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Topic: Lack of Fire in Natal
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goatcat Knowflake Posts: 593 From: Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 01:29 AM
According to my dominant element chart I am 50.8% Earth 18.3% Air 30.9% Water No fire. IP: Logged |
goatcat Knowflake Posts: 593 From: Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 01:32 AM
From my astrological portrait:Like the majority of Earth signs, Tianacat, you are efficient, concrete and not too emotional. What matters to you is what you see: you judge the tree by its fruits. Your ideas keep changing, consequences are visible and remain. Express your sensitivity, even if it means revealing your vulnerability. Emotions, energy and communication must not be neglected; concrete action is meaningless if it is not justified by your heart, your intellect or your enthusiasm. The predominance of Water signs indicates high sensitivity and elevation through emotions are your driving forces, and you can't do anything on Earth if you don't feel a strong affective charge (as a matter of fact, the word "feeling" is essential in your psychology). You need to love in order to understand, and to feel in order to take action. Since it may be detrimental to your vulnerability, you should learn to fight against it. Fire's qualities are not very present in your chart, with only 0.0% instead of the average 25%, which means that you may lack warmth, enthusiasm, conquering spirit, or energy. You may look indifferent to others, with almost no desire, no joy of life or no enterprising ability. Actually, it is not true, but you should let go, force amazement as well as your vitality. You certainly have as much energy as others, you just need to release it, and it is up to you to display more of it, since it will be all to your benefit: shout, sing, pull faces, dance! That's the right mean for you... In the end, you'll never be accused of being sad, phlegmatic or a killjoy! IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Knowflake Posts: 1595 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 03:14 AM
^^ From where did you get that report from Goatcat?IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 868 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 03:25 AM
Strange thing is, I have Mars and Venus in fire signs but Venus is in house ten with a Water sign on the cusp. I also have six planets in the water houses and what your report says reminds me of what I am like, not much desire or passion about anything (as in not really caring if I have relationships) and too emotional, at times hysterical. Mars is in an air house with a fire sign on the cusp though. I wonder if having planets in water houses is just like having them in water signs... IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Knowflake Posts: 1595 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 03:58 AM
Starlight... what do you mean by water houses? I thought it was the same as water signs... I have a 8H mars, 8 house is Leo,Mars is in Virgo. I have 7 H mercury,venus,sun,saturn,7H is cancer,stellium is in Leo. IP: Logged |
goatcat Knowflake Posts: 593 From: Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 04:01 AM
quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407: ^^ From where did you get that report from Goatcat?
Astrotheme.com, under Astrology and Personality IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 868 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 04:04 AM
Jessica, Water houses are the ones traditionally ruled by the water signs. They are 4/Cancer, 8/Scorpio and 12/Pisces. I have six planets in 8 & 12 and although they have earth signs on the cusp, (Taurus on 8, Virgo on 12) they supposedly still have the watery affect on the planets just not as much because of the earth sign cusp. At least this is how it seems whenever I look online, I read 12 especially described as the house which rules water and things like the ocean. IP: Logged |
goatcat Knowflake Posts: 593 From: Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 04:07 AM
What is the difference between fire and water? My results interpret because I have no fire, I lack spirit and vitality but I feel like I have a lot of spirit because I have a lot of water. My sun sign is also Cardinal.IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 868 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 04:10 AM
Water can mean less energy and passion while fire is more energy and passion. Water and air are the ones that seem to lack the most energy or spirit. Spirit is just that peppy quality. Most water and air signs are not what I would consider peppy. Of course if the water sign has many planets in signs like Aries, it could give them more spark. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Knowflake Posts: 1595 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 04:11 AM
^^ ahhh okay...so if I have a 8H mars, there's a watery influence on my mars? A 5th house Jupiter a fiery influence?IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 868 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 04:12 AM
quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407: ^^ ahhh okay...so if I have a 8H mars, there's a watery influence on my mars? A 5th house Jupiter a fiery influence?
Pretty sure it works like that, kinda, but the sign on the cusp has influence as well as the one the planet is actually in. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Knowflake Posts: 1595 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 04:15 AM
quote: Originally posted by goatcat: Astrotheme.com, under Astrology and Personality
Thank you! Fire 49.4% Earth 22.4% water 18.6% Air 9.5% Fire is dominant in your natal chart and endows you with intuition, energy, courage, self-confidence, and enthusiasm! You are inclined to be passionate, you assert your willpower, you move forward, and come hell or high water, you achieve your dreams and your goals. The relative weakness of this element is the difficulty to step back or a kind of boldness that may prompt you to do foolish things. Like the majority of Earth signs,you are efficient, concrete and not too emotional. What matters to you is what you see: you judge the tree by its fruits. Your ideas keep changing, words disappear, but actions and their consequences are visible and remain. Express your sensitivity, even if it means revealing your vulnerability. Emotions, energy and communication must not be neglected; concrete action is meaningless if it is not justified by your heart, your intellect or your enthusiasm. Air is under-represented in your natal chart, with only 9.5% instead of the average 25%. Air symbolizes the values of communication, exchanges with others, but also adaptability and flexibility abilities: if you don't get out of your cocoon to talk, to show interest in others, and to socialize, you may have problems understanding others. Because of your lack of flexibility or of your refusal to adapt yourself, you may be suddenly overwhelmed by events. You should get into the habit of talking, of phoning, and of thinking in terms of "mobility, flexibility, adaptability, change" in every circumstance. It will spare you so many troubles! LOL,the last part is so not true!
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goatcat Knowflake Posts: 593 From: Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 04:15 AM
I feel like I'm 50% water instead of Earth! I am a drama queen! I do feel like a chill grounded person but it's backed with so much drama and emotion...I'm the type that has to be a drama queen and get everything out before I can get my self together and move on. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Knowflake Posts: 1595 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 04:19 AM
quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: Pretty sure it works like that, kinda, but the sign on the cusp has influence as well as the one the planet is actually in.
sooo the sign on the cusp for my mars would be Leo, and Virgo being the sign Mars is actually in? Basically speaking Mars would be having a watery,fiery and airy influence all at once? am I getting it right? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 868 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 04:26 AM
Jessica, you have nearly as much Fire as I have Air, lol! My Air is 47.9% Or make that you have more Fire than I have Air!However, I can honestly say, I act far more like a water sign than an Air sign or an Earth sign, for that matter. Earth is my second most common element at 27.4% Truth is, I am an emotional wreck. It might have something to do with the Cancer midheaven and ruler, moon, in exact opp to Neptune from Scorpio as well as the water houses I already mentioned. I still possess the logical elements of Libra where Mercury is placed but am far more emotional than the typical Libra ascendant and a trillion times more than the Virgo sun. I have Pisces north node too so maybe that's another reason? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 868 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 04:28 AM
quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407: sooo the sign on the cusp for my mars would be Leo, and Virgo being the sign Mars is actually in? Basically speaking Mars would be having a watery,fiery and airy influence all at once? am I getting it right?
Mars is in Virgo/H5? You could interpret it as an earth Mars with some fire undertones. Like, it might have a bit more pep and energy than a Virgo Mars in H4 or 12. I suspect a Mars in H12 is really low energy, or the energy is hidden from others and only comes out when the person is alone or something?
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Jessica2407 Knowflake Posts: 1595 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 04:30 AM
quote: Originally posted by goatcat: I feel like I'm 50% water instead of Earth! I am a drama queen! I do feel like a chill grounded person but it's backed with so much drama and emotion...I'm the type that has to be a drama queen and get everything out before I can get my self together and move on.
Where is your moon goatcat? is she in a water sign maybe? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 868 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 04:33 AM
I am a bit of a drama queen as well but I have Venus in Leo.IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Knowflake Posts: 1595 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 04:38 AM
quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Jessica2407: [b] sooo the sign on the cusp for my mars would be Leo, and Virgo being the sign Mars is actually in? Basically speaking Mars would be having a watery,fiery and airy influence all at once? am I getting it right?
Mars is in Virgo/H5? You could interpret it as an earth Mars with some fire undertones. Like, it might have a bit more pep and energy than a Virgo Mars in H4 or 12. I suspect a Mars in H12 is really low energy, or the energy is hidden from others and only comes out when the person is alone or something?[/B][/QUOTE]I believe you are right, my Mars is in Virgo/H8 to be more exact. My Jupiter is in Taurus/H5. Taurus is an earth fixed sign right? Natural H5 is leo, fiery,fixed sign. Jupiter sextile sun in my natal chart.Venus ruler of Taurus is in Leo. So you see, everything at the end ends up at the sign Leo and sun.LOL. Do you know how midpoints work starlight? I have Venus midpoint Jupiter in cancer my H7. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Knowflake Posts: 1595 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 04:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: I am a bit of a drama queen as well but I have Venus in Leo.
I'm not much of a drama queen lol. I don't see the point of making drama.lol I'm blunt and straightforward, if something bothers me,I roar like a lioness!!! IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 868 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 04:52 AM
quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407: I believe you are right, my Mars is in Virgo/H8 to be more exact. My Jupiter is in Taurus/H5. Taurus is an earth fixed sign right? Natural H5 is leo, fiery,fixed sign. Jupiter sextile sun in my natal chart.Venus ruler of Taurus is in Leo. So you see, everything at the end ends up at the sign Leo and sun.LOL. Do you know how midpoints work starlight? I have Venus midpoint Jupiter in cancer my H7.
You have the sign Leo on H8 with Mars/Virgo inside...got it. So that would give you water/fire and earth, what a combination, lol. Earth and water do well together while fire would be the odd one out. Do you feel your Mars energy waxing and waning? Maybe it would do that with the water/fire mixed influence? Jupiter in Taurus H5 giving Jupiter a mixture of earth and fire. This has a little more promise than fire and water which do not mix at all unless there's oil on top of that water. Otherwise, fire is going out. Earth can have trees and prairie grass to help sustain the energy of fire. Still not as ideal as air and fire. So I would say you have some pep but not unlimited. A fixed sign on a fixed house would mean you have an easier time sustaining Jupiter's energy in that sector over longer periods of time. Fixed signs are the stubborn ones that stay with things. You might be the type who likes to do the same things over and over on dates and what not and are very devoted to young people, spoiling them, practically. They can count on you. I am sure dates with you are comfortable and fun. Do you like art? Jupiter in Taurus suggests you might and H5 is the art house AND you have so much going on in Leo. Maybe you like acting and plays? You must be creative in your own way about something. Venus/Jupiter midpoint in Cancer H7 no wonder you love to cook and you benefit through it and others really appreciate this about you. Is this what the midpoint suggests? If someone has a planet like the sun or moon on that midpoint, would it mean they can expect to be showered with good food and plenty of caring nurturing? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 868 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 04:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407: I'm not much of a drama queen lol. I don't see the point of making drama.lol I'm blunt and straightforward, if something bothers me,I roar like a lioness!!!
I don't make drama but I do dramatize my emotions, expressions, reactions. That's my version of drama. Guess it's planets on the ascending degree that turns the drama inward on myself? IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Knowflake Posts: 1595 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 05:07 AM
quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: You have the sign Leo on H8 with Mars/Virgo inside...got it. So that would give you water/fire and earth, what a combination, lol. Earth and water do well together while fire would be the odd one out. Do you feel your Mars energy waxing and waning? Maybe it would do that with the water/fire mixed influence? Jupiter in Taurus H5 giving Jupiter a mixture of earth and fire. This has a little more promise than fire and water which do not mix at all unless there's oil on top of that water. Otherwise, fire is going out. Earth can have trees and prairie grass to help sustain the energy of fire. Still not as ideal as air and fire. So I would say you have some pep but not unlimited. A fixed sign on a fixed house would mean you have an easier time sustaining Jupiter's energy in that sector over longer periods of time. Fixed signs are the stubborn ones that stay with things. You might be the type who likes to do the same things over and over on dates and what not and are very devoted to young people, spoiling them, practically. They can count on you. I am sure dates with you are comfortable and fun. Do you like art? Jupiter in Taurus suggests you might and H5 is the art house AND you have so much going on in Leo. Maybe you like acting and plays? You must be creative in your own way about something. Venus/Jupiter midpoint in Cancer H7 no wonder you love to cook and you benefit through it and others really appreciate this about you. Is this what the midpoint suggests? If someone has a planet like the sun or moon on that midpoint, would it mean they can expect to be showered with good food and plenty of caring nurturing?
Yes! To my mars energy waxing and going suddenly dormant I would rather say. I love art,theatrical plays you are absolutely right.I'm really devoted to children, especially small ones I adore them to pieces,I love giving them treats and I can spend hours in their company just watching cartoons together WOW you are so spot on lol.I was wondering about midpoints the other day.BTW I also have sun midpoint moon in cancer,sun midpoint Jupiter in gemini,moon midpoint venus in cancer...
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Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 2971 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted April 14, 2013 05:58 AM
- Water 38.2% - Air 33.7% - Earth 28.1%
quote: The predominance of Water signs indicates high sensitivity and elevation through feelings, Doux. Your heart and your emotions are your driving forces, and you can't do anything on Earth if you don't feel a strong affective charge (as a matter of fact, the word "feeling" is essential in your psychology). You need to love in order to understand, and to feel in order to take action. Since it may be detrimental to your vulnerability, you should learn to fight against it.
I can't really relate to that, but there's probably some truth to it.
quote: Cheers for communication and mobility, Doux! The predominance of Air signs in your chart favours and amplifies your taste for relations and for all kinds of short trips, whether real (travels) or symbolic (new ideas, mind speculations). You gain in flexibility and adaptability what you lose in self-assertion or in pragmatism.
Pretty much. quote: Fire's qualities are not very present in your chart, with only 0.0% instead of the average 25%, which means that you may lack warmth, enthusiasm, conquering spirit, or energy. You may look indifferent to others, with almost no desire, no joy of life or no enterprising ability. Actually, it is not true, but you should let go, force yourself to be more daring, and show your amazement as well as your vitality. You certainly have as much energy as others, you just need to release it, and it is up to you to display more of it, since it will be all to your benefit: shout, sing, pull faces, dance! That's the right mean for you... In the end, you'll never be accused of being sad, phlegmatic or a killjoy!
I like my life as it is now, to be honest. True, I'm not the most energetic person in the world, but so what? As long as I enjoy myself, I don't see any problem. Goatcat, don't worry about having no Fire natally. Your progressed planets will move into Fire signs at some point - or already have - and some transits can give you more energy (Jupiter for example). I was really disappointed and discouraged when I learned that I had no Fire in my chart. It made me depressed because I could relate to the description so much and felt like I was "less than" what I should be. But, with time, I've learned to just accept it and try to make the best out of my existing elements, which, fortunately, are all quite balanced. I don't consider myself unlucky any longer, even though I will never resemble a Fire sign!
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goatcat Knowflake Posts: 593 From: Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 09:51 AM
quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407: Where is your moon goatcat? is she in a water sign maybe?
Scorpio moon. IP: Logged | |