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Ceridwen
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posted April 01, 2013 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just wanted to check how well Age harmonics really work for timing (the year of) marriage or beginning of relationship.

So I was checkin for three examples: marriage of my parents, marriage of my best friend, and the dy my brother got together with his gf (funnily it has been the 1st april, but 7 years ago, they are always joking about it).


Before looking, I am expecting to see:

in each natal chart and individual Age harmonic PLUS between the both partie`s natal chart`s and Age harmonics (or at least the Aghe harmonics themselves):


at least two conjunctions/ oppositions (exact; with 1 degree orb at MAX.)

to

ASC, MC, nodal axis, Vertex, Sun, Moon or Venus

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posted April 01, 2013 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How does it work exactly?
I'd like to check, too.

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posted April 01, 2013 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I. my parent`s marriage

a) my Dad had

1) AH Venus conjunct AH MC on 8 Pisces exact
2) AH DESC conjuct n IC on 14 Sagittarius exact
3) AH DESC conjunct n POF on 14 Sag exact

b) my Mum had:

1) AH Venus conjunct n ASC on 11 Cancer exact
2) AH Antivertex conjunct n NN on 8 Pisces exact
3) AH Antivertex conjunct n MC on 8 Piscese exact
4) AH Sun conjunct AH PoF on 18 Aries exact


their synastry

1) his AH ASC conjunct her AH Asc on 14 Gemini exact

2) his AH Venus conjunct her AH Antivertex on 8 Pisces exact

3) his AH MC conjunct her AH Antivertex on 8 Pisces exact

4) his AH Antivertex conjunct her AH NN on 8 Sagittarius exact (on my ASC. lol)


5) his AH Venus conjunct her n MC on 8 Pisces exact
6) his AH Venus conjunct her n nN on 8 Pisces exact
7) his AH MC conjunct her n MC on 8 Pisces exact
8) his AH MC conjunct her n NN on 8 Pisces exact
9) his AH Moon on 3 Taurus opp. her n Sun on 3 Scorpio exact
10) his AH Neptune conjunct her n Antivertex on 26 Taurus exact (I mention this cause Neptune rules his DESC)


11) her AH Saturn conjunct his n Neptune on 16 Libra exact (SAturn rules her DESC, Neptune rules his)
12) her AH Sun oposite his n Neptune exact
13) her AH PoF opposite his n Neptune exact
14) her AH DESC conjunct his n POF on 14 Sag exact
15) her AH DESC conjunct his n IC on 14 Sag exact
(16) her AH Jupiter opposite his n Venus-Jupiter)

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posted April 01, 2013 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can make an Age harmonic chart on astro.com, if you pick "harmonic chart" and then put the age of your last birthday into the little box for transiting days.

I am quite stuned about my parent`s charts; I originally thought I had my parameters to tight. I guess not. lol


bTW I am quite adamant about the necessity of exact-angle-conjunctions (ASC-DESC, MC-IC, Vertex, maybe also nodal axis), because if a relationship comes to pass, something "manifests", gets anchored in the here and now, and the angles are really the manifestation plane, so they MUST be triggered for something to manifest.

At least in the case of my parents it did. This line up on 8 Pisces is amazing.
Funnyily at the day of their marriage tr CERES was on 9.37 Pisces.
It then must have went retograde, cause on the da I was born, CERES was on 9°38 Pisces. lol

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posted April 01, 2013 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Checked my parents.. didn't seem to find anything - but then again, I don't have my father's time of birth and mother's TOB is not precise.


Checked me and my ex: mind = blown!

There was:

AH ASC conj. AH Sun (widely conj. natal ASC/SN 2°) with AH Saturn 2° away, conjuncting natal IC

AH Vertex conj. nMoon exact
AH Vertex conj. nDSC/NN 1°

AH Venus opp. nVenus/Jupiter 1°

AH NN/Moon conj. nIC 1° - 2°

AH MC conj. nSaturn 2°

Oh and: AH ASC conj. natal IC 2°

^ this is all synastry.

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posted April 01, 2013 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Doux,

if your parent`s birthtime is not precise, the angles could be far off in Age harmonics; even a minute can make a huge difference. Which is why I am inclined to allow a bit more orb with angle conjunctions for Age harmonics.

"AH ASC conj. AH Sun (widely conj. natal ASC/SN 2°) with AH Saturn 2° away, conjuncting natal IC"
Yeah something like that!

"AH Vertex conj. nMoon exact
AH Vertex conj. nDSC/NN 1°"
That looks amazin. Another hint at just how important vertex really is. He really brings encounters in our life, doesn`t he?

"AH Venus opp. nVenus/Jupiter 1°"
Same as my parents had.

Did you also check the AH and natal charts for each person? Maybe there was already relationship potential indicated in the individual charts, and along comes someone who triggers the sensitive spots, and KABOOM!

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posted April 01, 2013 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, it is quite amazing..

How on Earth did you find out about it? lol

Never thought about doing such a thing.


I did check natal to AH, not much going on, really. Maybe that's why it didn't last..? like we weren't "ready" for it, sort of.

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posted April 01, 2013 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I stumbled across it on Alice Portmans site, or even here
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~dymock/instal4.html

I checked it out for several years when somehing outstanding happened, internally or externally, and it was just gobsmacking.
The year when I was most happiest disappearing in my enthusiastic dreamworld (consequences happened later), and felt like I was bursting with life, and of course had a major crush on a totally unavailable, untouchable and inappropriate man, but nevertheless this whole thing opened up gateways to my spirituality as well as creativity.

Well in that year:

See that?
That is how happiness looks! (without any regard for realities of course But never mind. It was carefree, it was joy, it was deep, it was free, it was great; never mind the abyss of tears, darkness and numbness that followed two years after that; the landing was not very smooth unfortuantely).

That triangle of Pluto and Mercury and of course MOon, Mars, Jupiter.
And it activated my natal chart.
AH Pluto exactly conjunct my Moon on 17 Aquarius (OH YES, it was like that - later).
The AH Gemini faction falling onto natal asteroid KARMA On 16 Gemini in my 7th house.

AH Uranus was sitting on my "spear of destiny".
I call it that way cause I have Sun/Moonmp-axis from 21 Cap-21 Cancer. Vertex-Antivertex from 21 Cancer-21 Cap;( EROS and PAN on 21 Cancer; ARTHUR and GAWAIN on 21 Capricorn).

Destiny unfolds along this axis for me; oh and of course it is crossed by another axis, I still haven`t found a name for.
Chiron on 20 Aries with asteroid PHOENIX on 20 Aries as well (I ALWAYS rise again), opposing a bunch of asteroids on 20-21 Libra (among them DNA, KASSANDRA, SAPPHO etc).

And that spiritual trine from Sun to Neptune?
Oh yes, and of course it was not "of this world" either, a lot of illusions and delusions mixed with spiritual reality.

the AH ASC fell onto my natal Saturn on 16.57 Cancer.

NO of course it was not ONLY happiness. Reflecting back on it, it had a bit of a manic-depressive vibe, but when it was good it was out of this world paradise like good.


The two years after that, the year of the great depression.

AH Saturn conjunct AH ASC, opposite AH Moon. OUCH.

AH Sun EXACTLY conjunct natal Saturn, and thus triggering that nice little quinkunx between natal Moon and Saturn.
Double ouch


AH Chiron on 00 Aries - a new quality of pain?
it was also conjunct AH SN.
and opposite AH Neptune on 29 Virgo.
and squaring AH MErcury, my natal DESC-ruler.
Yes relationships were denied. Hopes were crashed, dreams burned to ashes, nothing left, just a shattered mirror of delusions.

AH Venus, this traitor, had landed on my "spear of destiny" on 20 Cap; romantic feelings did not dissolve as easily as the delusions did. That is what made it so painful I guess.

She was squaring AH Jupiter, sitting on my natal Chiron - yes it was the chance for healing, if I had chosen to take it. Unfortunately I didn`t.

AH Pluto was conjunct my natal Persephone PRECISELY.

To be honest these Age harmonics make more sense to me than the Solar return that year.

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posted April 01, 2013 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
continuing with my best friend`s marriage Age harmonics.

a) her husband:

AH Venus conjunct AH IC (2)
AH Moon conjunct AH Vertex (3)
AH Jupiter conjunct AH DESC (1)

(it is possible that his birthtime is maybe one or two minutes incorrect)


b) my friend:
AH Venus conjunct AH Vertex (2)
AH Vertex conjunct n ASC exact
AH Sun conjunct n SN exact


c) their synastry:
her AH ASC conjunct his n Moon exact
her aH MC conjunct hisn IC exact
her AH Vertex conjunct his n Sun (1)


my brother and his girlfriend:
they have natally Pisces and Aries ASC, the ASC signs that rise the fastest, so even a minute could equal a difference of several degrees.

a) my brother
AH ASC conjunct n Moon (1)
AH ASC conjunct n Jupiter exact
AH Antivertex conjunct AH Moon exact
AH Sun opposite n Saturn (2)


b) girlfriend
AH DESC conjunct n Sun exact
AH Moon conjunct AH Saturn (1)
(AH Mars conjunct n MC (1))


c) their synastry

his AH Venus conjunct her AH IC (3)
(his AH Pluto conjunct her AH Mars (1)
and
his AH Venus oposite her AH Pluto (3))
his AH DESC conjunct her n NN (1)
his AH SN conjunct her n Sun exact
his AH Sun opp. her n Pluto (1)
his AH Saturn conjunct her n ASC (3)

her AH DESC conjunct his n ASC (2)
her AH ASC conjunct his n Vertex (1)
her AH Vertex conjunct his n Venus (2)


I find it interesting how often Vertex pops up.


Also, I did not list these but I noticed a lot of Saturn-Pluto involvement in all three comparisions, plus Jupiter-Pluto.

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posted April 01, 2013 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow Ceri, that's crazy..!

Great discovery, thank you for sharing your story!

That chart definitely looks amazing.

Sorry you had to go through hard times later on though

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posted April 01, 2013 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you for your compassion.

But quite frankly I think it was necessary to go through the hard stuff as well.

Je ne regrette rien!

(except for the things I didn`t do of course ).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKs7rLkqQcQ

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posted April 01, 2013 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A question:

do you think transits have any effect on these charts at all? Or can they be tied to progressions?

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posted April 01, 2013 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Transits can definitely be tied to progressions. They are even necessary to give the progressions the "kiss of life".

Probably they can also trigger Age harmonics as these are valid for the whole year (there are daily age harmonics, too, and thy are even more gobsmacking, but you cannot create them with astro.com).


As a ruler of thumb I believe that transits are necessary to trigger the potential, no matter if of a birthchart or a present year chart.
But to be honest I have never seen a sextile or trine trigger anything. They have their meaning, but on their own I haven`t seen anything happen, unless there was a conjunction, opposition or square at the same time.

In my parents marriage, we had 8 pisces as sensitive degree, and Tr Neptune on 8 Sag was triggering that.
Well not the trigger I expected to see. LOL

In terms of my friend`s marriage, one sensitive spot was 15-16 Aquarius (relating to the Moon-ASC-conjunction through AH andnatal).
Tr Neptun was on 14 Aquarius conjunct.
God DAmn it, I did not expect THAT
How come Neptune comes up again???


Tr NN was on 7 Taurus conjunct my friend`s Sun by 3 dgrees and exactly opposite her husban`ds AH Venus.

for my brother`s relationship, there were several sensitive degrees.
One of them being at around 25-27 Virgo-Pisces.
#Tr Pluto on 26 Sag triggered thatz

another one on about 10 -12 Sag. Tr Uranus was on 12 Pisces.

And so on

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posted April 01, 2013 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're welcome, dear!

I agree with you.. fortunately you're here with us today, sharing cool theories and astrological discoveries <3 And I'm sure it's made you stronger.

Oooh, great French skills

ETA: okay, thank you!

Yes transits are definitely very important.

Will be sure to check AH charts too, then

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posted April 01, 2013 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nah, no real French skills, unfortunately.

Yes, I am just delving into my own age harmonics this and next year. Let`s see if there is potential there

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posted April 01, 2013 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting about Neptune..
Funny thing is tNeptune was also prominent when my ex and I got together, it was square his AH SN/NN axis and square my AH Sun (and natal ASC/SN).


I've checked my AH for this year and next year and it's just boring! haha. Almost no exact aspects and no important AH to natal aspects either. But well, we'll see what happens (progressions and transits may have their say in this).

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posted April 01, 2013 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, definitely do not forget about progressions!
BTW have you ever looked into your tertiaries? AWESOME!


According to Blashke the secondary progressions highlight the physical plane, that which manifests.
Tertiaries the desire- and emotional nature.
Minor progressions the mental sphere, where your intentions change.


I know it is getting a tad much. LOL


That thing about Neptune is really odd. I wouldn´t have connected him of all planets to triggering real relationships. I am stumped seriously.

Maybe it is positive though in the sense of dissolving boundaries between two people, which is necessary for them to really connect and "merge"

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posted April 01, 2013 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Age harmonic chart for this year :

°AH ASC conjunct AH Sun exact on 26-27 Aries

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° AH Mars opposite AH Neptune (1)
° AH Mars conjunct n Moon on 17 Aquarius exact
° AH Neptune oppospite n Moon (2)

° AH Jupiter conjunct AH Venus/Mars-mp (1)
° AH Jupiter conjunct n IC exact
° AH Ve/Ma= n IC exact

° AH MC conjunct n Pluto on 9 Libra exact

now my favourite one

° AH Vertex conjunct n Venus on 6 Cap exact°

° AH Uranus conjunct n Vertex (1)
° AH Uranus= n Sun/Moon-mp (1)

- how funny that I just told you about the happy year in my youth, full of carefreeness, romance and whatever, and now it turns out that AH Uranus is AGAIN on my destiny axis, just on the other side in Cancer in my 8th house, instead of being in Cappy and in my 2nd house. Seems like while back the it was all very internal (2nd house is a house of Self), now it is time to bring this out in connection to other people (8th house is on the you-side of the chart).


oh and yes AH Pluto conjunct n Juno by 1 degree

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posted April 01, 2013 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and yes, of course there is a gentleman on my mind.

Let`s see about HIS Age harmonics.

BTW Neptune is his ASC-ruler

AH DESC conjunct AH NN (2)
AH DESC conjunct AH Neptune (2)
AH NN conjunct AH Neptune on 16 Aquarius

AH Moon opposite AH Venus exact
AH Venus opposite n Venus/Mars mp 82)

AH Ve/Mars opposite n Mars exact
AH VE/Mars opposite n Jupiter (1)

AH POM opposite n POM (1)


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posted April 01, 2013 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Age harmonics are really cool! There are a lot of similarities between this year's harmonic and my solar return (my AH Venus and SR Venus are conjunct my natal Venus, for example).

Last year, I went through a terrible break up. My AH Sun for that year was conjunct my bf's Sun exactly, and received an opposition from my AH Saturn! My AH Saturn was also square his natal Moon. My AH Venus was conjunct my AH Uranus and Pluto, opposite AH Mars. Very appropriate!

The year I met him, AH Jupiter was on my natal DC EXACT, and AH Saturn was on my natal Venus. My AH that year also had a Sun/Moon conjunction, that fell in my natal 5th house, and my AH VEnus was trine these planets.

This year, I have AH NN exactly on my AH Descendant, AH Venus conj natal Venus, AH Vertex opposite AH and natal Venus, AH Mars opposite my natal Mars, and AH Saturn/Neptune/Mercury square my AH moon :/ My AH Ascendant is also exactly square my natal Ascendant. Sounds interesting! Lots of parallels to my Solar Return, for sure!

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posted April 01, 2013 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
synastry
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his planets first

AH DESC conjunct AH Mars (1)
AH ASC conjunct AH Neptune on 18 Leo
AH DESC conjunct n Moon (1)
AH NN conjunct AH Mars exact
AH Neptune conjunct AH Mars (1)
AH NN conjunct n Moon exact
AH Neptune conjunct n Moon (1)


AH Sun conjunct AH Moon on 20 Virgo exact
n DESC conjunct AH Moon (3)
(of course that means that his AH Sun is on his n DESC)


and this one

AH Mars conjunt AH Vertex on 6 Cap exact
AH Mars conjunct n Venus on 6 Cap exact


AH Jupiter conjunct n Mars on 5 Sag exact
AH Jupiter conjunct n ASC (1)


AH Ve/Ma conjunct n Jupiter on 11 PIsces exact

n Uranus opposite AH Venus exact
n PoM opposite AH Venus (3)


AH MC conjunct n MC on 4 Libra
AH IC conjun aH Jupiter (2)
AH IC conjunct AH Ve/Ma (1)

AH Vertex conjunct AH Saturn on 14 Cancer

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posted April 01, 2013 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh drat, I was having his wrong birthtime, what a difference 3 minutes can make!

I corrected the mistakes

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posted April 01, 2013 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for violet7887     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 01, 2013 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:

BTW have you ever looked into your tertiaries? AWESOME!

Just a little.
I remember they were quite accurate for some events.. I should definitely take a closer look


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According to Blashke the secondary progressions highlight the physical plane, that which manifests.
Tertiaries the desire- and emotional nature.
Minor progressions the mental sphere, where your intentions change.

That's very interesting, thanks so much for the info!

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Maybe it is positive though in the sense of dissolving boundaries between two people, which is necessary for them to really connect and "merge"

Oh yes, makes sense.


Girrrrl, the charts are showing huge potential here for ya! I hope something good will happen good luck!

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posted April 01, 2013 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Violet,

I dunno, but I met someone very very special on my trip back home this last month."
I am happy for you.


"but my vertex conjuncts his venus"
Wow, that is really amazing. How tight is the orb?
Mr Sag has his Venus in a 4 degree conjunction to my Antivertex, and though I actually think that is pretty wide, maybe I DO feel it.
Well, his Pluto squares my Vertex exactly, maybe that natal Venus-Pluto-square of him connecting to my Vertex-axis draws the orbs closer to each other.

Interestingly just today I noticed that the Venus-Vertex-aspect popped up frequently in the Age harmonics as well.


"Can a vertex connection be that significant?"
Yes, of course it can.
Though it is more indicative of the "lifeturningm oment".
However i am sure there are other connections as well.

" The funny thing is just a few months back we did age harmonics and you wrote I would meet someone related to family. I met him cause i went for a family wedding."
Wow! Thank you for this confirmation. That is really good to know.

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