posted April 06, 2013 09:58 PM            

Saturn: Capricorn/Aquarius
Jupiter: Sagittarius/Pisces
Mars: Scorpio/Aries
Venus: Libra/Taurus
Mercury: Virgo/Geminii
Sun/Moon: Leo/Cancer

posted April 06, 2013 10:03 PM            

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posted April 06, 2013 10:27 PM            

As far as Saturn ruling Aquarius traditionally - I know people say that. I totally get and understand that that's the rule. Having said that, I don't agree with it for sh**, because I have an Aqua ascendant and South Node, and I'm about as far from Saturnian as you can get. I'm not even sorta Saturnine.

To be fair though, some have argued that some Aquarius people are either of the Saturn variety, or the Uranian kind. Which is a theory I can kind of work with, and makes more sense to me.

posted April 06, 2013 11:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Snorkel:
The only place I've heard of Jupiter being an alternate ruler of Pisces is in Esoteric Astrology. That's a totally different branch from Traditional Astrology, or even Western Astrology in general and has a totally different set of rules and rulerships and everything (Libra ruled by Uranus? what was Bailey smoking?!).

As far as Saturn ruling Aquarius traditionally - I know people say that. I totally get and understand that that's the rule. Having said that, I don't agree with it for sh**, because I have an Aqua ascendant and South Node, and I'm about as far from Saturnian as you can get. I'm not even sorta Saturnine.

To be fair though, some have argued that some Aquarius people are either of the Saturn variety, or the Uranian kind. Which is a theory I can kind of work with, and makes more sense to me.

I don't like or agree with the omission of Pluto or Neptune in traditional either simply because without them, my chart doesn't match my personality at all, there's a lot that goes unnaccounted for when you leave out the outer planets. I don't necessarily think either that if the traditionalists knew about the outer planets, they'd have still left them out.

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I'm an Aquarian Sun and I feel Uranus like not Saturnish... I'm eccentric, I'm different and I'm unique. I don't go with the crowd, in fact I will go out of my way to be different. For instance when I was a teen the Beatles were the rage... I told everyone I hated the Beatles and chose Rick Nelson and Frankie Avalon as my idols. Just to be different. Now i love the Beatles. LOL

posted April 07, 2013 12:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Traditional rulers work well so you can deny their existence but you'll only ever get half of the answers.

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Your opinion. Not fact.

Traditional is the one that leaves out a chunk of the planets you tell me which one gives only "half of the answers".

I suck at basic math too, but even I'm not THAT bad at it.

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Originally posted by Barbee:
I'm an Aquarian Sun and I feel Uranus like not Saturnish... I'm eccentric, I'm different and I'm unique. I don't go with the crowd, in fact I will go out of my way to be different. For instance when I was a teen the Beatles were the rage... I told everyone I hated the Beatles and chose Rick Nelson and Frankie Avalon as my idols. Just to be different. Now i love the Beatles. LOL

There is nothing, absolutely nothing else in my chart to show this trait except my Aqua sun.

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posted April 07, 2013 03:47 AM            

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Snorkel: Your opinion. Not fact.

Traditional is the one that leaves out a chunk of the planets you tell me which one gives only "half of the answers".

I suck at basic math too, but even I'm not THAT bad at it.

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Whoa whoa whoa ease it down a notch there! That's what Kerosene was saying, or trying to - that the traditional system does work, but by leaving out the outer planets, you get half the picture. I don't see why you're getting all up in arms...

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Satur9Moth: ^^;

Sorry for my wordiness.

time for bed~ lol <3 g'day/g'night everyone!

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posted April 07, 2013 04:49 AM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Whoa whoa whoa ease it down a notch there! That's what Kerosene was saying, or trying to - that the traditional system does work, but by leaving out the outer planets, you get half the picture. I don't see why you're getting all up in arms...

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Actually what they said, was this :

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Traditional rulers work well so you can deny their existence but you'll only ever get half of the answers.

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posted April 07, 2013 06:03 AM            

Opposite to what I read here, I have noticed that Aquarians often are not as "flash in the pan" like as Uranus is, which delivers this startling surprising experiences, seemingly out of nowwhere.
Most Aquarians I met are much more fixed in their beliefsystem than their ruler Uranus would indicate. I am still not sure if that comes from the fact that Aquarius is a fixed sign or because Saturn is its traditional ruler.

Traditionally there is a difference between the dayruler (Capricorn) and the night ruler (Aquarius); Aquarians are just as focused on rules or beliefsystems as Capricorns are, the difference is they are focused on their OWN.

While I have seen Uranus in strong aspects to Venus or Mars creating quite some "I need excitement, or I am out of here" vibe in relationships, this doesn`t seem to be the case with those venus in Aquarius men or women I met.

posted April 07, 2013 06:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Opposite to what I read here, I have noticed that Aquarians often are not as "flash in the pan" like as Uranus is, which delivers this startling surprising experiences, seemingly out of nowwhere.
Most Aquarians I met are much more fixed in their beliefsystem than their ruler Uranus would indicate. I am still not sure if that comes from the fact that Aquarius is a fixed sign or because Saturn is its traditional ruler.

Traditionally there is a difference between the dayruler (Capricorn) and the night ruler (Aquarius); Aquarians are just as focused on rules or beliefsystems as Capricorns are, the difference is they are focused on their OWN.

While I have seen Uranus in strong aspects to Venus or Mars creating quite some "I need excitement, or I am out of here" vibe in relationships, this doesn`t seem to be the case with those venus in Aquarius men or women I met.

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posted April 07, 2013 04:27 PM            

I know that the outer planets are considered higher vibrations of the inner planets with Pluto>Mars, Neptune>Venus, and Uranus>Mercury. But notice that when rulerships were designated for these outer planets, that they WEREN'T assigned one of the two from the lower vibration in 2 out of 3 cases. Yes, Mars traditionally ruled Aries (diurnal) and Scorpio (nocturnal) and Pluto was assigned to Scorpio.

BUT: Venus traditionally (and STILL) is considered to be the ruler of Taurus (nocturnal) and Libra (diurnal). However, Neptune, the higher vibration on Venus, WASN'T assigned to one of those signs. Mercury traditionally (and STILL) is considered to be the ruler of Gemini (diurnal) and Virgo (nocturnal). However, Uranus, the higher vibration of Mercury, WASN'T assigned either of those! WHY? Any thoughts on this?

Which signs are considered diurnal and which are considered nocturnal is based on the following article and they state that Capricorn is nocturnal and Aquarius is diurnal.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/rulership.html

posted April 07, 2013 04:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Snorkel:
This is what I'm saying. Anybody who has ever observed me for any length of time will tell you that I'm Uranian as hell. Of of my last exes, his whole thing was to repeatedly say how "weird" he thought I was. Of course, I thought (and still do think) that I'm actually pretty normal, but they say most weirdos think they aren't strange, so...

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There are no facts in astrology in terms of rulers, etc. only patterns and tendencies.

I'm an Aqua Sun (as well as Aqua Moon and Mercury), and I feel both Saturnian and Uranian.

posted April 08, 2013 08:32 AM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
In other words, rulers were associated with signs based on the patterns a sign expressed and planet that demonstrated similar qualities.

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But do the "new" rulers truly represent the sign better or is it only that we've lost sight of the appropriateness of the original ruler? Saturn seemed like a pretty weird planet until Uranus was discovered!

posted April 08, 2013 09:05 AM            

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Snorkel: I stand by what I said.

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posted April 08, 2013 09:22 AM            

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Jkitty: But do the "new" rulers truly represent the sign better or is it only that we've lost sight of the appropriateness of the original ruler? Saturn seemed like a pretty weird planet until Uranus was discovered!

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Prepare for something long...

Back then, the ancients could only see up to S-turn. As such, that was what they had to work with, and they made a neat and orderly system out of it: the Sun and the Moon sat among the two summer seasons in which daytime had longest duration, and further and further away from these months you go, further and further away from the Sun you became, planet-wise. I'm sure everyone knows this lmao!

I'm a strong believer in that collect belief actually shapes what you can receive. People believed S-turn fit in Aquarius and so it did. But now there's something new to take his place, something to which meaning was given, and now it fulfils those functions and purposes because it's what we believe in. We saw that Uranus not only rotated differently from other planets, but that it heralded technological advances, so we gave it those meanings: breakthroughs, uniqueness, technology.

We didn't lose sight of anything, if anything, we expanded our realm of vision. Just as the Sun gives off light which is reflected by the planets, so too do we give off belief which is reflected back at us by what we believe in. We delegated Aquarius to Uranus, a planet, and it's our collective belief that that would work, does it work.

posted April 08, 2013 07:17 PM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
S-turn had things ordered and efficient, but Uranus said "to hell with symmetry, there is more out there to discover".

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Oh! How wonderfully appropriate that Uranus WOULD be the first one to break the pattern. What a VERY Uranian thing to do!!

posted April 10, 2013 04:43 PM            

Maybe the outer planets signify the more mental deeper side to these signs and the traditional rulers signify the physical and mundane side!

posted April 11, 2013 05:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Snorkel:
The only place I've heard of Jupiter being an alternate ruler of Pisces is in Esoteric Astrology.

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that's not true. In esoteric astrology Pluto is ruler of Pisces.

I use both but for angular houses in the horoscope I prefer the classic rulership.

posted April 20, 2013 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by bumblebee:
that's not true. In esoteric astrology Pluto is ruler of Pisces.

I use both but for angular houses in the horoscope I prefer the classic rulership.

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