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Orange
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posted April 02, 2013 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Supposedly it makes one a lazy cow.

Too lazy to go at it. Life's a peach the way it is.

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Orange
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posted April 02, 2013 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
per Noel Tyl:

Grand Trines - a closed circuit. They work with each other, not with anything else! They are self-contained. Then we continue: behavioral circuits that are self-contained are very strong, but they are isolating. Isolating with strength is defensive. If there is a tremendous statement of defense there must be something to defend against. What is THAT?? --This is how my learning about Trines became understanding and was personalized in a freshly formed application of the measurement construct. After much research along these lines, I submitted to our field that Grand Trines were massive defense mechanisms of self-sufficiency (in particular Elemental groups), working against relationships.

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GemNymph
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posted April 02, 2013 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemNymph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have an air Grand Trine.

What Noel Tyl says is a good start. An emphasis on self-sufficiency. It makes the native acquire a certain attitude toward their relationships with themselves, others and the world, depending on where the planets in the Grnd Trine fall.

Note: aspect configurations are about shared energy. So they need to involve bodies. Points like the ASC, North Node, etc. that are senstive points in your chart but not actual bodies don't count.

I like to describe us Grand Triners as tough nuts to crack. It's hard to get into our world. It's like walking around the exterior of a building and never finding a door in. It's easier in synastry to let someone in if they have a planet that conjuncts one of the planets in our natal Grand Trine, or forms another Grand Trine with our other natal planets.

Trines have gotten a bad and false rap for being too easy and thus lazy, and so a Grand Trine must be super lazy, right? Nah. But some people with Grand Trines can be unwilling to cooperate, to contribute or to participate, not out of laziness, but because they feel what they have going on for themelves is better than what others have to offer. The grass is not always greener on the other side of fence with a Grand Trine!

Some negative Grand Trine traits

-selfishness, usually unconsciously
-lack of empathy if other aspects in chart don't provide it
-overly self-involved
-aloof and inaccessible
-excessively independent
-problems asking for help or delegating, a "only I can get the job done" attitude that shut out others' contributions

On more positive sides, Grand Triners can be

-resourceful and able to accomplish a lot without asking much of others
-uniquely good at problem-solving and able to adopt a variety of approaches to the same problem (think shifting prespectives from one point in the Grand Trine to another)
-"low-maintenance" in relationships and able to give others their space
-resilient
-adaptable
-find greater ease with personal growth and development as change is less destablizing to their core sense of self

The challenge of a Grand Trine is to accept you probably don't need relationships for the same reasons that other people do, but you still can find relationships beneficial and rewarding. Also it's important for Grand Triners to respect the needs of others. We can look at other people as being too needy, dependent or involved in their relationships--we have to understand that not everyone is as self-sufficient as we are.

I personally struggle with my Uranus-Mars-Mercury Grand Trine becausse I have a competing Pluto-Moon-Sun T-Square that affects two of the same houses (1st and 10th) but also my 7th house, with my Pisces moon. The two configurations are also linked by my strong 10th house Sun and Mercury conjunction (6 degrees). I want relationships, deeply, thansk to my 7th house Pisces moon, and all that focus on the 10th hoouse with Gemini MC makes me want to involve others and find partners in my drive to accomplish things in this world, but I have a strong independent streak and it's hard for people to get to know me and hard for me to let them into my very self-contained world.

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ELoveCherishEndure
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posted April 02, 2013 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ELoveCherishEndure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Grand Water Trine also...
Moon/Mars/Pluto are what makes my Grand Trine. I think because they are in 1,5, and 8 that I can actually be a little TOO emotional as it does to romance, sex, and myself. Plus, with all of the funky aspects made to the first house since both Sun and Pluto are conjunct in Scorpio, it can be very problematic.

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ELoveCherishEndure
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posted April 02, 2013 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ELoveCherishEndure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The funny thing is that I see where I can be all of the negative traits more than those that are positive.

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