with it makes them the person they really are. Astrology is just a way to scratch the surface and help you understand them a little better. Judging a person by their chart is like judging a book by its cover.

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posted January 11, 2013 02:44 AM            

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Originally posted by goatcat:
This is a great topic.

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posted January 11, 2013 03:18 AM            

If you feel it is deluding your mind, take action.

It is sometimes very skecthy as there are many other evident factors that determine a persons personality.

posted January 11, 2013 03:26 AM            

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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
I'm a scorp rising and I don't stare until my eyes pop out. Most people wouldnt be able to guess my asc based on pictures. I don't look very Scorpio IMO so I don't think I play it up.

Not gona lie it does kinda kill me *sometimes* that I automatically relate everything to astrology. Like people's characteristics aren't just unique or erratic. I usually think I can figure out where it's coming from. Which is a blessing and a curse. I can't even get through a TV show without guessing someone's placements and proceeding to google it. But astrology does help me understand myself and the undercurrents so I can use my free will. And whenever I find out someone who I don't really get along withs birthday/chart it always makes me see it differently and I no longer feel the same tension. Bc now I know where it's coming from

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posted January 11, 2013 03:30 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
I also "hated" finding out about Scorpio placements, dominance. I feel I played up to them for a time.

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posted January 11, 2013 03:49 AM            

One example is that me and my mom both have a Leo ascendant, and we show it in very different ways, partially based on our other placements and also based on our life experiences. She takes pride in being able to manipulate men into doing her bidding and will regale you with tales of her "glory days" from having been a model while thinking there must be something wrong for me that I can't be a model or get a man to "take care of" me. I, OTOH, take pride in being independent, am wary of a man (especially if I don't know him well) who does too much for me, and consider what Mom endured as a model to be demeaning rather than something to brag about, and have literally met prostitutes that I think had more dignity & self-respect than she did as a model. In short, Mom takes a Leonine pride in being a trophy and considers it demeaning to provide for herself while I take a Leonine pride (much like an actual lioness) in winning my own trophies and would consider it demeaning to depend on the goodwill of others as if I wasn't able to take care of myself. (Whereas Mom would LOVE to marry into royalty if she could, I sympathized strongly with Merida in Brave when she responded to being ordered to marry into royalty with, "I am Mérida. Firstborn descendant of Clan DunBroch. And I'll be shooting for my own hand!" & "I don't want my life to be over, I want my freedom!")

Of course despite how we both find very different things to take pride in (and cringe thinking of being like the other) we still more or less conform to it in the more subtle ways, though I have put out effort to not be so dogmatic and to learn from other points of views and give them equal consideration rather than try to "win" (even at the expense of the truth) as a Leo ascendant likes to do, which wasn't easy (and I'll always have to struggle with it a little), but I did it (I wonder how much my Libra placements made it possible, however).

posted January 11, 2013 03:51 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I learned it the hard way,chased away a girl by acting all the negative traits of my scorpio placements.I always hear two voices,one says"hey dont act like that"..another one says"but you are supposed to act like that".

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I was text book venus Pluto when I was young. Testy, manipulative, etc..

posted January 11, 2013 08:04 AM            

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I also found myself thinking“oh this person has aqua moon,has no feelings” which ultimately made me behave with the person like how you would behave with a feelingless person

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posted January 11, 2013 08:09 AM            

Do I screen others based on it? Not really, barring one particular set of aspects to a specific planet - and even then, only when it's present with other things that have nothing to do with astrology. I do that because of personal experience...I've seen it work out that way too many times. So when I see those indicators, I do avoid those specific people, but it's criteria that the vast majority of the population doesn't fit into anyway so it's not really an issue.

About how much of a chart is the actual person...I'm going to be the dark horse again, and say that really, nine times out of ten, people are their chart and act that out - even when they make a conscious effort, not to. It's like putting on a record that was made to play one specific song, and then getting confused when the totally different song that you want to hear, doesn't start playing.

I think that what a lot of people forget when they're analyzing a chart, is just how many different things each planet symbolizes, so there's so many potential ways an aspect can manifest itself. When you start to take that into account and then study people and their choices, is when you realize that everyone always adheres to what their chart is in one form or another.

I know it's an unpopular viewpoint, but when you really take the time to think about it in that regard...we really are at the mercy of fate, we just get a lot of wiggle room. But even with all that wiggle room you're still going to operate within the set of rules you're given or the particular path and skill-set you've been assigned - that's your natal chart.

But again - all the planets symbolize so many things, and when you start combining them to get aspects...that's a hell of a lot of wiggle-room so that we can all do a lot with what we're given and have a lot of choices. And as some have pointed out, each of the planets also has a positive and negative potential manifestation too so you also get the choice of whether you want to use what you've been given in a positive or negative way.

posted January 11, 2013 10:59 AM            

But I do have certain expectations which are usually confirmed.

For instance, one of my friends is a Cancer with a Cap moon. For a while, before I ever looked at her chart, I was kind of confused about how a Cancer could have her emotions controlled so much. Rather than trying to "find" the confirmation that she was emotional, I just went with the flow. Like, "Okay, she's a rather stoical Cancer."

I didn't interact with her any differently after I found out she has a Cap moon, I just said "Aha! Astrology is right again!" and she and I continued on as usual.

PS Eventually she did show more obvious signs of being a Cancer sun, though.

posted January 11, 2013 04:01 PM            

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
No, I'm not really brainwashed by astrology. I don't try to "act like" a Leo, because I strutting around like a peacock before I even knew my sun sign, or that astrology even existed. That was innate.

Do I screen others based on it? Not really, barring one particular set of aspects to a specific planet - and even then, only when it's present with other things that have nothing to do with astrology. I do that because of personal experience...I've seen it work out that way too many times. So when I see those indicators, I do avoid those specific people, but it's criteria that the vast majority of the population doesn't fit into anyway so it's not really an issue.

About how much of a chart is the actual person...I'm going to be the dark horse again, and say that really, nine times out of ten, people are their chart and act that out - even when they make a conscious effort, not to. It's like putting on a record that was made to play one specific song, and then getting confused when the totally different song that you want to hear, doesn't start playing.

I think that what a lot of people forget when they're analyzing a chart, is just how many different things each planet symbolizes, so there's so many potential ways an aspect can manifest itself. When you start to take that into account and then study people and their choices, is when you realize that everyone always adheres to what their chart is in one form or another.

I know it's an unpopular viewpoint, but when you really take the time to think about it in that regard...we really are at the mercy of fate, we just get a lot of wiggle room. But even with all that wiggle room you're still going to operate within the set of rules you're given or the particular path and skill-set you've been assigned - that's your natal chart.

But again - all the planets symbolize so many things, and when you start combining them to get aspects...that's a hell of a lot of wiggle-room so that we can all do a lot with what we're given and have a lot of choices. And as some have pointed out, each of the planets also has a positive and negative potential manifestation too so you also get the choice of whether you want to use what you've been given in a positive or negative way.

But to me saying that we have total free will and aren't our chart is akin to saying that two flies can mate and produce a horse.

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posted January 11, 2013 10:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am awake that we don´t know everything about the workings of astrology.
All we do is making educated guesses.

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Yes. There are a lot of shallow stereotypes floating around in astrology, which are mostly based on people's often biased assumptions.

For instance, not all husbands with Mars/Pluto are gonna be wife beaters! That's only one potential manifestation of an aspect like this. Maybe he's just good at understanding physical and mechanical things in-depth. Or has strong physical endurance. Or is bold and brave in crisis situations. Or is a good strategist. Or is just passionate in his relationships. It’s a big leap to say based on Mars/Pluto alone that a guy will most certainly be abusive. Stuff like that makes me want to tear my hair out. And people say it so flippantly, as if it were fact.

Another example. A strong Neptune person could be a spaced-out loser bum, an inspiring artist, a charitable humanitarian, or even just a compassionate friend... And yet it all comes from the same type of energy pattern. People have free will and we choose what to do with our energy. Two different people both with strong Neptune in their charts are entirely capable of taking very different life directions. They are not all liars as some people have claimed, nor are they always ‘white light and goodness’ either.