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MorteImperator
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posted March 21, 2013 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MorteImperator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I was first getting into Astrology, I was a Pro-Pisces fan. If you seen my posts in other sites under the various different aliases I had, I was ranting about how great Pisces is, specifically our blessed beauty and our dreamy personality . Why I had three older usernames I've abandoned for good (actually one of them I still use for DeviantArt but I plan to change it)that had "Pisces" in it.

Once I started getting into deeper Astrology I began to scoff and despise at "Sun Sign Astrology". You all seen one of my first thread here .

So I completely began to saw Sun Signs as useless and even started bashing the general public's view of Astrology (a la Sun Signs is what most people only know) in various forums.

Recently after observing the natal charts of several friends for whom I calculated theirs as well as mine, I began to start rethinking my Astrological theories.

Now as an introduction there are two seperate camps in Astrology-the readers of Newspaper Astrology and the serious enthusiasts.

The former only know about Sun Signs and think thats all there is to Astrology. For those who fit in the latter category who know of their Moon and Ascendant, they still think that the Sun Sign is the most important part of the chart. I seen some go as far stating its the Soul.

The latter (who make up much of this forum) generally tend to hold the simplistic view of the Zodiac Signs in contempt, saying Sun Signs alone is useless. I seen so many in the latter in plenty of Astrology Forums state the Moon Signs and Rising Signs are faaarrr more important than the Sun Signs, and the Sun Signs is practically the most useless.

I was on both sides in my amateur career into Astrology (you all pretty much seen my stage in life when I was the latter).

After reading the natal chart of a friend of mine who's an Aries with a Libra Moon and Cancer Rising, I began to wonder.

He may have a Cancer Ascendant and Libra Moon and portray traits of those placements, but all in all he's an Aries personality at the core.

I just checked his chart and in addition to his Sun, his Mercury and Mars are in Aries. All his Aries are aspected especially the Sun which is among the strongest Aspected in his whole chart.

I saw his percentages and he is Aries Dominant 20%.

In fact before I told him more about Astrology beyond Sun Sign, he felt he pretty much the Aries Personality spot on esp. the Militaristic personality (he was a Paratrooper in Vietnam and Military was among his primary careers in life).

However I also checked a siblings chart and sibling is Saggie Rising. Saggie planets in charts are dominant with Jupiter as Dominant Planet at 15.8% and his Pluto (also in Saggie) was the third dominant planet at 12.8%.

Sagittarius dominates the chart by a whopping 17.5%.

Trust me you could not imagine sibling was either a Virgo or Capricorn Moon if you met Sibling.

However a friend of mine in DeviantArt checked her percentages. Turns out her Capricorn planets (3 IIRC including Saturn) were dominant and she was a Capricorn Dominant 20%. She doesn't have an Earth Sign for her Basic 3s so this surprised both of us.

As I relooked at my chart, my Sun (in Pisces) is my 2nd Dominant Planet at 14.1%.

Pisces Sun is far away from a dominant sign, being fifth dominant. However when I look at my Sun I can see why I had so many Piscean traits all my life-especially the negatives like Escapism.Which isn't surprising considering all the Aspects my Sun has especially that Quincunx between Sun and Moon (Leo).

My father is a Leo-Virgo-Scorpio Dominant (which was really surprising because he is a Capricorn Moon, Sagittarius Sun, and Taurus Rising).

After looking at the charts of several people I calculated as well as revisiting mine, I have gone in between the two parties.

My conclusion: How important the Sun is DEPENDS on an individuals charts particularly how aspected it is, what house its in, the percentages of the signs, and what other placements are in the same sign as sun.

In my case I'm a Scorpio Dominant with Aquari a near second place (Pluto breaks the stalemate and makes me a Scorpio dominant in the end). However my chart shows my Pisces Sun is a VERY STRONG influence, being the second dominant planet and while Percentage wise Pisces is distant from being a close third place, I have my Venus in Pisces and my Pisces placements are all very strongly aspected so the influence cannot be denied.

In addition I'm a Pisces Decan Scorpio Riser.

So Pisces is a VERY STRONG INFLUENCE.

In fact when I first calculated my percentages I was truly shocked Pisces wasn't among my top 3 and Capricorn was tied with Leo as third dominant Sign. Leo didn't suprise me but Capricorn did-I was at the very least expecting Pisces to make it third or at least tie third with another sign and I was not expecting Capricorn to be such a powerful influence in my chart.

I began to discredit Pisces at that point.

But as I study my Aspects and my Planetary Percentages, I hav eindeed realized Pisces is ONE of the most powerful influences in my chart afterall (if not then at least my Sun is).

I know longer discredit Sun Sign Astrology entirely. I have come to the conclusion that how important the Sun is really depends on the person's chart. In many cases, the Moon and Rising Sign are more accurate to people's personalities and thus more important. In some cases the Sun Sign is the placement that matches some people best.

In most cases, I suspects its like me-Sun isn't the most important placement but plays a MAJOR ROLE in the chart and influences the rest of the chart profoundly;it heavily alters the effects of both the Moon and Ascendant. Thats my theory of how it would turn out in most people's chart.


What do you think?

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Faith
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posted March 21, 2013 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's just a matter of the astrologer developing an informed sensitivity and learning how to read people. Everything is important, but I think that perceptive people who try and figure out a person's chart without a birthday will probably catch the sun sign first, because it's usually the most discernible.

It's not to say that the sun energy is the most important...but usually the most obvious. It can reveal a great deal about the likelihood of a person engaging in certain overt behaviors. Like the story of my life, on the surface, lines up more closely with what you would expect from a Cap sun than anything else I could just point to on my chart. Yes, I am rather emotional for a Cap, but emotions didn't dictate my major life decisions... practicality, ambition, traditional family values, and other Cappy traits did.

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posted March 21, 2013 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It all depends on the chart.
All the planets are important.
The thing is some people sun signs are overwhelmly strong.
I've guessed a lot of peoples sun signs correctly.
A lot times I was wrong and actually guessed their moon sign.
Sometimes I just see dominant planets coming through.

From my experience the most immediate and strongest vibes I get from people is the moon,sun, asc, and dominant planet.

So it sometimes it seems like the sun may be overshadowed by other planets and placements but the sun is literally the core of your personality.
The moon is an extremely important placement too, its your psychological mind set. Having a badly placed moon is like a curse. Its like having a never ending war in your mind.
Without the sun we would not even exist, so that go to show how much of importance it is..

In Vedic astrology sun is considered your soul and your role in this lifetime

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starfairy
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posted March 21, 2013 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree ^^

Sun, Moon, and Ascendant= Big 3! They are all so important..

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Randall
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posted March 21, 2013 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Sun is the largest luminary body and thus will have the largest influence, imho.

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MorteImperator
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posted March 21, 2013 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MorteImperator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:


In Vedic astrology sun is considered your soul and your role in this lifetime[/B]


Are you sure?Most websites and one Vedic Astrologer stated is the Ascendant thats your Soul and the most Important placement in your chart.

As for Tropical Astrology, I pretty much am the school it depends on your chart.

However there are other schools of Western Astrology such as Soul Astrology which states other placements in your chart are most important and the Sun is rather minor. In the case of Soul Astrology, its the Ascendant thats the soul and most important placement.

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posted March 22, 2013 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MorteImperator:
Are you sure?Most websites and one Vedic Astrologer stated is the Ascendant thats your Soul and the most Important placement in your chart.

As for Tropical Astrology, I pretty much am the school it depends on your chart.

However there are other schools of Western Astrology such as Soul Astrology which states other placements in your chart are most important and the Sun is rather minor. In the case of Soul Astrology, its the Ascendant thats the soul and most important placement.


The soul?
never heard of that.
In vedic the sun is the soul but thats about it.
Psychology is determined by the moon and the asc is your physical manifestation.
The moon is given extreme importance in vedic astrology more so than the sun.

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Kerosene
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posted March 22, 2013 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's the vedic perspective of the sun in astrology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlK3ch3eE44

0:51 "sun is your soul"
*Points to heart* lol

This guy is the premier vedic astrologer.

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Jessica2407
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posted March 22, 2013 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ Yup, the Sun ( Surya) is the natural 'atmakaraka'.Karaka means significator, atma means soul.Natural significators are fixed, it relates to the nature of the planets.

Seven karakas in order of decreasing longitude are:

Starting from the highest degree down to the lowest degree

Atma (Soul)

Amatya (Intellect/Mind)

Bhratri (Siblings)

Matri (Mother)

Putra (Children)

Gnati (Collateral relatives)

Dara (Spouse)

So your sun sign is pretty important.

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Kerosene
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posted March 22, 2013 02:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I heard its the moon in vedic because the moon rules your everyday life too. An exalted/well placed and aspected moon is a blessing.

Makes sense because the moon changes everyday and so everyone within the same sign has an individual approach in life.

If you have a badly aspected or debilitated sun you can still have a widely successful life in this incarnation.
Thou you may not achieve any of your spiritual goals in this lifetime.

The soul does not matter in this physical plane.

The moon however does.

In vedic astrologers barely give attention to the sun its all about the moon.
The moon even has its own chart lol.

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Jessica2407
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posted March 22, 2013 04:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All planets are as important in Vedic to assure a highly successfull life, you can have a slightly afflicted moon, but have a highly rewarding Saturn.

Although the Chandra Rasi of an individual is very important. The Panjang of the Hindus is based on the Moon. The main pointer for marital bliss is to compare chandra rasis of the couple. Am not sure what's my opinion on that, am not entirely convinced..

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Odette
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posted March 22, 2013 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mercury and Mars are important. A man who has Sun, Mercury and Mars all in Aries will be extra Aries like. It's no surprise.
That doesn't mean "it's all about sun signs". It depends on the individual chart.

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posted March 22, 2013 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maelstrom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MorteImperator:

In most cases, I suspects its like me-Sun isn't the most important placement but plays a [b]MAJOR ROLE
in the chart and influences the rest of the chart profoundly;it heavily alters the effects of both the Moon and Ascendant. Thats my theory of how it would turn out in most people's chart.

What do you think?[/B]


I think the same pretty much. Even Linda Goodman herself refers to the sunsign in her book, she says something along the lines of "no influence can overpower the sun sign, as the sun shines brighter than any other". It's not the exact quote but words to the effect. The sunsign is the soul.

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MorteImperator
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posted March 22, 2013 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MorteImperator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Maelstrom:
I think the same pretty much. Even Linda Goodman herself refers to the sunsign in her book, she says something along the lines of "no influence can overpower the sun sign, as the sun shines brighter than any other". It's not the exact quote but words to the effect. The sunsign is the soul.

I disagree about the Sun Sign being the Soul.

TBH we don't really know. There are so many different schools of Astrology out there that emphasize different things.

Soul Astrology for example states the Ascendant is the Soul.

Esoteric Astrology states your Soul is constantly changing Signs-in your last life it was your Moon Sign, this life its your Sun Sign, next life its your Ascendant.

I can't remember what school it was but there's a branch that even states the Moon Sign is the Soul.

As far as Vedic is concerned-I'm really wondering. Most sites state the Ascendant is the MOST IMPORTANT placement and I recall one I visited saying the Soul is the Ascendant.

So I disagree with Linda's belief the Sun is the Soul. THe only thing I can say for sure is that until as of this moment on Earth no one can say for sure what placement represents the Soul.

I still hold my opinion, the Sun isn't necessarily the most important placement and it really deends on an individual's chart. But for most of us its probably in between, the Sun is certainly important enough to influence and alter other placements but is not the Dominant placement.

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posted March 22, 2013 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maelstrom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MorteImperator:
I disagree about the Sun Sign being the Soul.

TBH we don't really know. There are so many different schools of Astrology out there that emphasize different things.

Soul Astrology for example states the Ascendant is the Soul.

Esoteric Astrology states your Soul is constantly changing Signs-in your last life it was your Moon Sign, this life its your Sun Sign, next life its your Ascendant.

I can't remember what school it was but there's a branch that even states the Moon Sign is the Soul.

As far as Vedic is concerned-I'm really wondering. Most sites state the Ascendant is the [b]MOST IMPORTANT placement and I recall one I visited saying the Soul is the Ascendant.

So I disagree with Linda's belief the Sun is the Soul. THe only thing I can say for sure is that until as of this moment on Earth no one can say for sure what placement represents the Soul.

I still hold my opinion, the Sun isn't necessarily the most important placement and it really deends on an individual's chart. But for most of us its probably in between, the Sun is certainly important enough to influence and alter other placements but is not the Dominant placement.[/B]


Errrrr, I was actually agreeing with your theory (in the last paragraph of your post)that the sun colours the moon and ascendant...hence my referral to linda goodman.

There are so many different ideas in astrology it is hard to know what to believe.

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posted March 22, 2013 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's very important in the natal chart, but much less important in the synastry chart. imo, the sun is not our emotional self or how we react to things, but more about how we present ourselves overall and how we come across to others (much like the asc). it dictates a lot about our personal style and preferences and even, to some degree, hobbies and activities we might enjoy. so it has importance. but in synastry I tend to disregard it, because synastry is more about emotions/attraction and then the sun sign plays a less important role. often I disregard it altogether unless it's the only planet that is well-aspected

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