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mockingbird
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posted March 21, 2013 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You add asteroids.

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I'm posting this here because it's more of a general subject that references asteroids.
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Have any of you looked at relationships with lackluster synastries but nice composites?

Over time, I've noticed interesting patterns with my and my husband's asteroids in synastry, but didn't think much of it.
Then I threw 10 asteroids (the astro.com max) on and reduced the orb to 2 (20%):

Have any of you noticed the same (or would you like to try)?

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posted March 21, 2013 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree.

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posted March 21, 2013 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's Uranus opposite Venus like? I haven't seen it too much in marriages and yours is pretty tight

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posted March 21, 2013 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uranus conjunct ASC, Chiron conjunct DSC? Doesnt sound too appealing sounds too..crazy and painful. Maybe if ya like that if you have a dominate Air or Uranus i dunno lol

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posted March 21, 2013 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dunno

We're really happy, odd in complentary ways.

Maybe it works because I have a 1h Uranus tightly trine my Sun and he has a 7h Uranus.

*shrug*

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posted March 21, 2013 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mockingbird:
Dunno

We're really happy, odd in complentary ways.

Maybe it works because I have a 1h Uranus tightly trine my Sun and he has a 7h Uranus.

*shrug*



yup thats the spice

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posted March 21, 2013 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ re: Chiron: We were both really "injured" when we came into the relationship and have worked to heal one another quite a bit, actually.

Edited to add: I figure it's played out like that.
We have Chiron conj our Sun/Venus conj in the 4th in our composite, too.
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posted March 21, 2013 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Uranus conjunct ASC, Chiron conjunct DSC? Doesnt sound too appealing sounds too..crazy and painful. Maybe if ya like that if you have a dominate Air or Uranus i dunno lol

He's also a Gemini and I have an Aqua Moon in the 3rd.
Weirdos

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posted March 21, 2013 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But, c'mon - I don't want this to get kicked over to personal readings.

Hs anyone else seen examples of this?

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posted March 21, 2013 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, I haven`t found that asteroids "elevate" an oomphless synastry to gold star status, though they detail the picture.

However, what i have found is that people sometimes underestimate very important points in their synastry.

For example: yours is definitely not a boring one.

Just see this ASC-DESC-conjunction alone.
And then I see Pluto, as ASC-ruler, on the NN.

A Sun-Jupiter in 8th house, and Jupiter-Mars-NN- in 5th house in the other direction.

MC-ruler conjunct the other`s MC - very nice for being able to build a life together, going into the same direction.


Also, the composite probably has a Venus-Mars-sextile.
The reason for its existence is that both people have a Venus-Mars-aspect natally (trine and conjunction).

It`s even possible that the Venus of the Venus-Mars-sextile falls into conjunction to both Venus-positions.

It might even be more prominent, as the composite Venus is possibly squaring the composite ASC-DESC-axis, which might even trigger / conjunct the inner person`s Moon!


The asteroids are of course giving some more colour to the whole package, some detailed informations, but the synastry itself shows that there are some core connections here.

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posted March 21, 2013 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah...I'm not yet good enough to get all of that

Here's our composite since you brought it up: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/proxieme/91c999d0f751c6cf0c9873adb245a71a_zpsb49bc792.jpg

This isn't a personal reading, though, Mods!

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posted March 21, 2013 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You bring up a good point, though - sometimes we're just not experienced enough to see what's really there.

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posted March 21, 2013 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mockingbird:
You bring up a good point, though - sometimes we're just not experienced enough to see what's really there.


That is what I truely believe.
That we just have begun deciphering the languae of astrology, and much ofit is in a trial and error stage.

It is like we have (most of) the words, yet we are still trying to compose them, so that whole sentences come together. ANd if they do, we are still looking for the grammatical law behind it.


However, my working hypothis that I am pretty much convinced of is, that if there is strong activation (conjunction and opposition mostly, and tight orbed) of Sun, Moon, the angles, Vertex, nodal axis and their rulers, it indicates that to people are triggering something in the core of each other.

At the same time if these connections are completely missing, I wouldn´t place my bets on them becoming longterm partners and being "soulmates" (after all for being a soulmate you need to have a connection to each other`s soul, and the soul - in astrological tradition- is represented mainly by lunar symbolism).

The same goes for the composite btw, which is just a composition of both natals after all.

Then after having checked these basics, it is definitely very telling to look for the romantic vibes, be it through Venus and Mars, ruler of 5th and 8th and 7th house, or through asteroids.

For example I find it quite interesting to see that in a composite with someone the NN is exactly conjunct Amor and Cupido, all three of them being on 20 Libra.
I guess it must try to tell me something. However, it needs to be asessed against the backdrops of the luminaries and angles, and also how it triggers the natal charts.

(in this case the compi nodal axis is squaring Moon and Venus, also making a midpoint configuration - instantly alerting me to the possibility that I might be dealing with a skipped step here, especially with that Moon-Venus being in 12th house.

It is also interesting to note that the composite SN falls onto my natal Chiron, and the NN-Amor-Cupido conjuncts his natal Pluto.
With composite Moon being conjunct my natal Antivertex and Sun/Moon-mp and his Venus.


How to decipher all of this? Well, honestly I haven`t yet dared to even tough on that. LOL

But what I want to say is that it is important to see any asteroid conjunctions in the tapestry of the whole chart, or at least of the pattern it is part of.

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posted March 21, 2013 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As for your composite.
See? As I assumed. lol

I like how Venus is part of that pattern in your composite along with the Sun.
As I think Venus or similiar symbols need to be involved for a soulconnection to become romantic.

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posted March 21, 2013 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow, I am speachless.... Stunned

the Sun, the Moon, Mercury , Venus and Mars for BOTH of you are NOT aspecting any of the other's planets. How on earth is that ever possible? I have never seen a synastry like that before in my life.

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posted March 21, 2013 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's just with the orb down to 2 max.

Here's the chart w/ it cranked back up:

Ceri - Food for thought, and I'm going to reply more thoroughly later. For now, duty calls.

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posted March 21, 2013 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah ok thats better. It was misleading.

How do you feel your Moon in square to his Venus/Mars conj. ? I have this same aspect with someone new.

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posted March 21, 2013 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't say that I notice anything bad about it.

We don't really fight (together for 4 years), but that may be in part because we're both prone towards intellectualizing and talking through our rare disagreements.

Subjectively, I can say that I feel loved and appreciated, but I'm not sure how to separate that influence out from the rest of the synastry.

Edited to add: I looked up description of those aspects and can't really say that I see either *except*, perhaps, some codependency - we joke that it's not bad if both people like it, though

We're not restless around each other (Mars/Moon) -'in fact, a pretty pronounced issue for us is that we'll be doing chores, start talking, get deep into conversation, and then a couple of hours have evaporated.

For Venus/Moon, don't know what to say. We both compliment the heck out of each other and are always telling the other about something that we appreciate about them. We both had some pretty awful relationships before this one, though, so it's very much a thing we *do* rather than "let happen".
It's only been 4 years, though - perhaps we'll come to take each other for granted

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posted March 21, 2013 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Ceridwen that your chart has a lot of good stuff. You aren't missing the 'oomph', so don't worry! lol

I notice he has Venus and Mars conjunct his South node in his natal, and your Pluto is conjunct his North Node and opposite his Venus and Mars. That's pretty powerful.

His Saturn is square your Venus. I know how that one is! lol It can be a little cold, but it's not thaaat bad. Especially since your Neptune is on his Moon and trine his Venus/Mars.

I really like your Jupiter/Mars trine his Venus/Mars. That's a blessing for any relationship.

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posted March 21, 2013 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ELoveCherishEndure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hola,

I wish my synastry chart looked that interesting or moreso compatible smh

But hey, maybe, I will have someone soon who will be this intriguing.

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posted March 21, 2013 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks!

I guess it really just goes to show that looking deeper pays off.

Ceri - I agree re: not knowing the whole language yet.
I have the feeling that if we knew what to look for, we could know all there is to know about ourselves and this life - but where's the fun in that?
As it is, I'll settle for knowing that all of existence is contained within and reflected by (and, conversely, reflects and manifests) its components.

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posted March 21, 2013 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ELoveCherishEndure:
Hola,

I wish my synastry chart looked that interesting or moreso compatible smh

But hey, maybe, I will have someone soon who will be this intriguing.



We both kissed a few frogs along the way

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posted March 21, 2013 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ELoveCherishEndure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mockingbird:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ELoveCherishEndure:
[b]Hola,

I wish my synastry chart looked that interesting or moreso compatible smh

But hey, maybe, I will have someone soon who will be this intriguing.



We both kissed a few frogs along the way


[/B][/QUOTE]

LOL I finished your reading...
So, tell me if I missed what you were looking for or if I was on point with it.
But I would show you my synastry chart but it is lackluster.

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posted March 21, 2013 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh!

*hops on over*

re: the synastry: If you want to post it over in personal readings, we can try to pick our way through it.

I'm not expert, but two (or however many want to join in) heads and all.

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posted March 21, 2013 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oppositions are nice in synastry.
It gives that sizzle

As they say opposites attract

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