posted March 23, 2013 11:13 PM            

I've heard that relationships often don't survive one's Saturn Return period, OR they become cemented (i.e. the relationship survives and the two get married). I've also heard that those who have natal Venus-Saturn aspects should avoid marrying until after their Saturn Return.

My question is, what about relationships that form DURING the Saturn Return? Some say that those are "fated" but I'm not sure why.

posted March 23, 2013 11:29 PM            

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Originally posted by odessamoon:
Hi, fellow LLers -

I've heard that relationships often don't survive one's Saturn Return period, OR they become cemented (i.e. the relationship survives and the two get married). I've also heard that those who have natal Venus-Saturn aspects should avoid marrying until after their Saturn Return.

My question is, what about relationships that form DURING the Saturn Return? Some say that those are "fated" but I'm not sure why.

Odessa

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My mother died during my Saturn return. It was devastating for me because it was sudden, she was only 53 and we were very close. We were so close.

posted March 23, 2013 11:45 PM            

It brought up family issues. Had nothing to do with romantic relationships.

Saturn is more a teacher to one's self. Some people get married at that time, which might be their life's greatest, hardest, most profound lesson.

posted March 24, 2013 12:44 AM            

My Saturn is returning right now into the 3rd house. My relationship with my husband is fine, it's actually better than it was for the past 3 years. There's been an overhaul of my communication and connection dynamics with my relatives back home. (3rd house, communication, lower education, short travel, native - kinfolk)

Venus is semisextile my Saturn which is conjunct Eros Natal - transit will not reach return point until November for me.

It helps to look at what Saturn rules as well - since everything reflects back into his own house. My Saturn rules my Sun and Mercury (5th house Sun, 4th house Sag cusp Cap Merc)

So Saturn is my sun's ruler... which is perhaps why, despite the various losses and trials, I do not feel anything negative has happened. My father's are gone, but I will see them again one day, I should hope.
My financial complications are more of a factor when Pluto's transit is factored in...

Saturn return alone will only effect his own house of placement and house of rule, and trigger your natal placements... if you have dealt with his contacts already in your chart, and handled them all well, there's nothing strange about it... you've lived with him there for 29 years, a returning planet will only show what you already have in your chart on its own.

The different or spontaneous and sometimes troublesome effects that occur during any return are really just transit on transit responses.

Like Pluto and Saturn moving through sextile signs, or having all those planets pass through Aquarius, then trine from Pisces...

these houses are being triggered, if you have natal placements/aspects in/to them they will be triggered, and then you will have transit to transit response, especially when they are rulers of the house being transited....

Such as when transit Pluto in Capricorn was sextile to Saturn in Scorpio transit - this made the natal ruler of my 3rd house, in direct sextile to transit Pluto... (which corresponds with transit Neptune in Pisces, in my 6th, ruler of my 7th aspecting his own natal placement in my 4th) -

relationships are probably formed and solidified under Saturn returns - just like any other transit time... if Saturn rules one of your relationship houses, and/or falls into them, then it may very strongly point to that kind of circumstance popping up, that opportunity.

Venus and Saturn in "soft" aspect are usually a good sign in a natal or synastry chart. Venus in hard aspect to Saturn can be difficult when there are no other supportive factors in place.

And, then there is progression.

I wouldn't fear Saturn return relationships of any sort right now... but, that's just the way my chart reads... I need more stable contacts and to make things work again... oddly enough the Sabian symbol for my Saturn placement reads very similar to what is important to me right now. (though I still do not like Sabians!) lol My marriage has recovered more of its original foundation... although those Pisces transits were hard on both of us (Sag/Vir in our charts) - hah!
Now that things have made way into Aries, we're even communicating a bit more!

Saturn return was harder on my husband than me. (His Saturn conjunct my Pluto-Mars in early Scorpio). So, I can see some truth in something of what you said - there's mending... but it is Saturn's place, his job... to make things function, and properly. As far as I can tell... Saturn has only brought good things on his return, he's doin' a good job... but, ask me again in another 7 or 8 months... XD XD XD !

posted March 26, 2013 12:55 AM            

T - that was very insightful. I hadn't considered SR's being more about the self than others. It makes sense because my SR was an intense period of maturation and a forced "growing up," and it didn't matter so much who was in my life but how I was reacting to them.

SaturnineMoth - interesting nuggets of info there. What did you mean by, 'transit on transit reponses'? Also, I completely agree with you that hard Venus-Saturn aspects are troublesome. I have a natal square there, and it causes me to believe I am unlovable.

posted March 26, 2013 03:52 PM            

I’m in the middle of my Saturn Return. The relationship that I’m currently in started the year before my Return did and we’re getting married during the Return and plan to have a child once the Return ends.

I think this has little to do with Saturn and more to do with the age at which the first return is happening. I’ve had a few friends around my age end their relationships but again I think it has to do with the timing and simply maturing and knowing what you want or don’t want.