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Topic: astrologers need to speak out against newspaper horoscopes
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aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 03, 2013 03:32 PM
  
they are hurting the credibility of astrology. most people dont believe in astrology and wont look any further into astrology because they think those are bs. but from what i have read alot of astrologers approve of them. why? it is only hurting the field.IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted March 03, 2013 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
they are hurting the credibility of astrology. most people dont believe in astrology and wont look any further into astrology because they think those are bs. but from what i have read alot of astrologers approve of them. why? it is only hurting the field.
lol, Point noted, aquaguy91, but having worked in a bookstore in the past, that's not really the reason many people avoid astrology. For starters, some treat astrology more recreationally than otherwise. Unless someone wants to learn more and dig in, they usually won't go beyond sun sign horoscopes in newspapers, magazines, and online. Another, many people read about their sun sign and feel it doesn't describe them, when, given their natal chart, their sun may be the least dominant in their chart and not relatable to "cookie-cutter" descriptions. Another reason--and you might laugh it off but I've overheard it before... some consider astrology to be "of the devil." In the end, those who really want to find out more accurate information, will. IP: Logged |
11nahyt
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From: the future
Registered: Feb 2012
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posted March 03, 2013 06:11 PM
Lol I too wish pop astrology would been done with. I know soo many people who talk down on astrology, because of the stupid stuff they've read in newspapers or magazines. I was one of them lol.IP: Logged |
somethingexcellent
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From: my molted scorp shell
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted March 03, 2013 10:48 PM
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freebrainstorms
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posted March 04, 2013 08:55 PM
i grew up with someone who's dad wrote our local horoscopes and she told flat out that he made them up most of the time. I always start off astrology discussions with discussing how i don't put value in those.IP: Logged |
somethingexcellent
Knowflake Posts: 497
From: my molted scorp shell
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted March 04, 2013 08:59 PM
Okay no but really, I don't think it's a big issue. I personally found astrology through the newspaper daily horoscopes. I think it goes both ways. It generalises but you can't fit an accurate picture in a 250 word column. Yes there's flaws but honestly I don't think it's an issue.  IP: Logged |
Mandy pie
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posted March 04, 2013 09:22 PM
This can be a blessing in disguise.Some of you may have heard of Vedic Astrology... it is the main type of astrology used in India and it is much older than Western astrology. It is SCARY accurate for its prediction. For example- Western astrology will give you a psychological interpretation (meaning it can apply to almost anyone) while Vedic astrology will give you a LITERAL one that will apply to only a few people. ie- "you are a mysterious and lonely person-western" VS "you will marry a sickly spouse ... go into severe debt when you turn 35 and then regain the bulk of your fortune at around 39- vedic" Because Vedic is so literal it is virtually IMPOSSIBLE not to realize how amazingly accurate it can be... which is why it has such a huge influence in India. In India even many big politicians have no problem admitting they go to astrologers whereas in the west that would be kept under wraps. But this can be a curse. Astrology can NEVER be 100% because free will does come into play and also societal attitudes change over time... which in essence means that literal interpretations must also change. Hence a GREAT astrology reading can be 80 percent right and 20 percent wrong. When something is right 80 percent of the time (a huge amount) you can easily forget about that 20 percent they were wrong about... you can easily forget that you DO have free will. Many people in India are stuck in this mentality and one can see its roots in astrology/religion of india (the two are very much intertwined there). IP: Logged |
Venusian Moon
Knowflake Posts: 121
From: Nyc
Registered: Feb 2013
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posted March 04, 2013 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
they are hurting the credibility of astrology. most people dont believe in astrology and wont look any further into astrology because they think those are bs. but from what i have read alot of astrologers approve of them. why? it is only hurting the field.
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Gemini sun
Cancer asc
Taurus moon
Taurus venus
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aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 6116
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 04, 2013 11:22 PM
newspaper horoscopes do tons of damage to the credibility of astrology. i mean lets face it real astrology is not widely publicized so those newspaper horoscopes are the only dose of astro most people are getting and it causes people to take it less seriously. i cant even begin to count at all the people who i have heard scoff at astrology because of those crappy horoscopes.IP: Logged |
somethingexcellent
Knowflake Posts: 497
From: my molted scorp shell
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted March 04, 2013 11:39 PM
Let them scoff. If you know something to be true and someone else isn't accepting it, respectfully or not, then that's the end of that. 
Why do they need to admit to the "credibility" of astrology?IP: Logged |
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posted March 04, 2013 11:43 PM
Tell them to read their Rising sign's 'scope rather than their Sun sign's.Then walk away. If they grab you and ask you to explain more, then it might be worth it. If not, just let them wonder what you meant. btw, i don't read my sun sign anyway. You rising sign will always be more accurate because astrologers who write sun sign horoscopes base them off of the sign on the rising sign of a wheel. So Taurus's horoscope will actually be more suited to the transits of someone with a Taurus rising. The transiting planets will fall into a wheel based off of Taurus rising on the Asc. Hope that made sense. That's how somewhat credible ones come up with them. IP: Logged |
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posted March 04, 2013 11:46 PM
They can never be entirely accurate though. Especially if one uses Placidus houses. They will never be equal or starting off at 0* and following each house from there, at 0*. So, in the example above, one Taurus rising, could have their Mars transiting one house and another could have it two houses away since it also depends where on the planet you were born and how large or small your houses are. In general, you can get a better forecast by reading your rising sign, but it still won't hold much weight, because so many other things come into play. IP: Logged |
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posted March 04, 2013 11:48 PM
at least if you tell them you also don't believe in newspaper astrology and throw out some things about why, it will make them wonder. IP: Logged |
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posted March 04, 2013 11:53 PM
last note: in regards to Sun Sign forecasts, I have to read Aquarius's horoscope to get an accurate idea of planetary energies for the month. Even though I am Cappy rising, my 1st house is so huge and contains all of Aqua in it.So when an astologer draws up a sun sign chart (newspaper), I have to go with that one to get the most accurate reading. They will start a Sun sign wheel with the sign in question on the ASc and go from there. They will then look at where the transiting planets are and go from there. So as you can see, it's not really accurate to read your sun sign. Better to read your rising sign (or if you are like me, the sign intercepted in your first house) IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 6116
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 05, 2013 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Let them scoff. If you know something to be true and someone else isn't accepting it, respectfully or not, then that's the end of that.
Why do they need to admit to the "credibility" of astrology?
its not even that, i just wish people were more well informed before they scoff at it. i fully understand there are lots of people who would still scoff at it. its just annoying that they make fun of astrology and have no idea what they are talking about. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
Knowflake Posts: 825
From: Saturn
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted March 05, 2013 02:46 AM
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Originally posted by Mandy pie:
Some of you may have heard of Vedic Astrology... it is the main type of astrology used in India and it is much older than Western astrology. It is SCARY accurate for its prediction. For example- Western astrology will give you a psychological interpretation (meaning it can apply to almost anyone) while Vedic astrology will give you a LITERAL one that will apply to only a few people. ie- "you are a mysterious and lonely person-western" VS "you will marry a sickly spouse ... go into severe debt when you turn 35 and then regain the bulk of your fortune at around 39- vedic" Because Vedic is so literal it is virtually IMPOSSIBLE not to realize how amazingly accurate it can be... which is why it has such a huge influence in India. In India even many big politicians have no problem admitting they go to astrologers whereas in the west that would be kept under wraps.But this can be a curse. Astrology can NEVER be 100% because free will does come into play and also societal attitudes change over time... which in essence means that literal interpretations must also change. Hence a GREAT astrology reading can be 80 percent right and 20 percent wrong. When something is right 80 percent of the time (a huge amount) you can easily forget about that 20 percent they were wrong about... you can easily forget that you DO have free will. Many people in India are stuck in this mentality and one can see its roots in astrology/religion of india (the two are very much intertwined there).
Vedic astrology takes into account the navamsa chart, the ashtavarga system to predict. But I wouldn't say they are 100%accurate. This is a serious issue in India. Vedic astrologers have become the solution givers,because that's how people want them to be,while they prey on people's vulnerabilities to amass a fortune. IP: Logged |
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