posted March 03, 2013 12:01 AM            

We have Moon-Moon, ASC-DSC conjunctions. His Moon in my H4, my Sun/Merc/Venus in his H1. My Venus conj. his Juno; his Mars conj. my Juno. N. Nodes are square. I think what keeps us apart is Uranus: we have a LOT of hard Uranus aspects in our chart. We only have minor Venus aspects, and a bit of Saturn.

HOWEVER, our composite is loaded! Moon in H2, Sun/Mer/Venus in H5, Mars/Vertex conj. DSC. Saturn in H8 making lots of aspects to personal planets. North Node in H5 conjunct my Natal Juno/Vertex, his Natal Mars.

We recently talked about having children, of all things (I currently do not want marriage/children; he's married to working). Weird!

posted March 03, 2013 12:09 AM            

Relationships with about an equal mix of good and bad aspects in synastry with a great composite will touch u deeply, but will be painful at the same time. Those bad synastry aspects hurt, man.

posted March 03, 2013 12:46 AM            

*sigh*

Now I just have to figure out what to do? He likes to play cat-and-mouse, and it's very frustrating. I'll ignore him, ignore him, ignore him...and when I answer him and give him attention, he withdraws. I feel like he's not finished testing his options, but keeps coming back to the "girl next door".

posted March 03, 2013 10:51 AM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Yes, a great composite is more important than synastry. However you dont want JUST bad aspects in synastry, or else even though the relationship will touch ur depths bc of the composite, it will prob not last very long bc of the bad synastry. Ideally you'd want tons of good aspects in synastry, with a great composite, and maybe one or two bad aspects in synastry to give it some edge. But its not necessary...thats why we have pluto anyway ))) to give things edge. And pluto trines give edge just the same.

Relationships with about an equal mix of good and bad aspects in synastry with a great composite will touch u deeply, but will be painful at the same time. Those bad synastry aspects hurt, man.

An afflicted composite willl just shut down your feelings completely. It wont even hurt. You'll just cease to care...bc no connection with the person. The composite seems to show the strength of ur connection/feelings for someone, while the synastry shows the reality of your chemistry. What is relaly there between you despite your strong feelings for this person. Do you argue? Do you have anything in common? Do you have the same values? Do you have good mental chemisty? Do you have good sexual chemistry? Synastry will tell that. Composite just shows (partially modifed by synastry) how strongly you feel for them.

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Interesting.

What is a good composite chart though?

What if the composite is very fiery, intense and passionate but difficult? For example, what if both people are passionate about eachother, and understand eachother so well, are similar, but too individualistic?

posted March 03, 2013 11:41 AM            

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Originally posted by jjj:
What about a composite with no saturn aspects (I dont know his birth time, so no houses...)? In synastry there is Saturn-Sun DW.

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posted March 03, 2013 11:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Chryseis:
With synastry, it is definitely important that to be a significant connection you have to have significant synastry. The key to understanding how the relationship will actually pan out is in the composite though.

Of course a great relationship will have tell tale traditionally wow synastry, but for a relationship to last you will have to see the lastingness in the composite. Even if there are lastingness indications in the synastry, you have to see that quality in the composite to be the clincher.

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Exactly! Yup.

posted March 03, 2013 12:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Little Doe:

Interesting.

What is a good composite chart though?

What if the composite is very fiery, intense and passionate but difficult? For example, what if both people are passionate about eachother, and understand eachother so well, are similar, but too individualistic?

Is it better to have a more mellow composite chart with sextiles and trines, that isnīt as passionate and deep, but easier?

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Conjunctions are best in the composite bc it shows unity of purpose and coming together to feel like you're on the same page.

Conjunctions are considered "hard aspects," so any hard aspects with the "bad" planets uranus and saturn will not be a good thing. Neptune afflictions are also not good, while neptune conjunctions are great however.

You also want some pluto in either synastry or composite for that "the one" feeling. Ideally you'd also want composite sun in aspect to venus (even minor aspect) bc it indicates true love. The person won't be able to really hurt you deeply if you have that, bc you'd always forgive them.

Uranus, mercury-mars or moon-mars, and saturn DW's in synastry are also considered bad and could seriously hinder a relationship.

posted March 03, 2013 12:41 PM            

My dad's Scorpio Sun-Merucy square my Leo sun and Aquarius moon.. he is seldom in my life, and make mistakes that i wouldn't forgive in others.. yet i always forgive him. I am more a daddy's girl than mommy's girl... In composite, we have Virgo Sun-Mercury-Venus-Mars-Saturn-Uranus. Sometimes I am too forgiving with him I think..

I have similar virgo composite with my Scorpio Sun-Mercury brother - Composite Virgo Sun-Mercury-Venus-Mars-Jupiter. Sag Uranus-Saturn square that composite though.

My shifu has his Taurus Sun-Mercury square my Sun and moon. In synastry, we have Venus square Saturn DW. My Mars squares his Moon. In composite, we have tight Gemini Sun-Venus-Mercury but Virgo Saturn exact square that conjunction. Hmmm.. well, he does dotes me plenty.. I've never felt so much love from any guy before him. I guess he raised my expectations.

The only Ex that I still keep in contact with, we have composite Sun-Venus-Mercury in Leo. Not much of a synastry cos he has a stellium of planets in Virgo (Sun-Venus-Merucry) that squares my Gemini Venus but his Leo Moon exact conjunct my Sun and his Mars square my Moon.

I have composite Sun-Venus-Merury in Gemini with Hera and Sand.

With YTA, I have composite Moon-Venus-Mercury-Chiron in Aries.

My boss whom I am having this ridiculous crush on.. we have composite sun-mercury-venus in Leo.

posted March 04, 2013 05:52 PM            

To me the only real difference between the two types of charts is in the reading of it...as in , if someone uses mainly composite charts and gets familiar with that then they'll come up with similar things as someone who mainly uses synastry charts. Two different languages, but in the end they can be translated into a simular interpretation.

posted March 04, 2013 08:50 PM            

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RAS; Is it just the easy Pluto aspects in Synastry/Composite that create the one feeling?Or do both types of aspects give that feeling?

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Pluto hard aspects in composite are just as intense as the pluto trine but there will be more power struggles. The combative martian like side of pluto will show itself more. So you both are strongly affected by the other and there are deep feelings hut you will distrust each other a bit more. It will not flow as smoothly as with the trine. However, it's not bad. I haven't had any negative experiences with a love stellium in hard aspect to pluto in composite except that they sometimes were a little bossy or stubborn, but it was very minor and nothing scary at all. They just might be a bit hard headed at times. (That's the power struggle/combative part of pluto hard aspects showing through).

posted March 04, 2013 10:05 PM            

I'm looking for a link link link..

posted March 05, 2013 12:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Mandy pie:
I personally don't buy the whole composite being the long term nature of a relationship and Synastry being short term- theory. I go by synastry and only synastry.

To me the only real difference between the two types of charts is in the reading of it...as in , if someone uses mainly composite charts and gets familiar with that then they'll come up with similar things as someone who mainly uses synastry charts. Two different languages, but in the end they can be translated into a simular interpretation.

I do remember coming up to a post where someone said Composites are only useful when there is a THIRD entity created by the couple that is not the relationship... as in a business. As in if two people partner up and
create a business, that business becomes the third entity created by the melding of these two people... and hence the composite will display the nature as well as the future of the business... not sure if there's any truth to it, but it's certainly an interesting concept.

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posted March 05, 2013 01:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:

I'm inclined more and more towards this myself. I don't think a great composite will ever compensate for a lack of Saturn in synastry. It just won't last, love stellium or not.

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posted March 05, 2013 01:45 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
I think we have to understand what exactly it is we can see in the Composite that we obviously can't in synastry, or not that easy.

I'm looking for a link link link..

a good start; http://www.astrosoftware.com/Symmetries.htm

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I have his book "astrology for the 21st century" and his bit on composite helped me to really understand them.
It is all about planetary geometry.
As a matter of fact every composite is the result of the planetary geometry between two charts, event hough we might not see the relating geometry, when concentrating on the major aspects. It has a lot to do with "harmonics" as well.

For example; in a composite I have Moon conjunct Mercury with someone.

Turns out in synastry my Mercury is about 58 degrees after his Moon, and his Mercury is about 58 degrees before my Moon - and that results in a conjunction in the composite.

Or other example:
A guy has Venus square Pluto natally with Venus AFTER Pluto; I have Venus square Pluto natally with Venus AFTER Pluto.

The composite of course has the square between Venus and Pluto as well, though it is not there in synastry (it is there in the helio synastry with tight orbs though. his Pluto-my Venus.lol)

posted March 05, 2013 11:45 AM            

There's no dutch translation of this book unfortunately. The only book-titles that verbatimly relate carry that big spark of esoteric/spiritual 'backwardness' (in case I'm unable to express myself properly then forgive me plz)

posted March 06, 2013 12:10 AM            

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I'm inclined more and more towards this myself. I don't think a great composite will ever compensate for a lack of Saturn in synastry. It just won't last, love stellium or not.

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I had sun and venus trine saturn both in synastry with a guy i had a love stellium with, and dw venus-pluto in composite. All our other synastry and composite aspects were positive as well (except venus sq pluto). We never went out and were friends for only a few months. With a girl with the same dob as him, we were best friends for only about 3 years.

I also had a love stellium with this other guy, and we had sun trine saturn in composite and sun opposite saturn in synastry. And we were friends for less than a year. Not because we had an argument but bc we just drifted apart.

I also had a close friend who i had composite sun trine saturn with and venus sextile saturn in synastry. We were close friends for a year, no love stellium, he had been backstabbing me. Not a real friend.

So saturn imo does not indicate longetivity. It just means the person is more Willing to be there for you, but it doesnt mean the relationship will be close enough for long enough that they will feel the need to. And as you can see the only close friend i didnt have a love stellium with is the only one who turned on me. The others never did we just drifted apart and we are on good terms.

posted March 08, 2013 06:37 AM            

I don't think it matters for friends who don't rely on sexual attraction to enter into relationship and don't enter marriages (contract, which Saturn rules). Saturn is the "glue" and the impetus to keep going once Martian-ruled sexual attraction fades a bit.

posted March 08, 2013 08:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Mandy pie:
I personally don't buy the whole composite being the long term nature of a relationship and Synastry being short term- theory. I go by synastry and only synastry.

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My examples are my personal database. I hope you understand that I am not imposing my views on you but merely sharing. I do believe that both synastry n composite matters but my experiences shows that good synastry matters in attraction and love. I am looking for more than mere attraction and love. I prefer ppl staying in my life or both of us having mutual feel-good feelings with each other whether long term whether friendship, love, kinship. Composite with the stellium works for me.. Even if it never last.. I can never think badly of ppl whom we have the stellium in composite - Eg. My dad.