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Doux Rêve
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posted January 16, 2013 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a quick thread to remind you guys of attaction factors that aren't visible in synastry charts.


Sometimes we're attracted to someone even though the synastry isn't very steamy.. There are reasons for that, as you already know!

- First of course, the natal charts.

If two people have similar aspects/patterns natally, even if their synastry doesn't seem to be very heavy, they're likely to feel a certain way around each other. Say you have a Venus/Pluto aspect, someone with a strong Pluto may attract you, especially a Mars/Pluto person or someone with strong Scorpio/8th house influence.
Same goes for every other aspect, basically. The more similarity, the more attracted the two people are likely to feel. Sun/Saturn people with other Sun/Saturn folks or Capricorn influenced people, etc.


- Next: the progressed charts.

If person's A progressed Venus conjuncts person's B natal or progressed Mars, for example, attraction is likely to occur. Here again, better have a few exact aspects that go both ways, otherwise it may not be mutual. The orb is usually 1°. Personal planets, 5th and 7th house rulers as well as ASC/DSC and IC/MC axes are very important when looking for a potential relationship and/or attraction.


- And one very interesting thing I've noticed, is that transits are very powerful, too.

Say you don't have a Venus/Neptune aspect natally, but transit Neptune trines your Venus. There's this one person who has a Venus/Neptune trine natally, and you're attracted to them (and/or they're attracted to you) because at this point in time, you have similar vibes going on. It's basically like when your chart reflects someone else's chart, except that in this case transits trigger the whole thing. Again, if it goes both ways, the feeling is more likely to be mutual.
It can go further than that: say person A has a Pisces Moon, and person B has transiting Neptune conjunct/square/opposite their natal Moon; it can give a similar vibe (but it may not be that strong if person's A Neptune isn't very prominent natally).


If all these indicators are present when you meet someone, you're likely to be very, very attracted to them.. especially if the synastry supports it.


Hope this helps you figure out the "why"s of certain attractions you guys may have

Ps. Members like Ceridwen, Lotis White and others have of course mentioned these time and time again, so I'd like to thank them all for their ideas

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posted January 16, 2013 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Douxer wanna take a look at a couple of synastries for me? Prease? *puppy dog eyes* okie I can't make those. only Hussein can..

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posted January 16, 2013 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How cute, you mentioned me. It's like an honor!

Maybe I'll add some of my own stuff later.

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posted January 16, 2013 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
- sand,

Sure thing. Do you have a thread already or..? You can send them to me via e-mail or whatever.

- Lotis,

Haha well, you're very good at this, so.. Couldn't help but mention you

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posted January 16, 2013 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
- sand,

Sure thing. Do you have a thread already or..? You can send them to me via e-mail or whatever.

- Lotis,

Haha well, you're very good at this, so.. Couldn't help but mention you



http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/005591.html

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posted January 16, 2013 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

Sometimes we're attracted to someone even though the synastry isn't very steamy.. There are reasons for that, as you already know!

- First of course, the natal charts.

If two people have similar aspects/patterns natally, even if their synastry doesn't seem to be very heavy, they're likely to feel a certain way around each other. Say you have a Venus/Pluto aspect, someone with a strong Pluto may attract you, especially a Mars/Pluto person or someone with strong Scorpio/8th house influence.
Same goes for every other aspect, basically. The more similarity, the more attracted the two people are likely to feel. Sun/Saturn people with other Sun/Saturn folks or Capricorn influenced people, etc.


Say you don't have a Venus/Neptune aspect natally, but transit Neptune trines your Venus. There's this one person who has a Venus/Neptune trine natally, and you're attracted to them (and/or they're attracted to you) because at this point in time, you have similar vibes going on. It's basically like when your chart reflects someone else's chart, except that in this case transits trigger the whole thing. Again, if it goes both ways, the feeling is more likely to be mutual.
It can go further than that: say person A has a Pisces Moon, and person B has transiting Neptune conjunct/square/opposite their natal Moon; it can give a similar vibe (but it may not be that strong if person's A Neptune isn't very prominent natally).


If all these indicators are present when you meet someone, you're likely to be very, very attracted to them.. especially if the synastry supports it.


Hope this helps you figure out the "why"s of certain attractions you guys may have

Ps. Members like Ceridwen, Lotis White and others have of course mentioned these time and time again, so I'd like to thank them all for their ideas


These are all very good points. I focus so much on the house ruler synastry thing, that sometimes I forget to mention these. I think Ceri did an excellent thread recently about this type of scenario. For example, person with Saturn trine Venus falls for partner with Mars sextile Saturn.

The tricky thing is if the attraction is based on a temporary transit or progressed synastry, it might wear off at a later time. Having a Neptune/Venus transit and developing a temporary taste for Neptune influenced people can lead to later disillusionment when the transit fades. Same thing with progressed Mars/Venus or Sun/Venus... Once the progression has past the relationship might as well.

That's why I prefer attractions based on more then just transits and progressions. I like to see it in the natal synastry, and house ruler interactions as well. That way the attraction is not just a phase, but is solidly rooted in the permanent psychological, and energy make-up of the people involved. Although, even this is not a complete guarantee of lasting love it's certainly better then knowing that your relationship is likely to fade when a certain time frame passes... A certain progression or transit.

Transits and progressions are great for timing the potential beginning of a relationship though. I've read that progressed Sun/Venus synastry is very common when relationships start.

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posted January 16, 2013 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^Ditto!

I don't like seeing a super active progressed synastry that's not supported by a good natal synastry, either, because as you said, chances are the attraction will fade and the relationship will dissolve.

The Venus/Neptune thing is actually what happened to me! At first it was a great feeling and eventually it turned sour. Same with Moon/Neptune transit. In both cases, I had the aspect by transit and they had it natally.


Yes, Sun/Venus is quite popular when relationships start but I've also witnessed Venus/Mars and ASC conjunctions to either a planet or an angle.

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posted January 16, 2013 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe you'll find this useful http://sasstrology.com/2013/01/when-synastry-and-composite-charts-dont-agree.html

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posted January 16, 2013 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A yes to all reminders but a BIG YES to the progressions.

It's about the first thing I look for between charts and the weird thing is, it (almost) never seems to fail. Well, at least not with my own personal connections.

Some examples,

I have a *platonic* friend for 22 years now.
At this moment in life we are verrry close but there were times we almost didn't see each other. And what do we have now?
- his progressed Venus within 1 degr. in applying trine to my natal Sun.
- his progressed Mars within 1 degr. in appl. opposition to my natal Venus.

(through the years you definitely see a progressed pattern rising)

I already warned him for the likely upcoming 'separation' period .. although my P Venus then would be in an applying 5 degr. trine to his P Mars.

Now my love.
We met when his progressed Venus within 1 degr. conjunct appl. to my progr. Mars.
At the moment we're heading for the peak next month. But there's also a Sun/Venus trine coming up (within 3*), and more of that stuff (venus/mars/sun/asc.-desc./mc-ic etc.) the next 15 years.

Paul Westran thinks/feels the progressions are prob. even more telling than the synastry aspects.
And I think he could very well have a point with this.

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posted January 16, 2013 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stellar_moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know this isn't western astrology, but what about Chinese astrology? Now while my b/f and my charts synastry and composite and first meeting has a venus conjunct saturn theme going on and not much else, our Chinese signs are Rat and Dragon, one of the best matches you can get for that. I LOVE Dragons, my little brother is one, I fell in love with a man before I met my b/f who is a Dragon also.

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posted January 16, 2013 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^it's the polarity.. Yin or yang that make you 2 compatible. If u r both yin u will understand each other both yang same..

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posted January 16, 2013 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aeline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Sun Saturn square (Sun in Libra, Saturn in Capricorn) , i don't get along well with Capricorns, i don't even like them!

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posted January 17, 2013 01:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aeline:
I have a Sun Saturn square (Sun in Libra, Saturn in Capricorn) , i don't get along well with Capricorns, i don't even like them!

What sign is your Saturn in, how do you feel about that sign.

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posted January 17, 2013 01:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

Ps. Members like Ceridwen, Lotis White and others have of course mentioned these time and time again, so I'd like to thank them all for their ideas


I feel very honoured by this mentioning. Thank you.

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posted January 17, 2013 01:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DR,

"If two people have similar aspects/patterns natally, even if their synastry doesn't seem to be very heavy, they're likely to feel a certain way around each other."
yes, though lately it seems to me, that while this make for an important underlying resonance, if there are no important synastric aspects, this will lie dormant. it`s like you need actual aspects for something to "happen".

However, often if it is the same natal aspect (in the same phase) it will come up in the composite again, even though there might be no synastric aspect:

Ex.:
Me: Venus-square Pluto
Him: Venus square Pluto

no synastric aspect between Venus and Pluto

composite: Venus square Pluto

"And one very interesting thing I've noticed, is that transits are very powerful, too."
Yes, I agree. Especially outer planets transits (from Jupiter on) seem to shape our expression for a certain time, and thus make for a - temporary- resonance with that symbolism.

Also, transits will activate certain synastric or composite aspects and pull them into focus.

I also seem to notice that no matter how wonderful the synastry is, if there are no progressions (and/ or transits) to set it off, there might be no "action"; the relationship might not get off the ground,d espite its great potential.

However, i also agree with Lotiswhite, a relationship that is only based on progressions but has weak basic synastry probably will not work out in the long term (though there are some cases of perpetual progressions that span many years).


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posted January 17, 2013 01:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aeline:
I have a Sun Saturn square (Sun in Libra, Saturn in Capricorn) , i don't get along well with Capricorns, i don't even like them!


Well, being in resonance with Saturn, does not mean you like every Capricorn.


Also, is Sun part of your rrelationshipprofile?
ruler of 5th, 7th, 8th house or posited in these houses?

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posted January 17, 2013 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When it comes to houses in attraction, one of the important points I always want to emphasize is that it’s important to pay attention to what house RULER is doing and not just the signs on the cusps themselves.

The ruler of your Dsc, and it’s position by house, sign and aspect will contribute to your attraction pattern as well. Other houses associated with romantic attraction are the 5th and the 8th houses… Also by the sign on the cusp AND it’s ruler position by house, sign and aspect. Most people are attracted to a combination of these various 5th, 7th, and 8th house energies in their charts. The Vertex Axis is also very telling along with the asteroid Juno.

In my case I’ve got a Sagittarius Asc, with Gemini on the Dsc. Sagittarius people usually attract me more then Gemini, but that’s because Mercury ruling my Dsc is in Sagittarius, and Jupiter is in the 7th house. Juno is in Sagittarius as well. Occasionally I do find myself pulled in by someone with important Gemini planets in line with my Dsc sign… Especially if the person has other placements in their chart that support attraction.

The 7th house is who we long to be with and relate to on a daily basis. People who influence our 7th house are like best friends who inspire our affection and make us feel complete. I’m not just talking about the Dsc sign itself… But also the Dsc ruler, and any planets in the7th. People with planets in our 7th house, or ASPECTING the ruler of the 7th tend to inspire feelings of warmth, liking and affection within us. We usually like to just ‘be’ with these people and bask in their energy. Unless the synastry is harsh, in which case we could actually see them as an adversary. It’s always important to take the rest of the synastry into consideration.

The 5th house is more about flirting, courtship, and ‘romance‘. The characteristics of our 5th house are what we find exciting during the initial stages of the relationship, what impresses us, and who we ’fall in love’ with. My 5th house cusp is Aries ruled by Mars in Leo, and I’m really attracted to passionate fiery types. Courage, honesty, and a kind of innocent playful spirit really attracts me in that EPIC ’He Could Sweep Me Off My Feet’ type of way. I’m sure there’s a male equivalent to that. Something like ‘She Blew Me Away’.

Anyway, my point is that the 5th house rules the RUSH of excitement that we get when we’re really impressed or infatuated by somebody verses the 7th house which is more about loving companionship. The 5th house is associated with the dating phase of the relationship where there is of more an element of risk involved… Will we make it to an exclusive partnership? Will they dump us? Will we dump them? This is the phase of relationship most movies and romance novels are about. It’s about how we experience our personal ’love stories’ in life, before our relationships made it to the exclusive 7th house stage. However, people who have planets in our 5th house or ASPECTING the ruler of the 5th house can give us this type of feeling over long periods of time, like it’s part of the relationship.

The 8th house has to do with intimacy. Where we share our secrets and become financially, emotionally and sexually entwined with another. This is usually after an exclusive relationship has been established. The 8th house of private intimacy comes after the 7th house of marriage. We go through a courtship, establish a committed relationship, and then combine our lives with that other person. The 8th house it where me merge ourselves with a chosen partner. I’ve got Cancer on the 8th house cusp, ruled by the Moon also in Cancer in the 8th house. I’m often attracted to those with Scorpio and Cancer placements in their charts along with a Fire or Air Sun, Cancer and Scorpio Moons seem to especially appeal to me.

People who have planets in our 8th house or ASPECTING the 8th house ruler can often attract us in a magnetic kind of way. They intrigue us, and we want to figure them out at the deepest possible level. To know everything about them and get inside them so to speak. It’s almost like we’re pulled toward them by an invisible force. The 8th house has a lot to do with sexual attraction, and private sharing between partners.

Of course, we have to be flexible with how we interpret things. Not all people who aspect our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses are going to be our romantic partners. Our 5th house can also be just about our kids and who we adore, admire, and find entertaining on a platonic level. The 7th house might just refer to our best friend. And the 8th house could just be our therapist, of the person we confide in about personal issues… We may not ALWAYS be romantically attracted to people who influence our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses. But when we are attracted the person in question will almost certainly influence our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses. This is because what the 5th, 7th, and 8th house related synastry does, is open up the POSSIBILITY that we’ll see that person in a romantic light. More may be needed in terms of synastry for an attraction to fully develop, like traditional physical attraction synastry such as Venus/Mars, Sun/Moon and what not…If we then also have other factors that contribute to physical attraction in synastry, like a steamy Moon/Mars aspect, a full blown ’falling in love’ type situation can arise.

What I’ve noticed, is that our romantic partners usually do have natal charts that resemble a combination of our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, along with the Vertex Axis and Juno. The most potent romantic attractions we’ll experience come from a combination of things in synastry. It’s sort of a balancing act between having physical attraction aspects like Mars/Venus, and Sun/Moon with somebody… And having them also activate our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses…

This is done by the partner aspecting the house cusp ruler, the partner having planets actually in the house in question, or though the partner having a natal chart that symbolically resembles the house in question (For example, Jupiter in the 7th house attracts partner with Jupiter conjunct Sun, or planets in Sagittarius). And one more point about ‘planets in houses’. If a planet falls in one of the attraction houses (the 5th, 7th or 8th houses), and does not make any important aspects to your chart, you may not even notice that person. This is because there is no energy connection between that person’s planet in your attraction house, and the rest of your chart. No energy connection, no feelings! However, if someone has a planet in one of your attraction houses and it does aspect your planets… The result can be fireworks! This is because not only is this planet of theirs in your area of romance, partnership, or intimacy, but it also interacts with your chart on an energy level though aspects. Aspects are like portals of energy flowing between planets. If someone aspects other parts of your chart from your 5th, 7th or 8th houses in synastry they ‘energize’ in this area, and bring the themes of that house into reality for you.

My formula is basically this…

Physical attaction synastry + 5th, 7th, and 8th house activation in syanstry = strong romantic attractions.

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posted January 17, 2013 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’ll elaborate more on my “Physical attaction synastry + 5th, 7th, and 8th house activation in syanstry = strong romantic attractions“ theory.

What I’ve noticed is that romantic attraction comes from a combination of mostly two factors, and that both are needed for an attraction to be fully developed. The 1st factor concerns whether or not someone matches your relationship ideals, and the second factor concerns whether or not you have synastry aspects with the person in question that produce physical attraction.

FACTORS THAT TELL IF SOMEONE IS YOUR TYPE

Factor 1.) Does the person in question match your relationship ideals? Are they your ‘type’? Our relationship ideals are shown though our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, the Vertex Axis, and Juno. People seem to be your ‘type’ when… Planets in the partner’s chart aspect the rulers of your 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, or planets in the partner’s chart are actually in your 5th, 7th, or 8th houses… And when planets in the partner’s chart aspect your Vertex Axis or Juno. Or are in the same sign as your Juno, or in the same sign as your Vertex or Antivertex (particularly if they are within orb of a conjunction or opposition to the Vertex). When we really fall in love, the person in question usually influences and matches our relationship ideals in multiple different ways. The more ways your partner resembles and aspects your 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, Vertex Axis, and Juno, the better!

AND…

Factor 2.) Do you find the person in question physically attractive? Does their mere presence turn you on? This is revealed through traditional physical attraction synastry aspects like Venus/Mars, Sun/Moon, Pluto/Mars, Moon/Mars, Venus/Sun and so on (I’m sure most of us a familiar with the traditional physical attraction synastry aspects by now, there are like a million threads on them). Usually when we’re really attracted to someone we’ll have at least one, and often several, of these types of aspects with the partner.

HERE’S WHY BOTH FACTORS ARE NECESSARY

From my observation, sometimes the traditional physical attraction aspects can actually be present in synastry without any real sexual attraction occurring… For instance, it’s entirely possible to have a Venus/Mars aspect with someone random, like a co-worker, and not feel a romantic/sexual attraction to them at all. HOWEVER, when the person in question also has planets influencing your 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, the Vertex Axis, or Juno, this tends to ACTIVATE any traditional physical attraction synastry aspects you have with them. So that the aspects can be felt in a sexual/romantic kind of way, rather then just in a platonic kind of way.

Personally, I find the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses to be crucial in attraction for this reason. Not just because of the planets in houses thing (not just overlays!). When the rulers of these houses aspect important parts of the partner’s chart, this too activates already existing physical attraction synastry aspects. A few people have already pointed this out. Over the years, I’ve come to observe that people influencing each other’s 5th, 7th, and 8th houses (by overlay OR house ruler aspects), Vertex, and Juno, is what ACTIVATES physical attraction synastry.

The 5th, 7th and 8th houses, the Vertex Axis, and Juno ACTIVATE synastry so that any potential attraction in the synastry can be felt. When people hit these parts of our chart it tends to ‘open our eyes’ to them as a romantic possibility. Almost like they flip a switch in our psyche.

Sometimes traditional physical attraction aspects can be felt faintly without the Vertex, Juno, and 5th, 7th, and 8th house interconnections between charts. This is usually when the aspect is really tight and powerful. Still, traditional physical attraction aspects never seem to reach their full potential unless they are ‘activated’ by the above mentioned factors. Only very mild attraction occurs at best when they are lacking. It takes more then Venus/Mars or Sun/Moon synastry to really fall in love, the person also needs to be our type.

FACTORS TO TELL IF WE ARE SOMEONE ELSE’S TYPE

If we are going to wonder about who will fall in love with us, we would look at the partner’s chart to see how we influence THEIR 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, THEIR Vertex, and THEIR Juno… Mutual attraction happens when both people show in each other’s charts in this way.

We check our partner’s chart to see if we fit THEIR pattern, to gauge their potential attraction towards us…

With sign matching, and house ruler aspects for the partner’s 5th, 7th, and 8th houses.

Aspects to the partner’s Vertex and Antivertex (Especially oppositions and conjunctions, although any aspect ‘works‘). To some extent sign matches work with the Vertex Axis as well. The sign on either side of the Vertex Axis can have an attractive pull, and some people favor one side over the other.

And Juno by sign, house, and aspect, definitely describes something of what we need in someone in order to be willing to commit to them. Juno has some similarities to the 7th house in this way. If we aspect the partner’s Juno, or if our chart resemble their Juno, we seem more like we have ‘serious relationship’ potential for them.

LOVE HOUSES, AND THE RULER VS CUSP DELIMA…

One thing that I've noticed about the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses attraction theory, is that different people latch onto certain parts of their pattern more then the rest of it. Meaning, some people are more attracted to the sign of the cusp ruler then the then the sign on the cusp itself. Some people are more attracted to a planet in the house in question (Like, having Venus in the 7th and liking Libra/Taurus energy). While others really do find the actual sign on the cusp more attractive. For whatever reason, perhaps it relates to childhood experiences or the way the rest of our chart is set up, different people 'prioritize' different parts of their 7th house pattern in terms of attraction. And sometimes the part that you're most attracted to changes over your lifespan, depending on your experience. Which part you 'prioritize' also varies from house to house (between the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses).

Like in my case, I've got Aries on the 5th house cusp ruled by Mars in Leo. For some reason I'm just more attracted to Aries then Leo. Although I do find Leo energy attractive in a way, the attraction to Aries is stronger. I seem to have prioritized the sign on my 5th house cusp over it's ruler.

My 7th house is different yet again. I've got a Gemini Dsc ruled by Mercury in Sagittarius, plus Jupiter in the 7th house. I can find Gemini energy attractive, but usually I'm overwhelmingly more attracted to Sagittarius. The Sag part of my 7th house outweighs the Gemini part. A guy having a strong Mercury in his chart, or strong Mercury synastry with me is very attractive though.

My 8th house is Cancer ruled by the Moon also in Cancer in the 8th house. 8th house ruler in the 8th. I really do seem to have a thing for Cancer and Scorpio by Moon sign, although usually not by Sun signs. I seem to prefer masculine Sun signs, especially Aries and Sagittarius, with water Moons.

I'll admit I'm not entirely sure why people prioritize different parts of their relationship houses. I just know that it happens. If two people both had Taurus on the Dsc ruled by Venus in Sagittarius, one could lean more towards liking Taurus, while the other could learn more towards liking Sagittarius. And yet a third person, with the exact same configuration, could go for both signs pretty much equally. It varies with each person. Each of the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses will attract us in some way though. We may just prioritize different parts of each of these houses in terms of what we're attracted to. Different people seem to latch onto different parts of their own personal 5th, 7th and 8th houses, and have favoritism regarding the sign on the cusp, the sign of it’s ruler, or a planet that house.

Also, different houses will refer to different parts of our partner's chart.

In my case my 8th house usually relates to his Moon sign, and his Sun sign will usually relate to either my 5th, or 7th house. It works best if we look at our partners whole chart in terms of how they relate to our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses. And it helps if we look beyond the signs on the cusps. Not taking the rulers into account is not only limiting but misleading. I also take note of the house in which the cusp rulers fall. This too can be very illuminating.

JUNO

This Asteroid has really caught my attention lately.

The asteroid Juno is said to describe what we need and are attracted to in a spouse. Juno’s placement by sign, house, and aspect in our chart shows the type of qualities we need in a partner as a sort of bottom line. It’s often a deal-breaker for us, whether or not a romantic interest has the qualities of our Juno placements. Juno shows who we look for when it comes to serious relationships. If a person doesn’t relate to the qualities of our Juno sign, even if we find them very attractive, we may not consider them a serious long term possibility for us. Juno tells what we MUST HAVE in a partner for them to feel they are someone we want to commit to… Not just though the partner’s Sun sign! Any important part of the partner’s chart can relate to our Juno, either by the partner’s sign placements or through positive synastry involving Juno.

I’ve also noticed that if a partner’s placements don’t relate very well to our 7th house (the house of Marriage), then they often relate to our Juno placements. One famous example is Prince William and Catherine… His 7th house starts in late Gemini and contains the entire sign of Cancer, Catherine’s Cancer Moon falls into his 7th house. This is good. However, her Sun sign Capricorn doesn’t show anywhere in his attraction pattern (5th, 7th, or 8th houses), except that he has Juno in Capricorn. His 7th house is attracted to her Cancer Moon, and his Juno is attracted to her Capricorn Sun.

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posted January 17, 2013 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really love reading you all's threads and replies! I always learn so much! And I agree with the 7th house ruler being aspected by someone. My 7th house ruler Neptune is conjunct Ms Scorpio's own Venus/Neptune conjunction and I've always viewed her as "the one."

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Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus
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posted January 17, 2013 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Got Gemini??:
I really love reading you all's threads and replies! I always learn so much! And I agree with the 7th house ruler being aspected by someone. My 7th house ruler Neptune is conjunct Ms Scorpio's own Venus/Neptune conjunction and I've always viewed her as "the one."


Ya know, I've read your posts many times in the past, and I remembered that although you married a Pisces, the sign on your Dsc, you feel you had a more meaningful bond with a Scorpio... I always wondered if you had Neptune in Scorpio or Sagittarius. Now that I know your Dsc ruler Neptune is in Scorpio it completely makes sense.

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posted January 17, 2013 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aeline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lotis White:
What sign is your Saturn in, how do you feel about that sign.

My Saturn is in Capricorn, in its own sign. I don't like Capricorns. I don't understand them. And i don't get along well with them.

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posted January 17, 2013 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Ya know, I've read your posts many times in the past, and I remembered that although you married a Pisces, the sign on your Dsc, you feel you had a more meaningful bond with a Scorpio... I always wondered if you had Neptune in Scorpio or Sagittarius. Now that I know your Dsc ruler Neptune is in Scorpio it completely makes sense.


My Neptune is 14° Sagittarius in 4th house. My wife and I are separated.

Yeah, it was love at first sight with Ms Scorpio 25 years ago. Though my wife's Sun and Mars are in my 7th house, they square my Sun and Mercury. She also has a Virgo Moon which squares my Sun. Her Saturn is conjunct my As. Our relationship took on a 7th house open enemy tone. She has a fairly tense chart with a lot of squares and opps. I don't usually compare them to each other but Ms Scorpio's chart is very similar to mine (bucket chart).

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posted January 17, 2013 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aeline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Well, being in resonance with Saturn, does not mean you like every Capricorn.


Also, is Sun part of your rrelationshipprofile?
ruler of 5th, 7th, 8th house or posited in these houses?



it's not that i don't like every Capricorn, i simply haven't met one which i would like, no matter in what terms - friendships, relationships, etc. I even don't like my Capricorn - professor. I found it out later that he was a Cappy, so it didn't surprise me.

No, Sun is in 2nd, and it's a ruler of 12th. Saturn is in 5th, so naturally this house is ruled by Sun.

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posted January 17, 2013 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Got Gemini??:
My Neptune is 14° Sagittarius in 4th house. My wife and I are separated.

Yeah, it was love at first sight with Ms Scorpio 25 years ago. Though my wife's Sun and Mars are in my 7th house, they square my Sun and Mercury. She also has a Virgo Moon which squares my Sun. Her Saturn is conjunct my As. Our relationship took on a 7th house open enemy tone. She has a fairly tense chart with a lot of squares and opps. I don't usually compare them to each other but Ms Scorpio's chart is very similar to mine (bucket chart).



Oh I get it now. Ms Scorpio has Venus in Sag conjunct your Dsc ruler?

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posted January 17, 2013 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lotis, a question.

I always seem to get lost when looking at house rulers (using placidus).

An example of a chart;

4th cusp = 5* Cancer
5th cusp = 24* Cancer
6th cusp = 21* Leo
7th cusp = 15* Libra

So, literally;

4th ruler = Moon
5th ruler = Moon
6th ruler = Sun
7th ruler = Venus

I would say,

The ruler of the 4th is clearly the Moon.
The ruler of the 5th the Sun.
The ruler of the 6th Mercury (Virgo completely falls in the 6th)

Have you noticed an order of importance/power regarding the *RULER* in cases like this or is it just something to always play with?

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