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Topic: Any Obsessive-heroine placements?
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hikoro
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posted February 14, 2013 05:21 PM
  
Ok...so, this is a story of a former person i knew...
she had met a famous person a couple of times, they started talking, etc...
this famous person is in a tough position...and she kind of...got this idea of wanting to help him and save him, after one year later of not talking with this famous person.
it happened that i agreed with her, and i dont know what...but, it is as if i enabled her ideas more? because i would...well, try to help her out and talk to her about it. the breaking point was that, she was really into figuring out ideas as to how to reach him.
and, it came to this point where she met this 'journalist' who she claimed could find this famous person 'info' so she could contact him...
i didnt care much for the idea because im a very private person and i dont think this famous person would like that.
anyways, when i asked her what the 'journalist' would want, price...
she said...well, what do you think, sex?
me: O_O
and the deal for me was that even though she didnt care about the idea, she didnt seem to have a big issue with it. as in, sleeping with this disgusting journalist to retrieve a famous' person contact (by the way, there was no certainty that the journalist would find the info) was a worthy sacrifice to 'save' mr. famous... she would talk about how she always had this feeling that she would save him from his dysfunctional circle and that circle would see her as the evil woman, because she was the one who made him turn his back to that dysfunctional circle... and oh gods...anytime that she saw something...like a sign in relation to his name, or someone who looks like him, she would text me, and see it as a 'sign.' another breaking point was when i received like 13 emails about the situation in one day...
and how she would repeat her theories about this person's life..over and over again...
and, that time when i was on a trip, and she texted me so many times about how she could feel his pain... mind you, pisces mooners...intuition. i agree... and she sure was enthusiastic. but, i cut her off. she started becoming kind of...distrustful, i dont know, wondering about an anonymous e-mail i had. im very private and she didnt like that....
she wanted me to be open, just like her. btw, she started e-mailing my parents!!!
and mentioning how this journalist could teach her how to be a con-woman and make lots of money quick by lying to others. and she demanded my parents as to whether it was a chance she should take....O_O which i hope she didnt. she was indeed very into wanting to make money...but at the same time, she didnt plan her life to be very organized.
it also hurt that she seemed very critical of my success....
i dont know...
i wonder, if this idea of saving this famous person was her way of adding some sense of worth to her life.... so anyways, here it goes, what do you see?
i miss her pisces moon....but, her behavior became too much.  IP: Logged |
hikoro
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posted February 14, 2013 08:55 PM
bumping.....  IP: Logged |
hikoro
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posted February 17, 2013 06:16 AM
im bumping this again.
i dont care....if the mods want to move it to another section.
i just want some answers, even if it's just one. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted February 17, 2013 07:10 AM
12th ruler self undoing is the Pisces Moon afflicted that sits in the 7th,
it's doubly afflicted esp in relationships since not only does it receive squares, it's squared to the Sun here which is strengthened since it's the Asc ruler, Venus, and ruler of her 7th.
So she's her own worst enemy here. I can see how that'd be hard to watch.Neptune's in Pisces squaring her stellium, on her Moon, I don't think it's the happiest time for her right now. Also she has a lot of arcs around a certain age period in her early-mid 20s,
her sadge stellium to her neptune
her neptune to her mars
her moon to her neptune Nep-toon I call it.
She also had transit Pluto on her SN in the 5th for obsessive romance..interesting her NN is in the 11th house of fans. That's if the time is right ^ Some people's lives, it's just the way it goes, lots of influences collide at one time.
It looks weird to us but if you look at the chart, not so much. IP: Logged |
hikoro
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posted February 17, 2013 10:37 AM
lonake.
thanks thanks thanks!i always thought that pisces moon is what gave her the 'saviour aspect'
and the obsession was from jupiter in scorpio...
but, at the end, these placements didnt seem enough for me. so, it seems that squares can be worse than opposites...then. can you see where she is coming from? i mean, is this entire deal with saving this guy and society seeing herself as the 'bad girl'...is this genuine, i mean...are her ideas for this because she really thinks she is doing something good, or is it a way to overcompensate for the minuses in her life?
i mean, is this a self-less act? also, does she have a crush on this person? she would never be clear when i asked her this question.
the thing is that...she talked more about this guy than about her potential lovers....
it was unnerving. another thing that i noticed about her, she was sort of....boastful about her interactions with men. like, if a guy paid attention to her...or something, she would always text it, but, to me, it came across as if she had to show off that she was desirable by men.
on the other hand, she always said she had a good self-esteem...
she has a good relationship with her father, but not with her mother. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted February 17, 2013 07:33 PM
"also, does she have a (...)"For this and the prev Qs I'd need the data and also the time frame that you're curious about, because you're asking about her circumstances in a certain point in time related to this issue. The thing with charts is that influences change very rapidly, you get that in life new feelings new information and it changes how you perceive your situation, it influences the choices you make. You've given background to work from (basic situation) which is good but not specified data or time frame to zero in on, so that's the limitation. And with Sun conj Venus one of the assumptions is good self esteem, narcissistic, focus on being liked, they get attracted to the other if the other is attracted to them, etc. Both conj the ruler of the 7th, the partner. 7th/venus is basic relating. The 5th tho is where there are dating opportunities, there's mars there exalted in capricorn well aspected to jupiter 5th ruler, increases amount of partners available and with cap there's a drive to succeed there, status symbol. Neptune's there well aspected, the 5th is a nice escape from routines, a place to dream and play and have adventures in Sadge. 5th ruler Jupiter in Scorp in 4th opp to Chiron Taurus 10th
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Pisces Moon as 12th ruler afflicted in 7th to asc ruler (Sun), dsc ruler, and venus in the 4th
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"i wonder, if this idea of saving this famous person was her way of adding some sense of worth to her life...." She needs to back away from the partner, the partner won't save her but emotionally the Moon it tells her it's so, her romantic meetings with Jup 5th ruler afflicted to Chiron, tell her it so as well that she needs it for her security (scorp/taurus/4th/10th). Security oriented, sun asc ruler in 4th, 4th stellium, cancer nn, pisces moon trine saturn. All works against the Sun's stellium incl Uranus. Uranus in the 4th does not incline to emotional security. Afflicted Pisces Moon as 12th ruler the same, esp to all those relationship pts. Moon is also NN ruler the Moon to the Sun which in this case is the chart ruler, to Venus, to ruler of DSC. This is not the right path for her, if she continues in this way she'll only be working against herself. Moon is squaring Venus too, hard to reconcile emotional needs with what one is attracted to. It's written all over the chart. Uranus sq Moon. Uranus in the 4th. Stellium in 4th sq to Moon in 7th. She def needs to find her own niche, she won't fit into traditional relationship mold. Made more obvious since Sun/Uranus AscDsc ruler are conj Venus. I think she'll find that partner since the Asc Dsc rulers are conj but in Sadge in the 4th esp with Moon/Uranus she might be better off breaking away from her family and moving internationally perhaps. She needs to break away from the mother and identify herself as her own woman, that's written in the chart with Uranus 4th + Moon Uranus with Moon 12th ruler. So the fact that you say they don't have a good relationship is a good thing since it forces her out of a traditional role. Once she's out of the traditional role the Q remains how does she make it work. NN Cancer 11th, Moon/Uranus, Uranus/4th. She's playing out her SN, she needs to balance the SN with the NN 11th and grow into her own person with Sun conj Uranus in the 4th. Not just act out against the Moon. Again tho, since the Moon rules the NN here it makes it harder. IP: Logged |
hikoro
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posted February 17, 2013 08:09 PM
lonake...
thank you very much. youve been very helpful.
i don't think there is need for horary...besides, i dont remember the time i asked this.
edit: did post a chart below, if you see something interesting, please share. thanks.i mainly wanted to know the reason she has this obsession grandiose saviour complex for someone who is so but so.....far away from her.
i mean, this famous person is way unattainable...and, she is not even friends with him.
you get what i mean?
and, it is kind of sad because....it reaches to a point where 'saving this person' is the only thing that matters in friendship. i swear...if you met her tomorrow, you would start hearing about this famous person in a few days...and not only that, she will ask you for tips as to how to save him, and...if you want to join in and help her out, and....if you think that things will work out allright for this person.
and she will repeat and ask for reassurance over and over again...to the point you feel overwhelmed, pushed and pressured.
like with you...for example. she would ask for you to interpret horarys...all of the time. she started doing that with my mom...and even my mom found it as being abnormal and...disturbing. also, for being a sag, she is very conservative and, very critical and sort of angry at the world. i dont know... IP: Logged |
hikoro
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posted February 17, 2013 08:20 PM
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Lonake
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posted February 17, 2013 08:59 PM
Not horary I meant data to progress the chart forward for certain time. It's fine I don't need it. "i swear...if you met her tomorrow, you would start hearing about this famous person in a few days...and not only that, she will ask you for tips as to how to save him"
---So she's still like this? I thought this was in the past. OK then Neptune transit. Maybe something in progressions too but natally she has a really strong early mutable square. Yea and then Neptune through the 7th, I guess I could see that. IP: Logged |
hikoro
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posted February 17, 2013 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
---So she's still like this? I thought this was in the past. OK then Neptune transit. Maybe something in progressions too but natally she has a really strong early mutable square. Yea and then Neptune through the 7th, I guess I could see that.
you're right...it is in the past.
but, i intuit it is like this...
because i knew her for a few months and she did it with me, and all of her friends knew about it...people who have known her for a longer time.
then, people who she would meet...would also hear it.
and she even did it to my mom... whether she is still like this...i don't know.
when did this neptune transit start? i met her in june of 2012...and she was already like this. edit: neptune transit started in february....and will stay there until 2025....mmm.....good possibility. i dont know what to say. i recall she told me she was barred from meeting him some time in april/mars....there was some...event.
i sympathized with her, but...with her behavior, i wonder if she gave other people the 'vibes'...if you get what i mean. IP: Logged |
hikoro
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posted March 31, 2013 07:56 AM
just an update...
she has contacted me again.
she actually did, last year. i never replied.she contacted me again recently.
on one hand, i feel bad because she lost a dear one and i feel compelled to give my condolences. so, i want to reply.
on the other hand, i fear she will start talking about this celebrity again...and asking me questions as to if i see that x will happen via astrology?
and, she actually mentioned him in this e-mail....
it makes me feel as if the only thing that in her eyes, binds our relationship is this celebrity... i dont know what to do.
maybe i should be less fixed and give it another try... IP: Logged |
Barbee
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posted March 31, 2013 09:00 AM
I had nothing to add, but found this very interesting. Makes you wonder how she'll end up.IP: Logged | |
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