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MorteImperator
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posted April 01, 2013 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MorteImperator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Before I joined this site I noticed Osama Bin Ladin was the epitom. of the Downstream Pisces-what an Unevolved Pisces would be like at the Worst.

A quick search on the internet of "Osama Bin Ladin Pisces" would bring up so many speculation.

I found two articles of interest.

One that was made just a few months after September 11 Attacks over 10 years ago. It attempts to discredit Astrologers as they try to argue amongst each other what Osama Bin Ladin's sign was.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/dec/13/afghanistan.catherinebennett


Another commenting on why Pisces it the MOST EVIL Sign. I found this specific article before I joined Linda Land last year.
http://www.archiedunlop.com/2011/05/03/osama-bin-laden-%E2%80%93-death-of-a-pisces/

Intrigued at all the various speculations, I went to Astrodatabank and it turns out we don't know if the "official birth date" is real or not and its all speculation made by various non-Astrological experts.
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bin_Laden,_Osama

XX Rating meaning birth date is unknown and based on rumors and speculation.

So I am curious of your opinions. Do you think Osama Bin Ladin was a Pisces? If so, do you think he represents the worst of the sign?

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posted April 01, 2013 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A shark.

offtopic:You put too much emphasis on sun signs.

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posted April 01, 2013 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ yeah, I was just about to say that.. Have you seen the rest of Bin Laden's chart? It's pretty intense...

Mars conjunct the South Node in the 12th house, square Pluto conjunct IC
Saturn conjunct descendant square Sun, Mercury, Venus in Pisces in the 10th house
Chiron in the 9th house
Jupiter opposite 10th house sun and square 1st house Moon in Cancer

I think any sign is capable of 'evil', as long as the rest of the chart agrees.

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posted April 01, 2013 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MorteImperator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
A shark.

offtopic:You put too much emphasis on sun signs.


I know Sun Signs is just a small portion of the picture but there is so many stuff on the Web about Osama Bin Ladin being the embodiment of a negative Pisces I thought this would make an interesting discussion.

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Originally posted by starfairy:
^^ yeah, I was just about to say that.. Have you seen the rest of Bin Laden's chart? It's pretty intense...

Mars conjunct the South Node in the 12th house, square Pluto conjunct IC
Saturn conjunct descendant square Sun, Mercury, Venus in Pisces in the 10th house
Chiron in the 9th house
Jupiter opposite 10th house sun and square 1st house Moon in Cancer

I think any sign is capable of 'evil', as long as the rest of the chart agrees.


Thing is we don't even know if Bin Ladin was a Pisces as his birthdate is speculation. How are we going to even know the rest of his chart?

So lets just speculate on his possible Sun Sign.

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posted April 01, 2013 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Few things about Osama is he was a very elusive and mysterious man.
It was impossible to find him.
Typical passive aggressive traits, not by an means a warrior.
Very piscean.

I don't see the need to prove what we already know, sure osama was a terrible human being but he happened to be a pisces. That does not mean all pisces are evil.

Jesus was a pisces..

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posted April 01, 2013 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^That won’t be productive.How can we be so sure that his “negative” pisces sun can be blamed for what he did?

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posted April 01, 2013 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun is just one part of the chart and it represents your life's purpose. Some suns are much stronger and greater influence than others. Pisces is a dual sign. It just means there is more to someone with sun in Pisces than meets the eye. Bin Laden with a Pisces sun just means he is a complex being, more so than Aries or Taurus.

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posted April 01, 2013 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For what it's worth, we've been in the age of Pisces...and look how much evil has been done in the name of religion...torture, genocide, terror, mass executions, all over some religion. (Heck, Jesus was even symbolized by the fish.) The Piscean morality seemed to promote transcending the physical self which in the negative sense could lead to the hatred of nature, the body, eros, etc (and even led to some monks and the like in competition to show how much they could abuse even their own body to prove spirituality). Pisces is also a lot more attracted to religion (especially a unifying monotheism) which rose significantly after the Age of Aries ended, and now that the Age of Pisces is ending the power of religion (including state worship), especially the more evil aspects that demand sacrifice (to include hating one's own body, martyrdom, punishing heretics and others "God despises") is rapidly eroding all around the world despite how many desperate people, Osama being an extreme case, try to fight the decline.

So with that in mind, I could see Osama as an extreme negative manifestation of Piscean energy...which should not be construed as "Pisces is evil."

And btw, I don't think the Age of Aquarius is going to be all utopian anymore than the Age of Pisces and Aries were...I see it as a cyberpunk future which will usher in miracles that revolutionize how our species live for the better (such as free energy, vastly increased lifespans, cybernetic implants that eliminate blindness, deafness and many other things, assuming they have the money or patron of course), but also with some heavy handed dystopian elements that continue to destroy lives and manifest evil, vice, frightening use of weapons, loss of privacy (save for those with the right skills), and dehumanizing oppression (just in a different way than Pisces).

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posted April 01, 2013 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But, as far as being most evil sign? That is definitely up for debate since there are many evil people since the history of time and their suns have lingered in different parts of the zodiac while they were alive. So it would be difficult to make the universal declaration "Pisces is the most evil sign."

This would be an exaggeration and possibly entirely inaccurate.

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posted April 01, 2013 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't attempt to say which sign is the most evil. They all, without exception, have negative and downright evil aspects, right along with the good. To me asking if say Pisces or Scorpio or Leo is the most evil is like asking if chocolate or vanilla or raspberry is the worst ice cream. The flavor is different (and individuals will have their subjective preferences), but it's all still ice cream (and all ice cream can melt or even go bad and make one sick).

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posted April 01, 2013 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hitler had the Libra ascendant. Does that mean all Libra risers are as evil as Hitler? Hope not!

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posted April 01, 2013 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course not. Anyone who said so would be recognized as absurd by the vast majority of people who understand astrology...or even just consider how many people were born at the same time.

Timothy McVeigh was no doubt once in a maternity ward, but I bet none of the other babies with identical (or close enough) charts grew up to blow up buildings. Likewise, the special saints and brilliant inventors are also extremely unusual. Astrology isn't destiny written in stone, it's potential that is shaped by other factors and experiences (and just plain chance).

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posted April 01, 2013 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who is to say the one thing that creates the Tim McVeighs, Hitlers or Osama Bin Ladens in a room full of babies born on the same day? It remains a mystery because all the babies will not grow to do the same thing.

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posted April 01, 2013 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MorteImperator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^^That won’t be productive.How can we be so sure that his “negative” pisces sun can be blamed for what he did?

Thing is WE DON'T KNOW if Bin Ladin was a Pisces.

All statement of his birthdate are speculation and so far there is no birth certificate known. Furthermore I'm not sure if Saudi certificates even list birth time which is a whole other problem altogether.

Thats why I decided to post this. So many blogs and threads online point to Bin Ladin as being the worst of Pisces but we don't even know if he was one.

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posted April 01, 2013 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am sure there are some people who manifest energy negatively just like with any of the others. No sign is pristine. So, Bin Laden could be Pisces or he could be Sagittarius or Aquarius for all anyone knows. Are there any witnesses who can account for what month he was born?

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posted April 01, 2013 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uhm... No. He was born on March 10, 1957
Osama was not born in the jungle and adopted by monkeys.
He's the son of a billionaire... Not street urchins.
He was born the same year as my father too..

he has a legit birth certificate.. The saudi's would have it in their records.

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posted April 01, 2013 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Uhm... No. He was born on March 10, 1957
Osama was not born in the jungle and adopted by monkeys.
He's the son of a billionaire... Not street urchins.
He was born the same year as my father too..

he has a legit birth certificate.. The saudi's would have it in their records.



That explains everything. Pisces sun it is.

Still, it's no worse than the bad examples of other suns.

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posted April 01, 2013 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"In a 1998 interview, bin Laden gave his birth date as March 10, 1957"

What do you think his zodiac sign is op?...

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posted April 01, 2013 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MorteImperator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Posted a comment on one of the articles in first post.
http://www.archiedunlop.com/2011/05/03/osama-bin-laden-%E2%80%93-death-of-a-pisces/

It states its awaiting moderation so it may no appear in the comment sections when you look at it under your computer/ip address. So here's the post.

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Originally posted by MorteImperator:
A couple of problems with this article. First of all we don’t even know if the birth date frequently assigned to Osama Bin Ladin is confirmed. Without a Birth Certificate or official government record in hand, he can be of any Sign.

Secondly, you’re just basing it on Sun Signs. There is far more than this to Astrology. Even assuming the birth time is correct, that is just part of a picture. We will need to know the Ascendant and as precise as a birth time as we can know to know the whole chart. And I’m not sure if Saudi Arabian hospitals at the time he was born so we may never know his birth chart even assuming his birth records confirm him as a Pisces.

Thirdly all the Negative Pisces examples you listed- Heydrich, Eichmann, and esp. Mengele-I saw their birth charts at Astrodatabank and it confirmed my suspicions. They all had very negatively aspected charts. The Aspects play the biggest roles in determining how troubled a personality would be Astrological wise. And all their charts are PRETTY ABNORMAL in the amount of negative aspects they have. More negative Aspects=more Troubled personality if not guided in childhood or resolved by the person with such a birth chart. It doesn’t help they all came from upper classes/educated background. At the time the higher classes-esp. the Aristocracy (who Mengele came from)-were pretty nationalistic to the point of xenophobia and racism (even in this time standards and their concept of racism included seeing other White Races as inferiors).

This background combined with being raised in an abnormally racist time period in an already racist society, it shouldn’t surprise that combined with all the negative aspects, these listed Pisces men turned out this way.

I’m a Pisces with LOTS of NEGATIVE ASPECTS in my chart and I admit I was a BAD BAD GUY who was violent and self-centered so I already knew the listed examples of Holocaust participants all have powerful negative aspects before I saw their charts at Astrodatabank (and even to my expectations their chart was abnormally full of lots of negative aspects).

A lot depends on a combination of the individual’s chart,social upbringing and past experiences.Surprisingly Hitler has much less negative aspects than the guys listed above (though his negative aspects were powerful ones) but he grew under a racist society strife with anti-antisemitism and combined with very bad memories, he grew up into the maniac he was. And he’s a Taurus so even the whole birth chart taken into account, one must also keep in mind of the cultural background one was raised in as well as life experiences.


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posted April 01, 2013 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MorteImperator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
"In a 1998 interview, bin Laden gave his birth date as March 10, 1957"

What do you think his zodiac sign is op?...


I honestly doubt Pisces.

I'm not sure at the moment, I'll have to read Bios specifically on Bin Ladin rather than internet hearsay and analyze it myself.


EDIT READ Astrodatabank's Article on the sources. http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bin_Laden,_Osama

Its rated XX.

Also keep in mind Saudi records put him under the Islamic Calendar which is very different from the Western Julian calendar.

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posted April 01, 2013 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay well you have fun with your conspiracy theories...

Also my aunt was born in the middle east, they use the standard calendar for birth documents....
She's around the same age as Osama...

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posted April 01, 2013 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seems like people with Venus/Mars conjunctions have charisma...Hitler had one in Taurus. His chart looks like it lacks aspects to me.

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posted April 01, 2013 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MorteImperator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Okay well you have fun with your conspiracy theories...

I'd vote Cancer or Leo based on supposed conversion of the Islamic Calendar which puts his birth date around July.

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posted April 01, 2013 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MorteImperator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Seems like people with Venus/Mars conjunctions have charisma...Hitler had one in Taurus. His chart looks like it lacks aspects to me.

It had a few negative aspects but surprisingly much less than an Astrologer would expect.

I think in Hitler's case it was a combination of cultural upbringing and life experiences. This is worthy of another thread so I'll save it.


quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
Okay well you have fun with your conspiracy theories...

Also my aunt was born in the middle east, they use the standard calendar for birth documents....
She's around the same age as Osama...


Hhhhmm what country? Not all Middle Eastern nations are the same. For example Lebanon (at least before Muslims took over) was VERY FRENCH and ADVANCED. While Iraq around the same time period pretty backwards.

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posted April 01, 2013 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wasn't Bin Laden born in Saudi Arabia? Did his parents already have money? Not sure how advanced they were in 1957. Standard oil was already there by then, right? There would have been some money.

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