posted April 13, 2013 07:15 AM            

OK-Each House has it's ruler which SIGNIFIES that house throughout the natal. So, If I have Neptune ruling my 6th house through having Pisces on the cusp. Neptune will be the planet I look to for health issues. Is that right?

If my chart ruler is Venus by virtue of having a Libra ASC, would I look to Venus for issues of my physical body and actual events happening to me in the material world.

Like if I was going to have an accident, as seen by transit, would I look to something like Transit Mars conj my natal Venus?

I will wait for your response Ceri dear. I did not ask you first before I did this thread. I hope it is OK

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posted April 13, 2013 08:43 AM            

However, I wouldn't dismiss the house itself. I always look at the cusp of the house first, and then consider its ruler. So, in your example, I would look at transits to the 6th house for health issues, and transits to the ASC for changes in the body or appearance. Then I would consider the rulers.

posted April 13, 2013 09:32 AM            

"If my chart ruler is Venus by virtue of having a Libra ASC, would I look to Venus for issues of my physical body and actual events happening to me in the material world.

Like if I was going to have an accident, as seen by transit, would I look to something like Transit Mars conj my natal Venus?"
Yes.

It is also true, though, what Doux said, we also have to take into account WHERE, in which house the action takes place.
And if you have some planet in the 6th house, and let`s say Tr Saturn or Tr Pluto is challenging this planet, it might very well manifest as healthproblems (or other 6th house issues).
However, the CAUSE of the problem might be found in the house that the 6th house rules.

Example from my chart:
Saturn in 8th house: this MANIFESTS as inhibitions in terms of sexual intimacy (just one expression of course).

Saturn rules the 2nd house: The cause of this intimacy block lies in the 2nd house, diminished feelings of selfvalue or selfconfidence.

Also, anything that affects my selfworth adversely (even ifjust imagined), wil instantly spill over and block any kind of relational (sexual) intimacy.

If any planet is attacking my natal Saturn, I probably will be pushed to face my issues surrounding valuing myself (Saturn as ruler of 2nd house), but it will EXPRESS itself on the lvel of the 8th house (as Saturn is located there), and will make it difficult or evn impossible to allow a deep personal connection or relationship to evolve (cause inwardly I might feel I am simply not worth it).

The only way to "heal" this complex, is working on the 2nd house issues. If you work on the house where it is located, you might just treat the symptoms; while the cause, relating to the house the planet in question rules, might still be unhealed.

There are some instances though, when you heal the expression, it might even spill over to the cause.
An acting teacher taught me this:
Smile even if you are sad inside and at one point it will spill overy into your inner being, and you will feel the smile inside.

It does not work always like this, but mroe often than I would have believed.

posted April 13, 2013 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Lunae:
Wow, this explains a lot. Especially that 8th house saturn example. I have it, and it also rules my 8th house. Double emphasis on intimacy issues. Lol

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Like everything it also has its flipside (though in my case Saturn is retograde and in Cancer. It`s a wimpy Saturn. LOL).

In the case of an unafflicted, healthy operating Saturn in 8th house as ruler of it, I`d hink that there is the possibility of great depth and commitment in intimate relationships. Not likely to play the field (unless in overcompensation-mode; the example from my chart is unfortunately in avoidance-mode; but working on getting it in healthy-expressing-mode. lol).

posted April 13, 2013 03:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Like everything it also has its flipside (though in my case Saturn is retograde and in Cancer. It`s a wimpy Saturn. LOL).

In the case of an unafflicted, healthy operating Saturn in 8th house as ruler of it, I`d hink that there is the possibility of great depth and commitment in intimate relationships. Not likely to play the field (unless in overcompensation-mode; the example from my chart is unfortunately in avoidance-mode; but working on getting it in healthy-expressing-mode. lol).

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My Saturn is domicile in 1 deg Aqua, and it rules Cappy 8h in the late degrees. LOTS of saturnian influence in that area-- I can resonate to being the type who doesn't play the field (my libra venus says otherwise but then it's squared by Saturn too )

Anyways, about the double emphasis on intimacy issues, would it mean that since I am not the type to 'play the field', I should learn to play the field more so issues would be balanced out? Like facing the music itself to get the right tune?

posted April 13, 2013 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I'm not Ceri (no, really? lol) but I think that's right!

However, I wouldn't dismiss the house itself. I always look at the cusp of the house first, and then consider its ruler. So, in your example, I would look at transits to the 6th house for health issues, and transits to the ASC for changes in the body or appearance. Then I would consider the rulers.

But that's just me!

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OK
Transits to 6th House for health and transits to ASC for body or appearance but what about RULERS of these houses, Doux? What about transits to the rulers?

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posted April 13, 2013 04:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Lunae:
My Saturn is domicile in 1 deg Aqua, and it rules Cappy 8h in the late degrees. LOTS of saturnian influence in that area-- I can resonate to being the type who doesn't play the field (my libra venus says otherwise but then it's squared by Saturn too )

Anyways, about the double emphasis on intimacy issues, would it mean that since I am not the type to 'play the field', I should learn to play the field more so issues would be balanced out? Like facing the music itself to get the right tune?

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No actually I think it is the opposite. You will never make a Saturn in 8th behave like a n 8th house Uranus.
Probably the solution (if there is one needed) would be to accept the sincerity you need and provide in relationships, which means that a playertype-relationship probably will never satisfy you. Nor will a Neptunian dreamy one.

Of course you should try to be relaxed about it, but that is not the same as suddenly becoming a contact-athlete. Or even a player. I guess if you tried this you wouldn´t be yourself anymore.

At least that is my opinion.

posted April 13, 2013 05:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"So, If I have Neptune ruling my 6th house through having Pisces on the cusp. Neptune will be the planet I look to for health issues. Is that right?"
Yes.

"If my chart ruler is Venus by virtue of having a Libra ASC, would I look to Venus for issues of my physical body and actual events happening to me in the material world.

Like if I was going to have an accident, as seen by transit, would I look to something like Transit Mars conj my natal Venus?"
Yes.

It is also true, though, what Doux said, we also have to take into account WHERE, in which house the action takes place.
And if you have some planet in the 6th house, and let`s say Tr Saturn or Tr Pluto is challenging this planet, it might very well manifest as healthproblems (or other 6th house issues).
However, the CAUSE of the problem might be found in the house that the 6th house rules.

Example from my chart:
Saturn in 8th house: this MANIFESTS as inhibitions in terms of sexual intimacy (just one expression of course).

Saturn rules the 2nd house: The cause of this intimacy block lies in the 2nd house, diminished feelings of selfvalue or selfconfidence.

Also, anything that affects my selfworth adversely (even ifjust imagined), wil instantly spill over and block any kind of relational (sexual) intimacy.

If any planet is attacking my natal Saturn, I probably will be pushed to face my issues surrounding valuing myself (Saturn as ruler of 2nd house), but it will EXPRESS itself on the lvel of the 8th house (as Saturn is located there), and will make it difficult or evn impossible to allow a deep personal connection or relationship to evolve (cause inwardly I might feel I am simply not worth it).

The only way to "heal" this complex, is working on the 2nd house issues. If you work on the house where it is located, you might just treat the symptoms; while the cause, relating to the house the planet in question rules, might still be unhealed.

There are some instances though, when you heal the expression, it might even spill over to the cause.
An acting teacher taught me this:
Smile even if you are sad inside and at one point it will spill overy into your inner being, and you will feel the smile inside.

It does not work always like this, but mroe often than I would have believed.

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Wow There is a lot here. Let me see if I can ask you some questions. If Pisces rules the 6th house and Neptune is conj the ASC, one could be a hypochondriac as one "wears" the 6 th house. Now, if Mars transits the ASC and conjuncts Neptune, could that make poor health?

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posted April 13, 2013 05:02 PM            

If Jupiter conj neptune, could that make good health and feeling abundant?

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
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If Jupiter conj neptune, could that make good health and feeling abundant?

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It could, but it depends on the natal condition of 6h house ruler. But keep in mind, Jupiter enlargens what it touches.
So if for example you have a tumour, you surely do NOT want Tr Jupiter coming near your 6th house ruler in any way!

But then again, 6th house is not ONLY health, and actually the healthproblems of the 6zth house usually are signals of a failed adaption to your environment/ surrounding.
The ASC is the "health centre" itself, as it is the point of your physicality.

Now a Tr Saturn squaring your 6th house ruler, which sits on the ASC, that could be unpleasant.
On the other hand it does not always have to have physical manifestations as in sickness, if you can get to the bottom of the emotional issues.

posted April 14, 2013 01:05 PM            

I will use myself as I know my chart the best. I have a Libra ASC and Venus is in the 9th. Venus s my chart ruler in Gemini in the 9th house. Tell me what I could expect when Transit Mars conjuncts Venus. I know there could be many possibilities, but what would be some, please?

In my natal, Aries is on the 7th house cusp so Mars is the ruler of the 7th. I put all this out there and really would not know how to call it? Thanks Ceri!

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posted April 14, 2013 01:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No actually I think it is the opposite. You will never make a Saturn in 8th behave like a n 8th house Uranus.
Probably the solution (if there is one needed) would be to accept the sincerity you need and provide in relationships, which means that a playertype-relationship probably will never satisfy you. Nor will a Neptunian dreamy one.

Of course you should try to be relaxed about it, but that is not the same as suddenly becoming a contact-athlete. Or even a player. I guess if you tried this you wouldn´t be yourself anymore.

At least that is my opinion.

My Saturn in 8th house will always be a Saturn. But I can make him a happy, or at least content, Saturn.
Though yes, a bit of lightening up could never be wrong. lol

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Lol, true. I would never be happy with a player-type of relationship though there was a point in my life when I almost considered the friends with benefits thing haha.

Anyways, thank you for answering my Q Ceri!

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posted April 14, 2013 02:11 PM            

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Interesting about Saturn placements. I have it in the 2nd and although I have always had enough material things, I still feel insecure about it.

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posted April 14, 2013 03:13 PM            

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Ok Lets backtrack Ceri, if we can

I will use myself as I know my chart the best. I have a Libra ASC and Venus is in the 9th. Venus s my chart ruler in Gemini in the 9th house. Tell me what I could expect when Transit Mars conjuncts Venus. I know there could be many possibilities, but what would be some, please?

In my natal, Aries is on the 7th house cusp so Mars is the ruler of the 7th. I put all this out there and really would not know how to call it? Thanks Ceri!

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Your instinctive urge is to communicate your ideas and philosophies with your surroundings (not in a career sense,b ut definitely within your society).

Your beliefsystem is extremely important to you, as is your education probably and you want or need to feel appreciated for your thoughts and knowledge.
Even your writing style - short, witty, to the point, colourful- is very fitting for a Gemini planet in 9th house.

Another manifestation of course could be that you are going abroad or travelling (9th house is about broadening the horizon; could be in mental ways or just expanding above your normal environment).

Now, if Mars comes to join your Venus, he wil trigger that ruler of 1st house in GEmini in 9th house. You might get stimulated into formulating your theories and philosophies in more direct ways, or striving to publish them. Of course with Mars, there is also the possibility of a lively debate with others, even arguments.

I`d think it would be likely that the stimulus/ trigger comes to you in the form of another person, as Mars rules your 7th house.

The transiting ruler of the 7th house conjunct the natal ruler of 1st house, might also mean that an OTHER comes into your life. Encounters. Might even be a potential relationship-partner, but could also be a new friend, someone who is going to assist you, or even someone who will be annoying the hell out of you.
Since this conjunction is happening in your 9th house, this may take place on 9th house areas: university, discussion cycles, church, abroad (could also be a foreigner), astrology groups , on a long trip, etc.

posted April 14, 2013 03:39 PM            

I`d think it would be likely that the stimulus/ trigger comes to you in the form of another person, as Mars rules your 7th house.

This really helps as one needs to look at transit mars in terms of the house in which *I* have Aries on the cusp. Right?

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posted April 14, 2013 03:45 PM            

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[b]Now, if Mars comes to join your Venus, he wil trigger that ruler of 1st house in GEmini in 9th house. You might get stimulated into formulating your theories and philosophies in more direct ways, or striving to publish them. Of course with Mars, there is also the possibility of a lively debate with others, even arguments.

I`d think it would be likely that the stimulus/ trigger comes to you in the form of another person, as Mars rules your 7th house.

This really helps as one needs to look at transit mars in terms of the house in which *I* have Aries on the cusp. Right?

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Well, probably you don´t *need* to do it, Mars still has its own planetary symbolism, but yes, often it works like that. Cause to you Mars has a double function, as Mars and as ruler of the 7th house, so whenever you are meeting Mars in another person or in a transit, you are perceiving him in both functions, as Mars and as ruler of the 7th house.

posted April 14, 2013 06:10 PM            

Wow thank you. The double function thing got me confused but I get it now. I will consider another question and be back. Thanks for the opportunity Ceri! xx

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