posted January 01, 2014 08:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
I think it's both, but as the NN person in a synastry I do think that I'm the one who gets hurt more noticeably. I can't know that for sure, but the other person seems kind of oblivious (but then her Chiron is in 12th).

I think we made some real progress over Christmas, though. For now.

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Oh yes, your case. That's good to hear there's some progress.

posted February 15, 2014 01:11 PM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
Thank you. I am aware that Chiron involves healing which is for the better. It's just that anything on NN can be uncomfortable and Chiron seems to make it worse, as opposed to having a planet there.

Oh yes, your case. That's good to hear there's some progress.

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Thank you!

It was helpful to have an understanding of the astrological factors that were creating the irritation, as opposed to just assuming that the other person is intentionally a jerk.

She was receptive to hearing about the astrological side of it, and I was able to be really honest with her about some things that have been irking me for years.

posted February 16, 2014 01:00 AM            

My chiron is 23° gemini in my 8th house and her moon is at 22° gemini in her 3rd.

My saturn is 1° cap, her sun is at 4° cap.

I've always felt very controlled and emotionally minupulated by her and feel her love is very conditional. Any time I try to communicate this to her she denies everything and calls Me a selfish b****. I often feel like the more mature one and can't rely on her for emotional support. When she's mad I often feel hurt and depressed for days and expects me to get over it quickly without so much as an apology or gets more angry with me. I dont feel like any of this truly phases her.

posted April 23, 2014 11:43 PM            

Anddddddd I knew her before I was even into astrology. So, I look at our charts and lo' and behold we have:

Her NN conjunct my Sun
Her NN conjunct my Chiron
Her NN conjunct my IC

My NN opposite her Moon
My NN opposite her Mercury
My NN conjunct her Chiron

And in composite (we also have the "love stellium") :

NN conjunct Mars
NN conjunct Vertex
NN conjunct chiron

posted February 24, 2016 07:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Chryseis:
Hello Chiemi and jjj,

I believe I channel but having said that I wouldn't stake my life on any of what I think I find, and I hope that others too might peruse what I put forward with an attitude of exploration. Thus, I like to sometimes have a go at determining how some aspects play out.

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the synastry of Chiron conjunct NN in,

Aries: Upset felt over male type perceived digressions, ie. too much aggression, dominating others, being pushy, expecting sex, insensitivity to finer feelings, want to fight others. So not so much that the NN person is doing any of these things but more so that they become aware that if they manifest them or support these types of traits, that this will upset the Chiron person. So basically Chiron has a cautionary attitude that if they get a hint of this from NN then they will feel distress/pain. NN if they are sensitive to these issues as well or sensitive to Chiron's issues with them, will also feel angst which can manifest as physical unwellness. Chiron's pain can become physical too.

In Taurus: Not so much pain. NN person is urged on to become more proficient with talents, musical focus, taste, aesthetic appreciation, aquisition of quality things, and to be productive, and depending on the emphasis in the natals - for NN to be beautiful and for Chiron to enjoy NN's beauty and maybe for both to acknowledge a different swing on things in terms of beauty where Chiron is concerned - so it is like a supportive push from Chiron to manifest these things. NN can get a little strung out with the expectations/push like 'ok ok, but will you ease up a little'. Chiron is very focussed and persistent. They want star quality out of NN. Chiron can get a little psycho like a pedantic piano teacher if NN isn't diligent enough. Chiron is hell bent on developing these qualities in NN and feels anxiety to keep NN on track.

In Gemini: The pain is like an aggravation and is almost competitive. Chiron is manifesting sibling/classmate type rivalry (probably the Gemini/3rd house qualities). Chiron is after dedication to task and communication of what is learned and they set themself up as the benchmark competitior in order to develop NN. NN is equal to the task and actually feels two steps ahead of Chiron's innuendos and taunts and competive style. There is the tension of the petty competition but also an inherent school buddy feel to this. Chiron can be gruelling in its bid to keep NN on becoming proficient witht the basics and won't tolerate more philosophical or higher learning interests of NN. It's like Chiron wants to see expertise with reading, writing and arithmetic and likes to see mental acumen and things like dexterity etc in NN. NN can at times feel like he is over the whole sitch and may feel like he wants to wag or make himself scarce for awhile.

In Cancer: Chiron is demonstrative often crying, beleaguering, and badgering NN to be more sensitive to the emotional current, show more homey qualities, and attend to any unmet childhood requirements or mothering responsibilities. Chiron can feel like they regress with out the nurturing closeness of NN or can feel rejection when ignored by NN. NN feels a sense of guilt but can't always determine why they are feeling that way.

In Leo: Chiron is a bit peeved but feels pretty impressed and self satisfied with NN and with themselves. They can feel the pain of humdrum though and can try to mix things up a little to get a bit of drama/attention etc out of the relationship. NN can feel really disgruntled though. Almost like Chiron is making them do all the hard work in terms of putting themselves on the line. For example they can feel like they have to play a role that may leave them with the short end of the stick as in the case of say if they were shopping together and Chiron was saying 'Try that on, and that, you will rock this or that' etc. So NN goes ahead and tries on the coat or whatever and they feel like they are at the mercy of whether or not they really do rock the coat etc. That's just an example but its like they are the fall guy front man that has to do the display etc of whatever and Chiron is pushing for him to do this at frequent intervals. They can both get a bit tantrum-ish when either NN is not being demonstrative enough or if NN is getting fed up with this role.

So looking back on the themes, it seems that Chiron conjunct the NN is like a push on Chiron's part to manifest what Chiron deems NN should be doing. NN will feel they have to mollify and take heed to Chirons wishes.

The Aries one has made me want to consider it more. The push is to NOT be so Arian in terms of the more aggressive, dominating,take charge qualities. It seems that the NN in Aries is all about developing an astuteness to reason and keeping an even temper, being a good citizen, and in being a model person, being a good leader, having a will, and developing their body so it is strong and ready for action.

The Leo one too is unusual to me. Perhaps the NN in Leo is asking for the person to be more in line with the best role for them. To give something a go as they don't know there own excellence unto they do etc, and to be liked by others because they are doing and displaying what others love. So the push is for NN to not hide under a rock but to get themselves out there and be that stand out figure that people want to love for everything they do - even their weaknesses.

I may continue on through the zodiac and I may do Chiron-SN conjunctions through the signs (I hate to read back through what I write so pardon moi for my misteaks).

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