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Topic: Can a chart show possible ADD?
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MoonWitch Moderator Posts: 1171 From: The Beach Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 14, 2013 12:26 AM
My 13 year old son was just diagnosed with a learning disability due to attention deficit. His IQ is normal and he tested in average to above average in most of the tests given to him. He just has a HUGE problem concentrating on anything in school. Plus, he'll do tons of homework and then 'forget' to turn it in. His teachers say he's sweet, wonderful, a pleasure to have in class but... daydreams, is distracted and seems confused most of the time.Anyway - would any of this show up on a chart somewhere? I'm simply curious. IP: Logged |
swampys Knowflake Posts: 89 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted February 14, 2013 12:38 AM
quote: Originally posted by MoonWitch: My 13 year old son was just diagnosed with a learning disability due to attention deficit. His IQ is normal and he tested in average to above average in most of the tests given to him. He just has a HUGE problem concentrating on anything in school. Plus, he'll do tons of homework and then 'forget' to turn it in. His teachers say he's sweet, wonderful, a pleasure to have in class but... daydreams, is distracted and seems confused most of the time.Anyway - would any of this show up on a chart somewhere? I'm simply curious.
I'm nineteen and have ADHD really bad, Asperger's Syndrome, OCD, and ODD. My chart: IP: Logged |
LoVeLy Knowflake Posts: 232 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted February 14, 2013 12:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by MoonWitch: My 13 year old son was just diagnosed with a learning disability due to attention deficit. His IQ is normal and he tested in average to above average in most of the tests given to him. He just has a HUGE problem concentrating on anything in school. Plus, he'll do tons of homework and then 'forget' to turn it in. His teachers say he's sweet, wonderful, a pleasure to have in class but... daydreams, is distracted and seems confused most of the time.Anyway - would any of this show up on a chart somewhere? I'm simply curious.
If you don't mind at all can you post his chart... I know a little boy who is exactly like what you have mentioned ------------------ Sun in Virgo conjunct Venus ( 11th House ) Moon in Libra Rising sign Libra Honesty is Confidence - Hoodie Allen ❤ IP: Logged |
LoVeLy Knowflake Posts: 232 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted February 14, 2013 12:52 AM
quote: Originally posted by swampys: I'm nineteen and have ADHD really bad, Asperger's Syndrome, OCD, and ODD.My chart:
My Jupiter is exactly conjunct your Asc ------------------ Sun in Virgo conjunct Venus ( 11th House ) Moon in Libra Rising sign Libra Honesty is Confidence - Hoodie Allen ❤ IP: Logged |
MoonWitch Moderator Posts: 1171 From: The Beach Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 14, 2013 01:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by LoVeLy: If you don't mind at all can you post his chart... I know a little boy who is exactly like what you have mentioned
Sure! I added it to the first post. IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion Knowflake Posts: 1345 From: PA, USA Registered: Apr 2012
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posted February 14, 2013 03:32 PM
Classic case of Mercury-Neptune with Mercury in the 12th making it worse. The aspect isn't negative, but the fact that Mercury is in the inaccessible 12th house makes the aspect more difficult. He'll definitely be imaginative, pleasant to talk to, dreamy, but he'll probably be prone to forgetting to do things and making small mistakes. Neptune sometimes makes our minds hazy even with + aspects. In fact, I have a Merc trine Neptune transit right now, and I feel that words have been on the tip of my tongue without me finding them, and I've been forgetting papers and things everywhere, at home and in my school building, which rarely happens to me [despite the fact that I have ADD - it's almost worse than ever right now thanks to this transit].I hope I could offer some insights. It seems he's more of a forgetful type versus a racing thought type [like me and other Merc-Mars]. IP: Logged |
PhoenixFire Knowflake Posts: 1298 From: The Crossing Registered: Jun 2009
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posted February 14, 2013 03:37 PM
Not sure, I've often wondered the same thing...My son is the same age & is also with ADHD and Aspergers. My son struggled a lot in school due to difficulties with focusing. He was labeled a "slow learner" by his chool district for years /:I have struggled so much to work with the school district, and at last some progress is being made. Now that my son's condition is known, I am much better equiped to help. My son is now on an educational plan, and his grades have skyrocketed upwards. He was not a slow learner at all, is actually quite brilliant in Math & Science. I will try to post his chart later..Hope you don't mind my sharing on your thread. It feels really good to meet other parents with special children who are misunderstood and labeled unjustly /: IP: Logged |
12thhouser Knowflake Posts: 806 From: Registered: Feb 2012
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posted February 14, 2013 04:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by sweet-scorpion: Classic case of Mercury-Neptune with Mercury in the 12th making it worse. The aspect isn't negative, but the fact that Mercury is in the inaccessible 12th house makes the aspect more difficult. He'll definitely be imaginative, pleasant to talk to, dreamy, but he'll probably be prone to forgetting to do things and making small mistakes. Neptune sometimes makes our minds hazy even with + aspects. In fact, I have a Merc trine Neptune transit right now, and I feel that words have been on the tip of my tongue without me finding them, and I've been forgetting papers and things everywhere, at home and in my school building, which rarely happens to me [despite the fact that I have ADD - it's almost worse than ever right now thanks to this transit].I hope I could offer some insights. It seems he's more of a forgetful type versus a racing thought type [like me and other Merc-Mars].
Not sure if the Mercury in 12th sextile Neptune really accounts for or contributes to ADD. I can relate to this, mostly the first three parts: He'll definitely be imaginative, pleasant to talk to, dreamy, but he'll probably be prone to forgetting to do things and making small mistakes. I also have Mercury in the 12th, sextile Neptune, and I've never been diagnosed with ADD, nor needed to seek help for anything described. So, my guess is, something else could point it out. IP: Logged |
MoonWitch Moderator Posts: 1171 From: The Beach Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 14, 2013 06:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by PhoenixFire: Not sure, I've often wondered the same thing...My son is the same age & is also with ADHD and Aspergers. My son struggled a lot in school due to difficulties with focusing. He was labeled a "slow learner" by his chool district for years /:I have struggled so much to work with the school district, and at last some progress is being made. Now that my son's condition is known, I am much better equiped to help. My son is now on an educational plan, and his grades have skyrocketed upwards. He was not a slow learner at all, is actually quite brilliant in Math & Science. I will try to post his chart later..Hope you don't mind my sharing on your thread. It feels really good to meet other parents with special children who are misunderstood and labeled unjustly /:
Of course I don't mind! I love that you've chimed in and posting your son's chart might be helpful.
My son has an education plan again - after being signed out of the program for a couple of years (IEP). He's much more relaxed the past week since the new schedule has taken effect. The psychologist last week also said he has some "autistic-like" traits but they've been saying that for years and years. Like your son, he's great in Math. He also does really well in band and excels in anything that involves a computer.
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MoonWitch Moderator Posts: 1171 From: The Beach Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 14, 2013 06:18 PM
quote: He'll definitely be imaginative, pleasant to talk to, dreamy, but he'll probably be prone to forgetting to do things and making small mistakes. Neptune sometimes makes our minds hazy even with + aspects. In fact, I have a Merc trine Neptune transit right now, and I feel that words have been on the tip of my tongue without me finding them, and I've been forgetting papers and things everywhere, at home and in my school building, which rarely happens to me [despite the fact that I have ADD - it's almost worse than ever right now thanks to this transit].
Forgetful is right!! He'll do huge assignments for homework and then forget to turn it in. If he does remember something it'll be at the very last minute. Like we're pulling up to the school and he says "Oh yeah, mom, I need to bring 4 liters of soda to the party in 3rd period today." Or he'll remember to half of an assignment but forget the other half so he doesn't get any credit. He daydreams in class.. will stare at his thumbs, stare at a blank piece of paper in front of him... not start a test until 5 minutes before the class is over, etc. But otherwise he is a great kid. Gentle. Sweet. Respectful. Polite. Fun to talk to when he's interested in something. IP: Logged |
Venusian Moon Knowflake Posts: 41 From: Nyc Registered: Feb 2013
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posted February 17, 2013 10:14 PM
Please dont listen to everything doctors tell you. I use to do the same thing your son did and they tried to diagnose me with add when i was around 5 years old. It wasnt that i had add. The teachers were freakin boring. They need to make it funner.
Forgetting to turn in his homewirk. Big deal. Some people are forgetful.
Dont put him on medication. In south america kids drink coffee with milk in the morning. Helps them pay attention and stay alert.
Try it!
They tried to say the same thing about my 13 year old cousin. His mom refused to medicate him.
Started giving him coffee in the morning with milk and all if it stopped.
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LionFish Knowflake Posts: 339 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted February 18, 2013 03:47 AM
It could be the harsh Mars/Uranus contacts. I have the conjunction and I was that way when I was in school. I was only ever diagnosed as ADD/ADHD and the school told my mom I couldn't come back until I was on medication... I was a bit of a nuisance. Your son also has a harsh aspect from Mars to his Sun/Merc conjunction, a sesisquare. Which him and I sort of share I'm a Pisces Sun/Merc retro with a square to Mars. Interesting to see the similar types of aspects in the chart bringing out similar personality traits. I always tested above my peers, but couldn't focus on day-to-day menial tasks. I had a teacher accuse me of cheating once because I skipped class for a week and a half, came back on a test day and aced the test. I noticed something that helped me get things done was not "having" to focus on 1 thing for "too" long. Change it up a bit. Or find something he's interested in, really inerested in (for me it was ice-skating at that age) and it helps focus some of the misdirected energy. Brain teasers and word games could help teach focus, as well. And, not to be a Debbie Downer, but if the focus is lost where it NEEDS to be (ie: school), so would the priviledge to do the extra-curricular activity that he may choose. It worked like a charm for me as long as I was actually interested in what was being threatened to be removed.
The other option would be to put in him an accellerated program for school. I don't know if it's available where you are, but the class sizes are usually smaller and the work is given at a more rapid pace, to keep things interesting. Good luck in your endeavors MoonWitch!
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sweet-scorpion Knowflake Posts: 1345 From: PA, USA Registered: Apr 2012
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posted February 18, 2013 04:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by 12thhouser: Not sure if the Mercury in 12th sextile Neptune really accounts for or contributes to ADD. I can relate to this, mostly the first three parts: [b]He'll definitely be imaginative, pleasant to talk to, dreamy, but he'll probably be prone to forgetting to do things and making small mistakes. I also have Mercury in the 12th, sextile Neptune, and I've never been diagnosed with ADD, nor needed to seek help for anything described. So, my guess is, something else could point it out.[/B]
Actually you're right - that's just one small part of the puzzle I think. The 12H Mercury is definitely a factor. And then comes the fact that as someone here mentioned, the individual has Mars sq. both Uranus and Neptune, pointing to far-out and distracted actions sometimes eccentric or outside of the norm. This could easily point to scattered or dreamy actions, no planned course of action, and Uranian up and down energy, so either ADD or ADHD. I forgot to put this in my original post! My bad. IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion Knowflake Posts: 1345 From: PA, USA Registered: Apr 2012
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posted February 18, 2013 04:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by MoonWitch: Forgetful is right!! He'll do huge assignments for homework and then forget to turn it in. If he does remember something it'll be at the very last minute. Like we're pulling up to the school and he says "Oh yeah, mom, I need to bring 4 liters of soda to the party in 3rd period today." Or he'll remember to half of an assignment but forget the other half so he doesn't get any credit.He daydreams in class.. will stare at his thumbs, stare at a blank piece of paper in front of him... not start a test until 5 minutes before the class is over, etc. But otherwise he is a great kid. Gentle. Sweet. Respectful. Polite. Fun to talk to when he's interested in something.
Neptune contacts can definitely make someone gentle and on the sweet side. As I just posted a moment ago, I forgot to mention that his Mars distressed by Uranus and Neptune can also contribute to hazy, scattered and unplanned actions. IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 9133 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 18, 2013 05:12 PM
Is that the right time? Merc is 3rd house ruler in Pisces 12th conj Sun. 3rd for early schooling/the mind. Then you have 6th, scheduling, figuring out your day, his is ruled by the Sun, and it's back in the 12th, Pisces conj that Merc ruling the 3rd. So he def needs to work on this for a while. There's prob more in the progressions. Transit wise Chiron/Mars sq n.Pluto in Sadge, a sign assc with learning, the Pluto Sadge generation it's tough cos they want to be right, so he could have insecurity about this with peers maybe. Esp since Saturn is conj Mars Asc ruler in 7th and coming back to opp his Moon (ruling the 4th). The Saturn opp says maybe someone at home (mom) is gonna bring this more and more to his attn and he could get some help with this at home, or someone from home will help him find outside resources for this. Also Uranus is set to conj Jupiter (ruling 9th) in the 1st, so I think he's getting some help here from this too w.looking at new ways to think about the idea of education, new ways to teach himself to think about learning and the organization the big pic of the world around him, trining that natal Pluto Sadge that's conj the cusp of the 9th. Natal Chiron Sadge also points to this being a sensitive issue for him, it's sq t.Neptune Pisces so there's healing here on this level if he wants it, he just has to open up a bit. This is all happening at the same time that transiting Merc will go Rx in his 12th so there's some maybe quiet contemplation going on, re-evaluating for sure the way his mind works. Interesting. IP: Logged |
thundered Knowflake Posts: 52 From: Australia Registered: Feb 2013
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posted February 19, 2013 12:02 AM
I can definitely relate to your son, he sounds sweet I think harsh Mars and perhaps Moon could be at play, as well as Mercury, ESPECIALLY retro. I have Merc rx and I internalised my thoughts and I find it very hard to communicate and concentrate, especially if it's verbal communication. After reading a lot of natal Mercury rx articles, I seem to have accepted a lot of my communication and concentration issues. IP: Logged |
Kerosene Knowflake Posts: 858 From: Mercury Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 19, 2013 12:20 AM
I'm gemini so I was a hyper kid that wanted to chat and run around and play during class. Also I found school and my teachers to be boring.. My teachers thought I had ADD and basically told my mother to get me meds, she thought it was normal especially with all the air in her chart too. My mom thought I was not challenged enough in school so she home schooled me, I actually learn so much during those two years. When I went back I was way ahead of everyone. I found it hard to be around other people I really want to socialize. So I quickly fell behind hahaha I do think its hard for me to concentrate because I'm thinking of 100 other things. I think saturn helps me bring out my inner discipline. I don't really believe in ADD or maybe I was just misdiagnosed. If it makes you feel better op I really got my **** together and took school seriously and got a 3.8 gpa. Your son will do the same, kids just want to have fun and no concept of responsibilities. Also he has venus conjunct saturn in taurus, you should encourage more creative pursuits for him too, creative people are often in there own world. One of the best artist I know has venus conjunct saturn in taurus! IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 6359 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted February 19, 2013 05:45 AM
Hmm interesting. I never believed in ADD either.I would think the reason is all those harsh Uranus, Saturn and Neptune aspects, as they all lead people to detach from the world around them and try to escape reality (especially in combination). I would know, as I have sun, moon, mars, Venus and mercury all afflicted by Neptune and Saturn. No Uranus afflictions though. Yes I am usually in my own little world and am def a loner as well as easily miss whatever's going on around me, but I think bc I don't have the Uranus afflictions I am not forgetful, impatient, or hard to pin down. Quite the opposite. ------------------ True to my aqua north node, I'll always pick the choice nobody expected me to pick. ebay compatibility readings | testimonials | Past readings | Ideal compatibility (3rd post) | Q&A | What's a Love stellium? | Most important aspects descriptions | Aspects to avoid IP: Logged | |