posted March 30, 2013 12:07 AM            

I go to Astrodienist and did a Twin search and came up with an EXACT replica of her chart... every aspect is identical. He is Michael Goldwater, son of Barry Goldwater. They were both born the same day... she at 8:20 a.m. and he at 9:15 a.m. but he was in Phoenix AZ.

So, how come he didn't die and my sister did?

posted March 30, 2013 08:45 AM            

If anyone is saying that the chart can foretell the exact time of death...I am very skeptical of that. I think there are times that will be more tumultuous and "risky" than others, yes, but that's not a death sentence.

I also think there is meaning encoded in the death chart, which reflects on the unique quality of the life that's been lived.

For instance, my mother's Cap Mars was being bombarded by the outer planet Cap stellium at the time when she died.

Though a solar Leo, her Mars energy was very pronounced. If she had walked another path, it may have remedied her overbearing Mars, and protected her from that outer-planet onslaught, enabling her to live longer.

posted March 30, 2013 09:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
The houses and the moons should be different, houses and rulers are very important and make a huge difference...

A lot of people will be born around the same time, but they can be totally different, that's mostly because of the houses and the moon move really fast.

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I have NEVER seen a chart so exactly the same in my life. The ascendent, the Moon are exact! The only thing I can say is that perhaps if my sister lived in Arizona her life would have been different because of the progression long. and lat. thing. I will post pics of these two charts because it will be unbelievable to you as it is to me. I wish I could find out more about his man. I'll post the charts later today.

Peggy:

posted March 30, 2013 12:02 PM            

But there are still a few differences, ur sisters sun,merc are in h12, her twin is in h11..

Which her Neptune in h6, Ihis in h5. I have read that Neptune in h6, can give mis dignosed on health issues.

Their asc are 5degrees apart, when looking at transits you wanna keep them tight at 2or less..
Some of their house rulers are different, like h12 and h6

And also, not everyone who are born on the same day, will pass on the same day... For some reasons transits effect people differently...

It's highly possible the guy had some sort of traumatic event on this day, maybe a close friend died ( h11)
It's hard to say, also I'm no expert... It's just maybe some sort of explanation..
Maybe some one with more expertise can jump in here.
I'm really sorry for ur loss....

My astro twin is a gymnast, when I had a daughter, I named her silver, he won the silver metal...
Try to figure that one out.

posted March 30, 2013 12:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
They do look similar, the MCs about 8 deg off that matters in transits/prog, the ASC not off as much. Also the Sun is stronger in the 11th than 12th, your sister also has an opp across 6th/12th with Mercury as 6th ruler conj Sun opp Neptune in 6th. The other person has that opp in his 5th/11th influencing a different area of life and Mercury isn't his 6th ruler. Do you recall the date? Obviously we're not predicting death here, we're talking about influences.

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We don't know her exact day/time of death... they found her on Oct. 3, 2003 but she'd been dead for some time. She lived alone. She had mental problems and had a break down in around 1980, her kids were fostered out... she recovered and lived in govt. housing with 2 iguanas and a cat. The iguanas started to feed on her body. Very sad and very Neptune.

posted March 30, 2013 01:10 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Also sorry for your sisters death, was Neptune strong in her chart?

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Yes.. she was a Pisces Sun. Neptune in Virgo on cusp of her 5th.

posted March 30, 2013 01:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
That is very Neptune, very sad. Wondering if it was by natural cause or other..? I'm going to look at the chart now for a week before that date.

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I often wondered... that's why I'm digging into it. I'm still working on it and I'll report back anything relevant. We can all learn something here.

posted March 30, 2013 01:13 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
I didn't know there was a twin search! Thanks for it!

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At the very bottom of the page where all the chart options are. I'm having fun with it.

posted March 30, 2013 01:22 PM            

It was during the transit Mars/Uranus conjunction, she has the natal conjunction.
Also her natal conjunction progressed to square the natal NN in the 6th. On the 1st of Oct Venus passed the natal NN. Date of discovery Venus was square IC less than a degree.
OK I see now, Venus is NN ruler, Mars is SN ruler, I suppose that's why their rulers are being emphasized since her nodes lie in axis of health.

posted March 30, 2013 08:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
I was leaving out Pluto, it was in her 8th opposed progressed ruler of her 8th. That ruler is natally conjunct the SN in the 12th.
Pluto was inconjunct her natal Mars/Uranus, a yod if you bring in progressed Chiron.

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Thank you for all that work Lonake. I have never done progressions. So would never have seen all that. Peggy used to do them. I think you just count from the ephemeris as many days as you are old... right? What time of day do you use?

What day do you think she actually died? The coroner said a few days so I thought about the 1st. It was a neighbor in the apartment complex who notified authorities because her cat was crying so loud. The coroner might have just said a few days to make the family feel better. Her children all live in Wisconsin and one in California. So I was the closest relative but 1 1/2 hr drive away.

posted March 30, 2013 11:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Yes you're right, I looked at secondary and solar arc, for secondary it's as you said move forward in the calendar, with solar arc everything moves along with the progressed sun, so in both the sun is the same, so is the MC/IC axis those are similar in both, the others vary. Solar arc outers will move fast like the sun but secondary progressed outers will be very slow but occasionally they will make noise.

I would trust a coroner for the date so if it's a few days I would think less than a week, decomposition starts right away, and..I would think the cat had enough food for maybe a day or 2, I had a cat I would feed her every day. With that time frame I will look again later. Yes it's interesting to me her Mars/Uranus is replicated in the transit and it progressed to square her nodes in the houses that they were, and then of course that natal opp that's of the rulers of the houses of health. Were you given a cause of death by chance (?)

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The coroner wasn't sure whether she died of a heart attack and fell during the attack or she fell and then had a heart attack. He put heart attack on the death certificate. She fell so hard they said the head injury would have killed her as well. She had had knee replacements so she walked with a walker but if she was having a heart attack she may have been running to the kitchen for help... she hit the stove with her head.