posted April 03, 2013 10:03 PM            

Now I wonder, what would cause stuttering in the astrological chart? Something with Mercury?

posted April 03, 2013 10:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I use to stutter often as a child.
Mercury trine saturn.
sextile chiron

But Lazaro probably has a severely afflicted third house ruler and mercury.
You should post his chart.. I'm on my phone

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He was born in Cuba but I can't find out where so I used Havana... Can't do house placements because I don't know his birthtime. I used 12 noon. Here it is:

posted April 04, 2013 06:22 AM              

My uncle stutters heavily when speaking, but it is all gone when he is singing.
And even without training he has an astonishing voice; it almost sounds as if he had classical training,b ut he never had.
Though he will only sing when he is slightly drunk.

I have had a heavy lisp as a kid, and became a teacher. Well, I still have itn ow and then, when I am very selfconscious about something or in a given situation, but I don`t really mind anymore. It`s just part of the package of me. And I noticed it encourages kids in my class to speak up who didn´t do so before, because they were embarassed by their stuttering, lisps, slow speaking etc.

In the case of the actor:
Mercury rules 3rd house and sits right on his 9th house cusp in Sagittarius, being square to Mars-Jupiter.
(He just is thinking more quickly than he can express himself; though he is VERY quick with selfexpression, very spontaneous).

my Third house is ruled by Uranus, which sits in Scorpio conjunct 11th house cusp.
Pisces is intercepted, with Neptune conjunct ASC and NN and Mars in 12th/ 1st house.
Jupiter sitting in the 3rd house in pisces is in mutual reception and square 3rd house ruler Neptune.

Mercury is in Sagittarius conjunct Sun, rulers of 7th and 9th house, in 1st house.

posted April 04, 2013 07:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Mango:
You all have mercury in Sagittarius? That's weird. I wonder what about mercury in sag would cause that?

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And none of them are terribly aspected. Hmmmm

posted April 04, 2013 07:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Mango:
Is it fixable? What causes someone to stutter?

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Rather than Mercury maybe we need to see the 3rd house and we cannot without the birth time. Drat. If anyone has a chart of a stuttering person with the birth time it would be very interesting.

posted April 04, 2013 07:58 PM            

But Saturn afflictions to Mercury and an afflicted 3rd house ruler, could point to that, too.. I guess.

Actually it's interesting how their Mercuries aren't that aspected and only have like minor aspects. Maybe it makes the expression of Mercury less 'grounded' = its expression is more chaotic, less structured.

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posted September 26, 2019 11:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I use to stutter often as a child.
Mercury trine saturn.
sextile chiron

But Lazaro probably has a severely afflicted third house ruler and mercury.
You should post his chart.. I'm on my phone

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Interesting about Mercury trine Saturn !
I am admiring Kelly Ellworth's Art and reading about him and what he said too. I noticed in wikipedia " He had a slight stutter that persisted into his teenage years. " After I looked at his Natal Chart and noticed he has Mercury trine Saturn too. His Mercury ( 5° 3'29" r Dom ) conjunct Sun ( 9°37' 9") . Mercury in Gemini 4th House , Sun on the cusp 4th/5th

posted September 27, 2019 01:27 AM            

3rd house/Ic cusp is in Cap
Mercury-Saturn aspects.
Mercury-Chiron aspects.
Mercury in Cap.
Chiron in 3rd
Sat in Gemini.
Saturn in 3rd.
Chiron in Gemini.

These ones speak too fast or the mouth doesn't catch up.This can result in a stammer or tripping over words.The brain is very busy and expression tends to be all over the place.

3rd house/Ic cusp in Aries or Aqua.
Mercury-Mars aspects
Mercur-Uranus aspects
Mercury in 1st
Mercury in Aries
Mercury in 11th
Mercury in Aquarius

These guys tend to not know how to have "small talk".They either say too little or too much.So they can develop a stammer because of uncertainty or being very self conscious that they may not engage the audience enough or someone else is more "interesting" to listen to etc.

Mercury in 12th
Mercury aspect Neptune
Mercury in 2nd
Mercury in Taurus
Mercury-Jupiter aspect
Mercury in 9th

@Barbee: I can't see the chart at all on my end.

@florence. I notice on the chart used, a large chunk of Cap is in the 3rd house/Ic cusp. The ruler of the 10th(Moon) is in the 1st ,the ruler of the 3rd house is 11 houses away from itself(1st house) and Mercury(solar ruler of the 3rd) is in the 11th.

From perosnal experience,I notice that Saturn in 1st house/ ruler of the 10th in 1st or Saturn in 5th or ruler of the 10th in 5th can(at worst) cause an increase in anxiety in as far as how the native expresses themselves.

This is because Saturn increases pressure in self expression and tge native ends up thinking they have to be "perfect" i.e they always feel that others are waiting to "critique" them so they are so hard on themselves.

This can create nervousness which can result in one to stutter or not express themselves well on one hand. Or be the absolute orator and authority figure in verbal expression on the other(because they obsessively practice-a lot).

"Bertie"-King Edward VII on whom "The King's speech" is based, has a number of "pressure" points that I suspect definitely increased his anxiety around speaking.

He has Saturn in 1st-He wants to make a great impression. Added herein is Sun in the 10th house of the public. He wants to express himself in a dignified waym

Ruler of the 1st house in 12th-not knowing what to say or how to speak in a way reflective of his authority. Very aware of audience "feedback" from an unconscious level.

Mercury in Sag-A very expansive and broad mind that is challenged in articulate expression which is also in the 11th house.The mind thinks of far-out concepts that are hard to articulate.

The 3rd house cusp is dominated by Aries with Pluto there and the ruler of the 3rd is in the first- His thoughts couldn't keep up with his expression. So a stammer can develop here out from thought-word incoherency or chain-link breakdown.

posted September 29, 2019 11:32 AM            

Stuttering is not a condition that is caused by being nervous or anxious. It is a genetic condition. Although scientists have been studying it for decades, it is so complicated, partly because no one stutters in the same way, that there has been no determining factor about the exact cause or even a cure. Some data shows there may be an excess level of dopamine in our brains causing it, but there is also a large percentage of people who stutter who have a family pattern of it.

I participated in a study at the National Institutes of Health and they were able to trace the chromosome that my stuttering comes from to a tribe in Cameroon where 99% of the tribe stutters who share that same chromosome as me. My father stuttered as well, and I inherited it from him. We aren’t sure where he developed it from though.

Stuttering can be exacerbated by being nervous, sick, tired, excited, etc., but it is not caused by these emotions. It is also not caused by speaking too fast, thinking too fast, etc. And just in case anyone’s wondering, we know what we want to say it just has a bit of a bumpy ride coming out. I do not stutter when I think, dream, talk to myself, or to my dog.

There’s a lot of shame, embarrassment, and feelings of depression, isolation, social anxiety, low self-worth, that frequently inhibit a person who stutters outlook on life. Therefore, it’s common for them to try or do anything to hide stuttering, by changing words, avoiding situations, settling for unchallenging careers where communication is not frequent, settling on partners, isolating themselves socially, saying only what they think they can say. I used to change my name often when I’d first meet someone just to prevent from stuttering on my own name! And then I’d make sure to avoid that person forever after that so they wouldn’t find out my actual name, lol!

The biggest form of a “cure” is therapy. However, unfortunately, most therapies focus only on the patient being fluent. Which leaves the client feeling like a failure when they practice so hard and still stutter in a stressful situation.

As you can see above, you can assume that there is a lot of emotional baggage that comes along with stuttering. You cannot “fix” stuttering by simply teaching fluency tricks because stuttering is genetically tied to you. Just like poor vision, red hair, or whatever. Therefore, by going to a therapy who treats the emotional side of stuttering, teaching empowerment as a successful communicator while being a person who stutters, teaching them to stutter with confidence, is in my opinion, and a new wave of therapeutic opinions, that this is the best “cure”. Finding peace with stuttering, and not allowing it to hold you back from personal and professional goals diminishes the oppressive control that stuttering can have on someone. Therefore, with a positive outlook towards it, it naturally becomes easier to speak because more and more speaking situations become less stressful or fearful. Without the anxiety there, you are left with stuttering that is less tense and a more forward moving/efficient form of communication.

Side note, for 3 years I challenged myself every day to speak in 3 fearful situations to overcome the anxiety that stuttering caused me. I made phone calls to various businesses, applied to hundreds of jobs for the mere practice of interviewing, delivered business presentations, and started conversations with strangers, just to desensitize. This helped me tremendously, as now I really am not scared of any speaking situation. However, this is not endgame for me. I constantly have to work at staying on top of the fear. If I find myself avoiding calling a business and I realize it’s due to stuttering, I will pick up the phone and call. It’s like this little voice comes into your head saying, “don’t even bother doing that, it will be too hard/ you’ll get laughed at/ it’s easier to email”. You have to squash that voice and do it anyways, because it’s crazy how fast those thoughts can take over and soon enough you find yourself frequently avoiding speaking situations, letting the stutter take the reigns again.

And finally, to answer your question about why someone who stutters can sing without stuttering. Singing and speaking are controlled by different areas of the brain. The portion that helps you sing isn’t tied to speaking, and therefore you don’t stutter when singing Isn’t the brain fascinating?!

Anyways, I hope I didn’t ramble too much. I am very much proactive in educating people of stuttering. I know it’s a small portion of the population (1%) who stutter, so I know there isn’t much talk about it, and there’s a lot of misguided education about it. And people are curious!

posted September 29, 2019 02:42 PM            

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Originally posted by polkadotstars:

Tying this to astrology, both my dad and I had mercury retrograde. That’s really the only thing I can think of. But my brother has mercury retrograde and he doesn’t stutter. I think it’s more genetics than it is astrology related

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