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Moonfish
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posted February 09, 2013 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read that both Venus conjunct NN and Saturn conjunct NN in synastry create short-term unions, and make it difficult for relationships to get off the ground. It's said the Node person is either not ready to take on the responsiblity the Planet person offers, or once the Node has gone through the karmic cycle they move on. Ironically, every other aspect (square, trine, opp, sextile) has proven to be helpful between these combos.

Does the Node person always has the upper hand or could it go either way? More importantly, is there a possibility that they CAN build a long-term relation. I have this with someone right now (I'm node and he's saturn). Any experiences or opinions would be appreciated

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posted February 09, 2013 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting

My mom's Saturn square my NN (1)
and in composite we have Saturn conjunct NN (2)


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posted February 09, 2013 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for black_rose     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my experience with Venus conjunct NN as the node person, it has never seemed destined to last in this lifetime. It does seem to set some groundwork for later in this lifetime or perhaps the next life, however.

There is a guy who is really attracted to me with this conjunction(also his Mars conj my Venus ) We met because he walked into the room where I was sitting at a party that was dying down, walked straight up to me and introduced himself. I was distracted at the time because I'd just had a very vertexy encounter with someone who I share a lot of karmic ties to. Looking back, it is very interesting to me that I kind of blew this guy off who would be considered a much better catch by most (he was in a major label band and when you type his name into google, it autocompletes with "girlfriend" after his name) But with his Venus as well as sun and jupiter on my north node, it's just a bit overwhelming and there is something much more comfortable about this other guy I was paying attention to that night who's north and south node I touch with my Moon and Sun/Mars respectfully.

I haven't had a Saturn touch my NN, that I know of, but I can imagine the weight of it could possibly feel even more overwhelming.

I also had a strange pseudo relationship (I would say artist/muse but I don't want to make myself gag ) with another musician (my NN is on Aquarius cusp) where his Venus touched my NN and my Venus touched his SN. This was interesting in that our dance around each other went on for YEARS when I was 18-21ish.. while never culminating in a real relationship. The encounters with each other did seem to help bring us both to a place where we could each find our own more well suited pairings with other people. The fascination with each other has definitely worn off and we don't run into each other anymore.. it seems he had some loose ends to tie up with the south node, while I needed my eyes opened in love a bit wit my NN. Before meeting him, from the way I was raised, I never thought anyone could really love me and with the nodes as well as some neptunian influence the whole thing seemed very dreamy and unreal and loving. While it never (thankfully!) culminated in anything, it opened my heart more to the possibilities of love.

I think Saturn contacts are a trickier thing.. I find that I LOVE saturn contacts because of my own relationship to saturn and am actually really excited about someone now who has Saturn conjunct my Antivertex and Venus (this is the guy I was distracted by when NN man was trying to get my attention). He seems very in touch with his Saturn energy as well and is Cap rising with natal Saturn conjunct natal Juno. I love the serious/responsible/stable/dark Saturn energy.. I find it really sexy in a way. But that's just me! I'm sure lots of people would find this to be just tooo much.

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posted February 09, 2013 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had this with someone I dated last year. His Venus on my nn. What you described is basically what happened. And yes, it was up to me. I was the one who ended it. I definitely felt a pull to him but I lost interest. He kept telling me I was too 'scared' to be with him.

Also, my Saturn is conjunct my natal south node, which complicates things a lot! I'm definitely very stuck in my south node habits. Also, Saturn opposes any planet that conjuncts my north node in synastry, which makes it hard for me to really embrace them

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posted February 09, 2013 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Black_rose and Starfairy
It's amazing how often I read contacts involving Venus-NN in synastry that don't work out. It almost sounds worse than Venus-Uranus

I did a little more research on Saturn-NN, and I have found couples who were married for long periods of time In the end, it makes me more comfortable to know that the Node person determines how the relationship will turn out.

Laurence Olivier's conjuncts Vivien leigh's North Node 4d (married 21 years)

Frida Kahlo's North Node conjuncts Diego Rivera's Saturn 2d (married 16 years, divorced once than got married again until she died)

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posted February 10, 2013 01:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can probably testify on behalf of Saturn touching NN in synastry.

I think it's a karmic aspect and a separative aspect ultimately. It specifically link both people for a specific time span for a specific reason. Purpose: To probably impose a few hard lessons on you, make you swallow them the hard way.I had it with the 2 so-called loves of my life.

In brief, it was very,very painful, hard lessons were learned.

However I have Saturn in 7th house, might explain why it was particularly more painful for me.

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posted February 10, 2013 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Jessica2407
That stinks I'm sorry to hear that. Were you the Saturn or Node person?
and if you don't mind me asking, how do relationships generally work out for you having saturn in the 7H?

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posted February 10, 2013 02:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Moonfish:
@Jessica2407
That stinks I'm sorry to hear that. Were you the Saturn or Node person?
and if you don't mind me asking, how do relationships generally work out for you having saturn in the 7H?

Had to go to astro, cause I forgot who was NN and who was saturn

Let's see,Guy# 1: My NN in 10th inconjunct his Saturn in H3 at 0 degree. His NN conjunct my venus, and mercury both in 7th H at 0 degree, and inconjunct my mars in 8h at -1 degree

guy #2 : My NN square his Saturn, my NN semi sq his mars.

''how do relationships generally work out for you having saturn in the 7H?''

Those two were the milestones of my life LOL. Like I said hard lessons were learned. Guy #1 - the separation occurred due to circumstances beyond both our controls, like we were not destined to be together. I know he probably suffered as much as I did.

But with guy # 2, it was another story altogether.It took my years to recover from the 'injustice of it all', it was much painful, because I felt betrayed. BUT after some time, I realized it was the best thing that happened to me, I understood that everything that happens in life there is a reason why they do happen. At that time I was really mad, and hurting a lot, I would never have thought the way I think now.It's in fact amazing how you see things in a new perspective, a new light.I also took a hard look at myself, I mean the way I handle things AT THAT TIME, the mistakes I ALSO made.The person I was. Now, all I can tell you is despite how hard it was, I know I needed to go through those times to become the person I am today, because my saturn in 7th house makes me want only serious committed relationships, I can live single for years I don't believe in divorce once married, I don't believe in 'making mistakes' either, am really hard on myself and the other person when it comes to relationship. I think once married, that's IT, you've taken a commitment and you have to stick by it for better or worst.I also probably have to mention that I have NN squaring my Venus in H7, and saturn in H7. Am not very sure what it means, but am guessing everything that happens has a karmic significance.

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posted February 10, 2013 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think there's such a thing as a "separative" aspect, or not meant to be. And if there were such a thing it surely wouldn't be indicated by nodes. Also something being "meant" doesn't mean that it must last forever. Sometimes you're just meant to meet someone and not see them ever again. However hurtful this might be, it doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't meant to be since obviously you were meant to meet. (don't know if I am making much sense here but anyway..)

Nodes aspects imply huge lessons to be learned. Those lessons are vital for one's growth. Whether they last and whatever it is they entail, such experiences and relationships that involves strong nodes contact serve the purpose of teaching you, shaping you.
Nodes contact in themselves don't give clues on how long things will last, or if something will ever happen.

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posted February 10, 2013 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
''Sometimes you're just meant to meet someone and not see them ever again. However hurtful this might be, it doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't meant to be since obviously you were meant to meet. (don't know if I am making much sense here but anyway..)''

Perfectly.

''or if something will ever happen''

Someone I know has Saturn aspect to her NN. They are not involved romantically but he is
her boss. She feels ''stuck'' and had really tough moments at work- now she tells me it's much better,although the lessons she had to learn were quite hard,but now feels have strengthened her resolve more than ever. She is just waiting for the right time to leave her job for something better. IMHO, she will 'get released' from this situation as soon as the lessons she had to learn are over.

But I still stand by what I said, I believe Saturn-NN aspect is a separative aspect after the karmic lessons have been received.

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posted February 10, 2013 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sharpei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jessica- i really like your take on things- i am like this as well- whenever something tough happens the only way i can turn it into a positive is by taking responsibility and learning what i can so i dont make the same mistake again.

although ive had pain in my life i would not take it back in a second because it made me who i am today and i needed that pain to grow

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posted February 10, 2013 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sharpei:
jessica- i really like your take on things- i am like this as well- whenever something tough happens the only way i can turn it into a positive is by taking responsibility and learning what i can so i dont make the same mistake again.

although ive had pain in my life i would not take it back in a second because it made me who i am today and i needed that pain to grow


Exactly. It also helps at toughening up so as to be able to live life being single. It's better to be single than enter in a relationship just for the sake of not being alone. I see lots of women who get into abusive relationships and get can't out because they are scared of being alone or beautiful,smart intelligent women who dates men that are not even half of what they are worth.I think a woman can easily become emotionally vulnerable. Emotional hardships help us get a grip on ourselves.

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posted February 10, 2013 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scropiojunkie85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jessica2407:
[B]''Sometimes you're just meant to meet someone and not see them ever again. However hurtful this might be, it doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't meant to be since obviously you were meant to meet. (don't know if I am making much sense here but anyway..)''

Amazing... You guys have answered so many questions. i am in the middle of this process you were talking about. I've become a more mature person... i see my own mistakes... this guy and i walk in the same circles... he runs from me, but when he does come around he is over for 6hrs or on the phone until the battery runs out. I ended up undergoing a really radical transformation. I am such a different person. I reconnected with all my past... my family life, career... everything has been affected. I have no clue if I will ever see him again or if we will ever have a workable relationship because the attraction is off the charts... but its all so painful.

I have a 7H saturn/desc/sn in scorpio and its conjuct his sun/nn/ mercury opposite his moon. :/ I just posted the chart in another forum... what do u think?

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posted February 10, 2013 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scropiojunkie85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And yes, since meeting him... although we never dated... i have never dated anyone since him... been 2yrs. i am a really committed person.

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posted February 10, 2013 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by scropiojunkie85:

I have a 7H saturn/desc/sn in scorpio and its conjuct his sun/nn/ mercury opposite his moon. :/ I just posted the chart in another forum... what do u think? [/B]


I took a look at your chart in the personal reading forum.

I wasn't sure if I should spam your thread with my own experience of node /angles contact.
I've had the node/dsc conjunction and honestly what I wrote "Sometimes you're just meant to meet someone and not see them ever again. However hurtful this might be, it doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't meant to be since obviously you were meant to meet." was what helped me to cope with the "separation".

I had to learn acceptance and to let go.
It was extremly hard for me to do, took me many years and I really had to talk myself through this. I am not even sure I have fully learned everything from the whole experience yet but it sure isn't pleasant doing so.

Your synastry with this guy is very heavy.
Like I said, my take on nodes contact is that there always is some lesson to learn, and that lesson is the main purpose of the "meeting"/ "coming together"
It must have triggered some very strong reactions in you. Maybe you did get a feeling of already knowing him?


I am going to say something that might not be very welcomed in an astrology thread but I honestly believe that when faced with such heavy synastry, one has to take a step back and focus on the real side of the relationships (and not the potential, or if there is some hidden meaning, significance). It can really drive someone crazy to feel and find proofs that things are meant to be, that this person is the one, that you're soulmate or even twinflames, only to later realize that well things are a lot different than this. The person is away. You're no together etc..

Of course I'm getting a bit ahead of myself here as I don't know your situation with this man.

Also, I can relate to it affecting my life as a whole (which I had a hard time understanding and accepting, now I just hope it happened just like it was supposed to)

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posted February 10, 2013 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scropiojunkie85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are absolutely right. It's just very overwhelming and I don't know what to make of it. I guess astrology gives me a way to try to make sense of it... but it only makes it worse. I have let go in someways... I'm just trying to reconcile all the hurt feelings and in some ways I feel that I have to go against my intuition to let it go. It is too heavy for him and for me it doesn't feel that way... it's just what you do when you love someone. Love is a responsibility. I don't find having feelings for someone fun unless there is a strong emotional tie and some security. I don't know why you said you would spam it? But it is a ridiculous relationship. It has torn apart many friendships and we cannot be around each other. It's easy in each others presence, never fight... we only tell each other off over text. We can't argue not even over the phone, we don't remember why we are even mad. We just start laughing. so stupid. all of it.

i guess i posted it to get some perspective and reading some of these posts have super helped me realize a lot of things.

If I had to summarize my general feelings about this relationship is... I am scared to never see him again and horrified by the idea of seeing him again.

thanks for the responses.

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posted February 10, 2013 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scropiojunkie85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see what you mean... No please tell me your personal experiences. I need all the help I can get in gaining a better perspective. This is some hard crap. I've never had anything close to this in my entire life. It's scary.

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posted February 10, 2013 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scropiojunkie85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And did I mention... I'm close to my saturn return... ugh sometimes I have no idea how I'm going to get through any of it... hahahaha... so dramatic... and its all just a bunch of feelings... none of it is "real"

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posted February 10, 2013 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not just a bunch of feelings ! haha. Your feelings are REAL. Maybe that's why you're having a hard time dealing with the entire thing?
You probably feel overwhelmed by the entire thing and how you may have fallen so had for someone and you don't understand it or recognize yourself in this?

If you have such strong feelings for him and he feels the same towards you, and it feels right when you're together, then it must be right.
Is one of you married ? Committed to another person? Are there true reasons (morals, values) that would prevent the two of you from being together?
When you say that it has torn apart many friendships an that you can't be around each other, do you think it really was because of the "two of you" that such things happen?
You also said it's too heavy for him, is he scared?

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posted February 10, 2013 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scropiojunkie85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just explained the situation in the other post... would you mind reading it? it's HARD.

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