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seeker3030
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posted February 23, 2013 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeker3030     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,
Someone who knows I'm interested in astrology has asked me if it's possible to find out if/when they'll marry and have children. The only thing I notice is that she's got a packed 7th house but her 5th house is empty. Any ideas or guidance on how to do this please? I'd quite like to have a look at the marriage question in my own chart so learning how would be really useful.
Many thanks

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Venusian Moon
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posted February 23, 2013 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would really love to know too. I was planning to post a topic on this.

They say children have to do with the 5th house.


My 5th house is in scorpio
My daughters fathers 5th house is in gemini

My sun is gemini
His sun is scorpio


His neptune is in my 5th house
My dsc in his 5th house

Thats the only thing i know

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seeker3030
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posted February 23, 2013 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeker3030     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oo snap! My 5th is Scorpio too. I've got Venus, Mercury and Neptune in mine but only Jupiter in my 7th house. Kind of feel I might never marry but then I thought I'd never have children and my little boy clearly disproves that! Would love to know more.

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seeker3030
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posted February 24, 2013 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeker3030     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gently bumping

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page one
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posted February 24, 2013 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for page one     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With an empty house, you'll need to check what planet rules it, and check the aspects.

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unforgiven_soul
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posted February 24, 2013 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for unforgiven_soul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you want to predict you have to check your progressive chart and the transiting planets. I think you need someone more experienced in Astrology to do it for you or you have to study for hours to get it.

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Lonake
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posted February 24, 2013 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun progressing to Venus or Venus progressing to Sun by secondary or solar arc progression.
This is just one indicator for marriage/childbirth. There are many.

Use conjunct, sextile for above. This is per my research. Conventional wisdom says not to use sextiles with solar arcs. I don't pay attention to what the books say I pay attention to what actual marriages say. Also to use with solar arcs is the semi-square (45).

Sun/Venus can be viewed in a few ways,
-money coming in
-marriage
-meeting a love partner
-pregnancy/childbirth (9 mos apart so usually the aspect will be valid throughout whereas the time span from meeting a partner to marriage is much more variable)
-death (as in people getting together to say good things about you)
-a wish coming true that you would highly value

Sun/Venus is popularity, so typically when any of the above happens you're getting more attention.
Even if you're dead your birth chart will continue to be valid; that's another point to keep in mind. For example a deceased grandparent who wished that you would marry might indeed have a Sun/Venus progression at the time of your marriage.
Venus is what you value, and in general love/money.

The reason a natal conjunction of these two are prized for love/romance is that in solar arc progressions Venus would move along with the secondary progressed Sun. Secondary progressed Venus on the other hand might move retrograde or direct after birth, complicating the matter.
A person born with Venus Rx, when it moves direct by progression, will typically have a new development in their love life/value system/approach to relationships.

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seeker3030
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posted February 25, 2013 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeker3030     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Lonake and thanks so much for your reply! It's really helpful! I've posted my chart with progressions and solar arc just so I make sure I've understood correctly - is it the progressed sun conjuncting the natal venus or vice versa that we need to look for? Mine seems to be heading for a conjunction but couldn't be certain whether it's both progressions that need to conjunct or progressed/natal. Apologies for what i suspect is a stupid question!

Thanks also to page one and unforgiven soul for your help too!

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posted February 25, 2013 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesKat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So does that mean if my natal sun is in Aries and my natal venus Taurus, that when my natal sun progresses to Taurus that I may have children or get married?

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posted February 26, 2013 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AriesKat, Yes, it's one factor, you're talking about the conjunction.

seeker3030, you have Sun starting to progress to Venus in approximately 3.25 years, that would be when that aspect would start to be valid. There's a time frame from the beginning to the end, so extend that time out 2 yrs roughly, so between 3.25-5.25 yrs from now for that specific aspect. It's significant that it's in your 5th. Venus is the progressed MC ruler here (and will be later on) so that augurs stronger for a change in status. That's if the time's not too far off since I notice it's :45 on the hour. The minutes matter not with the Sun, but with the angles and their movement as you age. Notice also Uranus in your 5th by solar arc will start to apply to Neptune in roughly 2.25 yrs. Extending that one out it's time frame is 2.25 years-4.25 years. Notice also that Neptune is with this time of birth your natal Mc ruler. Mc is your status in the world, what you identify as. Uranus/Neptune is at the least unexpected or unexplained, something difficult to fathom. Also significant that it's in your 5th. Now look back at the original time frame 3.25-5.25, and this one 2.25-4.25, you get a time frame of 3.25-4.25 when they will both be valid. So let's just call it 4 years, ballpark figure. 4 yrs from today's date, Pluto will be at 18 Capricorn, conjunct your natal Moon. Also significant here for relationships. So you see how your chart, the person you're becoming, is working along with the transits. If you're interested in that bit of info, set your chart for roughly 4 years from now and make note of the progressed Moon, always significant, and how it's aspecting the natal and being aspected by transits for more info on that time in your life. Just eye-balling it here but it looks like there's a chance it will be conj solar arc Saturn at the time, approximately. Moon/Saturn can be read as increased family responsibilities. Note that it will also be in Leo, the sign of romance and children and creativity. All these factors work together but they have to be understood individually first. Also note that I just glossed over only about 4 factors, and obviously you can tell there are many at play, transits.

Also to mention, the square is valid as well, you have progressed Venus also moving up to square your Sun.

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seeker3030
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posted February 26, 2013 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeker3030     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow Lonake that's really helped thank you so much!!! I did as you suggested and yes it would seem that the solar arc Saturn will be conjunct the progressed Moon in roughly 4 years time plus I noticed the solar arc Pluto will square my progressed Moon, conjunct my natal Venus/Progressed Sun whilst both the progressed/solar arc Venus and Solar Arc Neptune will be conjuncting my natal Moon... so clearly there are some big changes ahead for me! Gulp!

I was interested in what you said about Uranus/Neptune...

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Notice also that Neptune is with this time of birth your natal Mc ruler. Mc is your status in the world, what you identify as. Uranus/Neptune is at the least unexpected or unexplained, something difficult to fathom. Also significant that it's in your 5th.

Do I understand you correctly if I say that it would seem from this that my 'status' in the world is something difficult to fathom because of this placement/progression? The fact that it's in my 5th is puzzling too - my romantic/parent status will be unexpected or difficult to fathom perhaps??

Anyway I don't want to take up more of your time than I should so I just want to say thank you so much for all your help in understanding this process and I'll keep reading up. Now I need to go and apply what I've learned to my friend's chart and get some practice in! Thanks again! x

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posted February 27, 2013 06:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Funny I was thinking about what I wrote here about Uranus/Neptune this morning as I was going about my day, and I don't believe that I worded that as well as I could have! Uranus/Neptune is supposed to expand your perception of what's possible (or of what really "is" if looked at from a spiritual standpoint), that's its job. That can be uplifting, surprising, or taken to another extreme really terrifying but that's not the point really. The point is to move you out of your niche. It's a wildcard aspect that can't be read on its own to give much info. Another funny thing with this one, is that when it hits you usually won't be able to make sense of what happened right away. And I guess you're not meant to, you're meant to work for the understanding here of what's going on, over time. Neptune is your n.Mc ruler so this progression impacts your status on one hand, possibly changing what you believe is possible regarding how you stand in the world (identify as a pilot, or a mom, or a wife, etc.), and it's in the 5th, related to either pregnancy, matter related to children, a new love interest since 5th is where you get together with the person, renewing a love, and also could be creativity in other ways for example your own business, a start up company. If you see Uranus/Neptune you know that the way they frame their world is undergoing changes, and that's a big deal. Because how you frame your world colors what you believe is possible in your life from here on out, or in a spiritual sense what gives meaning to your life from here on out. And what you believe is possible/what gives you meaning, colors the choices you make.

I just noticed that Neptune is the focal point of your Yod from Mars/Saturn. Mars is co-ruler of your 10th, Saturn the ruler of your 7th. That just amps it all up right there. You also have Mc arcing to your Mars in approx 3 years. All significant.

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seeker3030
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posted February 27, 2013 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeker3030     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow!! Exciting (if somewhat mysterious) times ahead then!! I noticed my partner will have his Progressed Venus and Sun sextile his natal Venus and Sun at the same time so you never know, it could mean a marriage or a baby for us. However seeing as I'll be about 43/44 and he'll be 46/47 I don't think it'll be the latter. We're happy with the one little boy we have (mine from a previous relationship,) so I suppose we'll have to wait and see what transpires! I've got to say I hope it's not a new relationship in a way - I love my partner so very much that I can't imagine being without him. But you get to this age and you've been through so many changes and upheavals and fresh starts that I suppose you learn to take life in your stride and not think so far ahead. What will be will be as Doris said. Thank you so much Lonake once again for all your help with this! Very much appreciated!!

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