posted March 17, 2013 04:21 AM            

It seems maybe 85-90% of my friends have this aspect, ok either the actual aspect, or square by sign (which still counts for something).
The exception is fairly rare, this trend has been going on for some years ~

I'm blaming: my Sun/Uranus square vs. my Moon/Pluto square, which gives me the flavoring of an Aquarius/Scorpio.

Point being, if you have this square in the chart do you tend to partner/ or friend/off with those who also have the square? Or do they have something like my set-up, maybe Sun conj Venus & Moon conj Mars sorta thing..
My natal Sun/Moon are sextile by sign but not in major aspect.

And just in general do you find that over the years it's easier for you to integrate the qualities inherent in the square signs? Are you regarded as a bit of a character, or more apt to blend into the background?

I wonder if it's also that these people seem more interesting to me, I believe that I see them as characters in a sense (in a good way), but wondering if that's the self-assessment here too?

posted March 17, 2013 04:27 AM            

I don't have any friends with it (that I'm aware of) and I can't imagine what it's like being friends with them, actually so much drama!

I bet they are interesting, though!

The comparison you make is quite surprising, Sun/Uranus vs Moon/Pluto..

posted March 17, 2013 05:00 AM            

My mom is Cancer Sun, Aries Moon and she isn't very conflicted either. In fact, she is quite solid on who she is and what she wants. My Best friend is Leo Sun, Scorpio Moon and she is one of the most thoughtful, considerate, and tolerant people I know, she has her head tightly screwed on and though she is introspective, I wouldn't consider her conflicted.

Actually, my best friend and I belonged to a group of friends who we slowly gravitated away from because there was too much drama. The others were Sun Gemini/Moon Scorpio, Sun Cap/Moon Pisces, Sun Cancer/Moon Taurus, Sun Gemini/Moon Cancer, Sun Taurus/Moon Cancer. None with Sun square Moon, ALL with severe drama issues.

posted March 17, 2013 10:51 AM            

Hmm what I notice about the people you mentioned is that they all have Water Moons.
And actually, now that I think about it, the people I've known with the Sun/Moon square all had either their Sun or their Moon in a Water sign. Maybe that's got something to do with it. Watery people do enjoy drama, most of the time (even though they won't always admit it!).

I think with maturity, a square - especially between personal planets - can be very beneficial. It gives a certain depth and perception of things that others with easier aspects don't usually acquire.

posted March 17, 2013 11:53 AM            

Leo-sun/Scorp-Moon (orb 9+)

(Aqua-Mars square Moon orb 3 btw)

Since I'm *really* open for something *serious* regarding intimate relationship (which only the past few years, although ofcourse I thought I always was) I have attracted 2 serious connections (one is current) and the most striking thing here is this; they both have a Sun/Moon sextile with an orb of 10-11. WHICH... makes in *both* Composite charts a Sun/Moon square with orb 5.

This current one coincidentally has an *exact* parallel Sun/Uranus and a parallel Moon/Pluto (0,30) in the declinations.
But that other one? Hm.. except for a Sun/Mars square (8) a Moon/Merc. square (1,50) and a Sun/Nept. square (3) I can't find much..

I know, there's much more to discover.

posted March 17, 2013 01:25 PM            

I am always amazed at the freaking accuracy if it is REALLY important.
Do you have some planet on their Sun/Moon-mp? Maybe you fulfill a need in them?

BTW have you checked the converse prrogressions and also the tertiaries?
I am totally blown away by those currently.

posted March 17, 2013 02:11 PM            

.. nor how to find the converse progressions.
I can only remember that it was too complex to figure that out some time ago.

**Do you have some planet on their Sun/Moon-mp?**

posted March 17, 2013 03:14 PM            

tertiary progressions are used as a pinpointer, as to when the secondary progressions (yearly) most often will come into play.

However, according to Blashke - and i have found that to be VERY true- they also relate to our emotional body, how we perceive certain things on a purely emotional level (sometimes it will not show in external events though, if not tied to natal or sp angles).
The orb is very tight - under one degree.

MY"... when I found their progr. S/M midpoints recently, my progressed tertiarie(??) NN/SN on Cap-Cancer at the exact same degree applying (0'19) to their "normal" progressed Sun/Mooon midpoints."

posted March 17, 2013 06:14 PM            

I have a square sun and moon and so does everybody but one person in my immediate family and they have sun/moon opposition.
All of my best friends have had sun square moon, except for one of my first best friends who had aqua/aqua and another who had opposite cancer/capricorn.

posted October 16, 2015 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by runtzy:
Another way I've heard sun square moon manifest is being "your own worst enemy" and "getting in your own way". I have this aspect, and I feel this is accurate, because I never feel like I'm acting natural...

I was wondering what people thought about this, is it your sun getting in the way of your moon? Or your moon getting in the way of your sun?

I have a 10th house Gem Sun square a 7th house Pisces moon. I think for me it's issue that the needs of my identity (Sun) are not always very compatible with my emotional needs (moon). My Gem Sun needs to explore and evolve and achieve, be independent, individualistic and free, which pulls me in a direction way off the track my moon wants to be on--quiet, stable, attached.

Given that my chart is mostly air, my Sun tends to win, and tells my Pisces moon to go sit in the corner. I tend to "live in my head" and detach myself from my emotions. Life is just easier that way. I recall one horoscope reading that continually referred to my "troublesome emotions" getting in my way and how I needed to learn how to mange these emotions. I manage them by locking them in a closet and ignoring them.

I only delve into my emotions when I'm working on my music or writing, or during my time alone. I spend a lot of time alone. It's actually really hard for me to show my emotional side to other (having Venus conjunct Saturn prolly doesn't help much here either). Because people expect me to be this airy, cerebral person all the time, it can be quite a shock for them to get a glimpse into my Piscean inner life. That is perhaps the hardest thing--feeling that I am not a very well "integrated" person and so people only seem to get to know parts of me. It takes effort on the part of other people to get to know me in a real, deeper sense and I often feel that people don't see me as worth the effort (Venus cj Saturn again). So my Pisces moon self feels very neglected and invisible most of the time.

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I don't doubt there can be Sun sq Moon who are not genuinely conflicted. But I wanted to post this here as an unabashedly honest admission of how many of us with Sun sq Moon actually achieve something reassembling a state of not being in conflict. We detach from one side of ourselves--or as I euphemistically like to say, "lock" that side "in a closet" and tell it to "shut up".

For someone with this natal aspect to have truly integrated both their Sun and Moon, they would have to have a lot of self-awareness and life experience. You don't get to be born with an innate knack for handling this aspect. It requires work and growth, and with squares, that means tough and often painful work and growth.

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Very interesting, Xiiro!

Hmm what I notice about the people you mentioned is that they all have Water Moons.
And actually, now that I think about it, the people I've known with the Sun/Moon square all had either their Sun or their Moon in a Water sign. Maybe that's got something to do with it. Watery people do enjoy drama, most of the time (even though they won't always admit it!).

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posted October 20, 2015 07:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Soltze:
My dad has a Leo Sun and a Taurus Moon...fire with earth, sound reasonable doesn't it??
Noooo...big drama man. Conflict is his middle name. Like there's two personalities. I can handle the Taurus moon, sometimes he can give me some emotional clarity since I have a Scorp moon and things get too crazy...
But when he's on Leo mode (which is most of the time) I feel like shooting him. I don't understand his need to be seen and worshipped all the time. Geez

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My last boss was a Leo with Taurus moon. He was total d-bag and an a**hole. Seriously, he will try to "scold" me like I am a 5 year old child for littlest thing ever (Mostly non-work related things too). And trust me, I worked in a very professional setting, not at a McDonald's.
One time, I was 5 minutes late for my lunch break for the first time, he was FURIOUS and talked crap to me about it for an HOUR and held the company meeting for this.
Last time he was yelling at me for stupid things, I just grabbed my bag and left. He was such a psycho. He had emotional/anger issues within himself. He did that to many other employees as well who also quit. *Surprise surprise*

posted October 21, 2015 02:18 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
These ppl usually grow up with parents who don't get along but aren't separated... I've noticed..

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posted October 21, 2015 09:04 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
These ppl usually grow up with parents who don't get along but aren't separated... I've noticed..

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posted October 21, 2015 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:

It seems maybe 85-90% of my friends have this aspect, ok either the actual aspect, or square by sign (which still counts for something).
The exception is fairly rare, this trend has been going on for some years ~

I'm blaming: my Sun/Uranus square vs. my Moon/Pluto square, which gives me the flavoring of an Aquarius/Scorpio.

Point being, if you have this square in the chart do you tend to partner/ or friend/off with those who also have the square? Or do they have something like my set-up, maybe Sun conj Venus & Moon conj Mars sorta thing..
My natal Sun/Moon are sextile by sign but not in major aspect.

And just in general do you find that over the years it's easier for you to integrate the qualities inherent in the square signs? Are you regarded as a bit of a character, or more apt to blend into the background?

I wonder if it's also that these people seem more interesting to me, I believe that I see them as characters in a sense (in a good way), but wondering if that's the self-assessment here too?

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Mm oh yea, my SO has this natally. I do not (I actually don't even have a Sun/Moon aspect in my chart.)

He is a liiiiittle intense sometimes, ha. Mostly, I think he has so many natal squares because his upbringing has always been hard. His family has many many abnormal hardships upon them - he carries a lot of that around with him and always will.

When he is set off, I basically just take shelter from the storm until he's back to normal again. He gets moody, fatalistic and sometimes very very hard on others when he's in a certain frame of mind.