posted March 08, 2013 09:22 AM            

Anyway.

Does the Sun conjunction Mercury aspect give the same effect to the natives who possess the quality? When you research 'Sun conjunction Mercury' it gives you a brief description of its qualities and whatnot, but like I said it's just a brief-ness. Obviously, it differs based on your Sun and Mercury, right? Right! But, it prolly means your Sun and Mercury are of the same sign, so.

Hm, well, my Sun's in Scorpio. My Mercury's in Scorpio too. Also, I have the Sun-Mercury conjunction, so.

The general description that I wrote was: "This aspect aligns the ego (Sun) with the mind (Mercury). People with a Sun-Mercury conjunction possess a lot of mental energy. This results in great intelligence and communication skills, and a lot of pride in the native’s intellectual ability... etc. etc. etc."

But, that's not all, right? I mean, like I said, there's a difference due to what your sign is too! Well, I guess its just a concept you're supposed to understand since I already know all of this, but. I mean, I know what it means to have your Mercury in Scorpio, so.

Second: There's no such thing as a good or bad sign, but does it mean it's good when your Mercury's an Air sign, hence them being intellectual and leading with their head and all? But, then I came to the thought that just like there is no good or bad sign, there is no "dumb" sign.

But, then I read and hear things that say a Gemini, Libra, or Aquarius placement in Mercury is a strong factor. I don't know. But, then things like having your Mercury in Virgo or Scorpio is also very strong too, because Virgo is ruled by Mercury (the planet of communication) and Scorpio's the detective of the Zodiac.

So, thoughts? Comments? Anything?

posted March 08, 2013 10:14 AM            

The signs of mercury is about the person’s thought process, their way of learning, what stimulate their mental abilities, and it shows how the person uses his/her intellectual ability, not necessarily how smart a person is.

In my humble opinion, Mercury being in Air signs may means that they are able to absorb information, analyse them in a very logical and objective way. They are interested in the knowledge itself. Their thought process is often not influenced by their emotions, not coloured by prejudice. And they are flexible, so they are able to accept different views and to look at things in different perspectives. I guess that’s why they are called the intellectuals. Imagine having a debate with a person who’s stubborn, who holds fast to his/her opinion and disregards everyone else’s. That will sure turn into a heated argument lol.

In water signs, they are more emotion-driven and subjective.

In earth signs, the person may put his/her learning and knowledge into practical uses. Virgo mercury is about the analytical side of virgo. The person analyses, learns and takes care of little details in order to have a perfect outcome.

In fire, it may show a person who’s impulsive in his/her thoughts.

posted March 08, 2013 10:16 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
From what I’ve read, this is how I understand it.

The signs of mercury is about the person’s thought process, their way of learning, what stimulate their mental abilities, and it shows how the person uses his/her intellectual ability, not necessarily how smart a person is.

In my humble opinion, Mercury being in Air signs may means that they are able to absorb information, analyse them in a very logical and objective way. They are interested in the knowledge itself. Their thought process is often not influenced by their emotions, not coloured by prejudice. And they are flexible, so they are able to accept different views and to look at things in different perspectives. I guess that’s why they are called the intellectuals. Imagine having a debate with a person who’s stubborn, who holds fast to his/her opinion and disregards everyone else’s. That will sure turn into a heated argument lol.

In water signs, they are more emotional-driven and subjective.

In earth signs, the person may put his/her learning and knowledge into practical uses. Virgo mercury is about the analytical side of virgo. The person analyses, learns and takes care of little details in order to have a perfect outcome.

In fire, it may show a person who’s impulsive in his/her thoughts.

I have sun conj sag mercury and my thoughts jump all over the place. The ability to think and learn in a logical way is coloured by sag “larger than life” attitude so I often overlook little details. I'm not dumb (I'd like to believe so teeheehee), but the best qualities of mercury are definitely not enhanced in this placement.

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That was beautiful.

Thanks!

posted March 08, 2013 10:27 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
I LOVE the gifs you posted lol they're all so funny.

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Really!? Thanks. HAHAHA.

posted March 08, 2013 12:14 PM            

But, there's much more that encompasses how these aspects and placements are expressed by an individual.

You have to first take into account the sign, then the house of placement, then you see which sign naturally rules that house, and *if* any connections the natal ruler or natural ruler make to that placement... then you consider exalted, dominion, or debilitated sectors/signs. For instance, Mercury as you mention is strong in Air, but that's not entirely true, it is in domain when it falls in Gemini, it is sometimes considered a secondary exalted placement in later degrees of Gemini, but is considered exalted (specifically so) when in the 15th degree of Virgo, and lesser so when in the 3rd decan of Virgo.

Decans are the three sectors of a sign that correspond with the other signs of the same element. So for Mercury to be considered truly in exaltation - it should fall in the Capricorn decan of Virgo, (2nd decan), when it is on the 15th degree (in classical astrology this is one of the critical degrees, especially so in fixed signs though - but I won't go into that), the 15th-16th duad belong to Aquarius and Pisces (oddly enough, I know). But, when Mercury falls into the sign of Pisces it is considered debilitated. (Likewise there are secondary debilitated placements, I think (if memory serves) the secondary debilitated placement of Mercury is 3rd decan of Sagittarius, (but I need to recheck to be sure, sorry - don't quoe me on that one). ^^;

duads are individual degrees assigned to each sign... you don't have to worry too much about duads and monomoria or day/night rulers unless you wish too~ just feel out what works for you, and what feels right.

Mercury is an easier planet to explain/understand though~ I think...

Saturn is exalted in Libra, which only occurs every 30 years or so, I believe. But, through the same method, someone can have 3rd decan Aquarius Saturn, or 2nd Decan Gemini Saturn, and still be considered in exaltation when the duad/decans are maintained. Likewise Saturn is most debilitated when it falls into the sign of Aries.

There's more to it here- like I said you have houses where a planet exhalts, naturally rules, and is in fall/debilitated too...

Kind of planetary hierarchy... ^^;

It's too easy and narrows things too much to just look at even this much of an analysis... because you can have planets that actually aid and/or mute the debilitation of a placement. Again, I won't go on too much with all of this... but, there are so many factors that go into reading a chart, more than I ever would have imagined when I started into astrology... =x I'm continually amazed! =D

As for the aspect interaction in general - you are absolutely right~ the sign placements of the planets involved within an aspect, can be entirely different sign to sign, or person to person... You can have two people with the same sign placements making the exact same aspect, but they may have different orbs for one, different decans, duads, and even other forces influencing the aspect!~!~!
(like stellium placements in one of those signs including one of the aspect, or having other planets make aspects to the same planet that are favourable (or not)... it can change the entire influence of the aspect for that natal.

um... *__* I went on and on a lot~ ^^; hope some of this is helpful in explaining things~

posted March 08, 2013 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnineMoth:
when you read descriptions of aspects in general it is sort of like reading a raw composition of what to expect from the interaction in general, or from sign A to sign B.

But, there's much more that encompasses how these aspects and placements are expressed by an individual.

You have to first take into account the sign, then the house of placement, then you see which sign naturally rules that house, and *if* any connections the natal ruler or natural ruler make to that placement... then you consider exalted, dominion, or debilitated sectors/signs. For instance, Mercury as you mention is strong in Air, but that's not entirely true, it is in domain when it falls in Gemini, it is sometimes considered a secondary exalted placement in later degrees of Gemini, but is considered exalted (specifically so) when in the 15th degree of Virgo, and lesser so when in the 3rd decan of Virgo.

Decans are the three sectors of a sign that correspond with the other signs of the same element. So for Mercury to be considered truly in exaltation - it should fall in the Capricorn decan of Virgo, (2nd decan), when it is on the 15th degree (in classical astrology this is one of the critical degrees, especially so in fixed signs though - but I won't go into that), the 15th-16th duad belong to Aquarius and Pisces (oddly enough, I know). But, when Mercury falls into the sign of Pisces it is considered debilitated. (Likewise there are secondary debilitated placements, I think (if memory serves) the secondary debilitated placement of Mercury is 3rd decan of Sagittarius, (but I need to recheck to be sure, sorry - don't quoe me on that one). ^^;

duads are individual degrees assigned to each sign... you don't have to worry too much about duads and monomoria or day/night rulers unless you wish too~ just feel out what works for you, and what feels right.

Mercury is an easier planet to explain/understand though~ I think...

Saturn is exalted in Libra, which only occurs every 30 years or so, I believe. But, through the same method, someone can have 3rd decan Aquarius Saturn, or 2nd Decan Gemini Saturn, and still be considered in exaltation when the duad/decans are maintained. Likewise Saturn is most debilitated when it falls into the sign of Aries.

There's more to it here- like I said you have houses where a planet exhalts, naturally rules, and is in fall/debilitated too...

Kind of planetary hierarchy... ^^;

It's too easy and narrows things too much to just look at even this much of an analysis... because you can have planets that actually aid and/or mute the debilitation of a placement. Again, I won't go on too much with all of this... but, there are so many factors that go into reading a chart, more than I ever would have imagined when I started into astrology... =x I'm continually amazed! =D

As for the aspect interaction in general - you are absolutely right~ the sign placements of the planets involved within an aspect, can be entirely different sign to sign, or person to person... You can have two people with the same sign placements making the exact same aspect, but they may have different orbs for one, different decans, duads, and even other forces influencing the aspect!~!~!
(like stellium placements in one of those signs including one of the aspect, or having other planets make aspects to the same planet that are favourable (or not)... it can change the entire influence of the aspect for that natal.

um... *__* I went on and on a lot~ ^^; hope some of this is helpful in explaining things~

you're on the right track, it seems, and grasping things very quickly!~ don't be discouraged, or doubtful, you got this! <3

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Holy! That was a lot.

Well, now it's time for my Virgo moon to process and organize all of this. Woot!

Thanks!