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Topic: turning more scorpio/ pluto
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peregrine Knowflake Posts: 1435 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted February 23, 2013 05:43 AM
i've never felt it before especially the intense/ broody parts but i'm feeling it so much now. could it be the saturn transit? i wonder if this is what i am truly meant to be like. quote: Scorpio Rising, Boundaries and Intimacy To have Scorpio rising (i.e. on the Ascendant) in one’s birth chart is an essential dilemma. Why is that? The Rising Sign, or Ascendant, represents how you present yourself to the world. If you were a house, your Ascendant would be the front door. It’s like skin, because it is at once superficial (describing only a surface layer of your personality) yet crucial, (holding you together). Because the Ascendant is your interface with the world, it shows not only how you let others in, but also how you shut them out, i.e. how you hold your boundaries and defend your perimeter. It shows how you maintain a sense of self in a world that is constantly presenting you with foreign influences. Scorpio is a water sign, and as a water sign, it poses certain challenges when it appears as the Ascendant in an individual’s chart. Water signs do not by nature have very good boundaries. Water flows into and around things, water connects but does not defend strongly. Water is sensitive and feels powerfully, thus is prone to being taken advantage of—and taking advantage too. If you have Scorpio rising, there’s something you should know which you won’t find in astrology books (at least, I’ve never seen it in one), but which I’ve discovered in my twenty-eight years of involvement with astrology, and it is this: Scorpio is not really the tough-as-nails, James-Bond-like, crusty and pushy sign it’s said to be. No. Scorpio is sensitive, tender and feeling. In fact, I’d go so far as to say that Scorpio is the most tender and vulnerable sign in the entire zodiac (yes, moreso than Cancer). But if this is so, why don’t the astrology books say that? Because they write about Scorpio as experienced from the outside, by people encountering Scorpio in others. I’m talking about Scorpio as experienced from the inside; I’m talking about what it feels like to be Scorpio. How do you think Scorpios became so tough and crusty and cynical to begin with? Because once they were little baby Scorpios and they quickly discovered that the world was too much for them. They felt everything so intensely and were so passionately drawn into life and love and pleasure and pain that they had to build walls in order to become a person at all instead of a bundle of passions, tossed like a tiny boat at sea. Every adult Scorpio should take a moment to congratulate himself for building those walls, for creating those boundaries, for becoming a person. Then, he needs to begin the work of dismantling them. Why? Because creating boundaries is only the beginning of the life-work of Scorpio, and because the Scorpionic crusty exterior repels the very thing Scorpio longs for the most. Scorpio’s fondest dream is to be intimately related to the world, to themselves, and to at least one special other. Intimacy is the most powerful need Scorpio has. But intimacy requires vulnerability. To really connect with another human being, you have to be willing to get hurt. As a human being matures, she gains emotional skills and learns how to be vulnerable and open to life’s experiences, feeling them without being hurt by them and thus experiencing them more fully. A truly mature Scorpio rising person has learned to be soft and emotionally available without feeling raw and unprotected, and to connect without behaving like either a victim or a victimizer. With the development of emotionally intelligent, permeable boundaries, the crusty walls can come down without a loss of selfhood, making intimacy possible. Intimacy is not the same as symbiosis, a state where one being has taken over and contains the other. Intimacy is a state of closeness between two independent individuals, a state entered into by choice. For Scorpio, life is empty without intimacy, but with intimacy, life is interesting, absorbing and compelling. Intimacy provides a fit stage upon which a Scorpio rising person’s rich inner life, with all its color and feeling, may unfold. To gain access to true intimacy, not symbiosis, you must learn to possess yourself and not others. A self-possessed Scorpio rising individual is the most attractive person imaginable. Any Scorpio riser who does the work of forming healthy (not reactive) boundaries, will become positively irresistible. I guarantee it.
i think my walls are only starting to form. just recently. cynicism was never my thing. but jupiter in cap is rather pessimistic. #onceyougoblack IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 4856 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted February 23, 2013 05:52 AM
I think you're resisting much needed change. When change is being infected, the sense of not being in control takes over. tSaturn wants you to step up to responsibilities. That's why you're brooding = moody. IP: Logged |
peregrine Knowflake Posts: 1435 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted February 23, 2013 06:01 AM
well they happen whether i want to or not it seems. i've already moved twice not even within a year. and i have never really moved since i was 13. IP: Logged |
peregrine Knowflake Posts: 1435 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted February 23, 2013 06:03 AM
i have a feeling it's conjunct my natal mars especially since the aries threw in the towel and i just let her. i would normally do everything to keep her. i'll check.ps disirius u asked if i had a biz idea in upcoming transits... men's clothing line called phaliq IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted February 23, 2013 06:08 AM
No way, you? becoming deeper? tss I can't believe it! IP: Logged |
peregrine Knowflake Posts: 1435 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted February 23, 2013 06:15 AM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: No way, you? becoming deeper? tss I can't believe it!
lmfao! i have hidden depths u know! it's just hidden underneath my breezy insouciance. i do think it's hard to be. i don't want to go there most of the time. i want a night that never ends as my life. future so murky. ps miss both of you. *group hug* pss there was this gay guy wearing zegna (dunno y i have to mention that to paint the picture?) at a retreat that cried coz his friends were so shallow lol! #justsayinglol darn maybe u have to see it. it was oddly funny to me coz he was so butch-gay. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted February 23, 2013 06:22 AM
I know, right. But now with Saturn transits.. you're changing, and it's probably for the better! So don't be afraid, my dear oh but change is always scary, for us fixed folks. Just hang in there <3 D'aw :hugs back:
Haha, well, if -I- started crying because of all the shallow people I know.. I'd be drowning in an ocean
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VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 4856 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted February 23, 2013 06:24 AM
quote: Originally posted by peregrine: i have a feeling it's conjunct my natal mars especially since the aries threw in the towel and i just let her. i would normally do everything to keep her. i'll check.
Rx Saturn is at 11 Scorpio. You must have stomped all over her with your plutonic hooves... For what is worth, sorry to hear that. quote: ps disirius u asked if i had a biz idea in upcoming transits... men's clothing line called phaliq
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Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted February 23, 2013 06:27 AM
Btw, hiii Venus Di !!! How have you beeeen??! IP: Logged |
peregrine Knowflake Posts: 1435 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted February 23, 2013 06:32 AM
quote: Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
#hardtailoring. whoa that fuker is pretty close to my natal saturn. quote: You must have stomped all over her with your plutonic hooves...
she was teh one me thinks! damn i called teh church and the reservation wasn't cancelled but maybe she just hasn't gotten to it yet. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 4856 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted February 23, 2013 06:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: Btw, hiii Venus Di !!!
quote: How have you beeeen??!
Having tSaturn on Pluto,and tPluto sq Mars... I am swell I am really cool, you?? IP: Logged |
peregrine Knowflake Posts: 1435 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted February 23, 2013 06:38 AM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: I know, right. But now with Saturn transits.. you're changing, and it's probably for the better! So don't be afraid, my dear oh but change is always scary, for us fixed folks. Just hang in there <3 D'aw :hugs back:
u know something else scorpionic entered my mind the other week but nvm i won't ask lol! #classicsand IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 4856 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted February 23, 2013 06:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by peregrine: she was teh one me thinks! damn i called teh church and the reservation wasn't cancelled but maybe she just hasn't gotten to it yet.
Nope, if she were to choose a weapon it'd be Uranus bolts... #iirc It's you! I think it's a bad idea to set up responsibilities you can't follow through during Saturn return. Maybe you really don't want to do it. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted February 23, 2013 06:45 AM
quote: Originally posted by VenusDiSirius: Having tSaturn on Pluto,and tPluto sq Mars... I am swell I am really cool, you??
Oh my, hardcore ones! But hey, you're a tough gal, so I'm sure you're handling them like a boss Eww me, tNeptune in applying sq to ASC/DSC & Nodes, I think I've been acting wayy too ambivalent with people (and myself ) but hey, I enjoy the fog! all the confusion and zoning out, quite ecstatic, haha. Different from my natural self
tSaturn smack on my Mercury tho! it kind of counterbalances the whole Pisces thang.
Other than that, boringgg.life. I've been told some things about people, tPluto sextile nMercury. Enjoying the secrets (even though most of them are ugly and reflect the human condition in a negative way).
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Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted February 23, 2013 06:48 AM
quote: Originally posted by peregrine: u know something else scorpionic entered my mind the other week but nvm i won't ask lol! #classicsand
Oh come on, stop teasing me! What's it about? is it too inappropriate to ask here ? IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 4856 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted February 23, 2013 07:01 AM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: Oh my, hardcore ones! But hey, you're a tough gal, so I'm sure you're handling them like a boss
That's so kind of you. However, I think this is the case of "just say no to like a (mafia) boss and stay low" "do some Insanity" "more is less" etc quote: Eww me, tNeptune in applying sq to ASC/DSC & Nodes, I think I've been acting wayy too ambivalent with people (and myself ) but hey, I enjoy the fog! all the confusion and zoning out, quite ecstatic, haha. Different from my natural self
You won't like it when it's done. quote: I've been told some things about people, tPluto sextile nMercury. Enjoying the secrets (even though most of them are ugly and reflect the human condition in a negative way).
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VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 4856 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted February 23, 2013 07:03 AM
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peregrine Knowflake Posts: 1435 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted February 23, 2013 08:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: Oh come on, stop teasing me! What's it about? is it too inappropriate to ask here ?
hahaha u know it! IP: Logged |
peregrine Knowflake Posts: 1435 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted February 23, 2013 08:39 AM
quote: Originally posted by VenusDiSirius: Nope, if she were to choose a weapon it'd be Uranus bolts... #iirc It's you! I think it's a bad idea to set up responsibilities you can't follow through during Saturn return. Maybe you really don't want to do it.
i don't know if i ever gave u birth time and i don't think i kept it either but what did u think of that synastry? IP: Logged |
vickymadness Knowflake Posts: 1087 From: Minnesota Registered: Jan 2012
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posted February 23, 2013 08:58 AM
doesn't change the fact you're a lazy taurus.
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peregrine Knowflake Posts: 1435 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted February 23, 2013 09:04 AM
quote: Originally posted by vickymadness: doesn't change the fact you're a lazy taurus.
i'm no aries. i don't need to move when i don't have to. everyday aries-horse. i need to go here have a meeting there. i didn't understand much of that to-ing and fro-ing and what it accomplished. #impetuousones /shrug ps and stop talking to me that way. trying to create tension. it works okay. but stop it. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 4856 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted February 23, 2013 09:16 AM
quote: Originally posted by peregrine: i don't know if i ever gave u birth time and i don't think i kept it either but what did u think of that synastry?
I remember she's Uranian, with Nep in hard aspects to luminaries,your Mars sq her Venus + Mars/Pluto conj... I was thinking you two don't mirror each other well. No, no tob, so I wouldn't know about synastry. IP: Logged |
peregrine Knowflake Posts: 1435 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted February 23, 2013 09:23 AM
i see... thanks. mars conj pluto was the sag-monkey. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 4856 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted February 23, 2013 09:36 AM
quote: Originally posted by peregrine: i see... thanks. mars conj pluto was the sag-monkey.
Yes,I mixed them up #justthat What's up with Sag btw?
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anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 734 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted February 23, 2013 10:01 AM
As a scorpio asc. I feel so weak when I let people get too close to me.Saturn transit in 1H seems much better than 12H.I do feel intense these days,I cant really control it,bit of a problem for a control-freak Scorpio ascendant.I analyse myself alot these days.IP: Logged |