posted April 16, 2013 09:07 AM            

Does it mean that you will have to experience a lot a pain throughout in order attain freedom at the end?

posted April 16, 2013 01:01 PM            

I have a tough life and guess I am spiritual. Best thing about having Jupiter in twelve for me is the way it makes the bad seem alright and it just becomes part of who I am and I accept it and sorta am so used to it, I would have a difficult time adapting to something different. I bravely explore life's darker elements kinda like how the Star Ship Enterprise explores interstellar space.

I guess accepting a tough life and liking it is the essence of spirituality. I also never ever worry. Ever.

posted April 17, 2013 07:23 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Four planets in twelve, two planets in eight no planets in nine with intensely personalized moon in eight. Sun is in eleven about two degrees from twelve when using the Placidus system of houses and in it when using equal.

I have a tough life and guess I am spiritual. Best thing about having Jupiter in twelve for me is the way it makes the bad seem alright and it just becomes part of who I am and I accept it and sorta am so used to it, I would have a difficult time adapting to something different. I bravely explore life's darker elements kinda like how the Star Ship Enterprise explores interstellar space.

I guess accepting a tough life and liking it is the essence of spirituality. I also never ever worry. Ever.

Best way to deal with life, focus on other people and have empathy. Good things will follow.

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Ya....Jupiter in the 12th sure is lucky...it must be making things more pleasant....
My Jupiter is in the 2nd...opposing my merc-venus , if that means anything....

posted April 18, 2013 11:07 AM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Which houses are the spiritual houses?

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Although every house has both the material and spiritual significance, Some houses are especially recognised.
Like the 4th, 8th, 12th houses (or water/psyche houses) are considered the houses of Moksha/Liberation.
The 9th house is the house of religion, philosophy and spiritual journeys.
You might also say the 2nd house which refers to our values and the 6th, our sense of service.

Here are some links which are pretty good....
http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_twelvehouses.shtml
https://www.janspiller.com/101_life.php http://humanityunitedforum.com/17849578-The-Secrets-of-the-12-Twelve-Astrological-Houses.pdf

Especially the last link gives pretty good insight...

posted April 19, 2013 12:43 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
^^ In that case, I have two more spiritual contributions to make: Neptune in house 2 and North Node in 6. South Node's in 12, btw. I am loaded up on everything that's spiritual in this life, looks like. I am surprised I even have a corporeal existence.

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Lol me too.....
I have NN and pluto in the 4th in scorpio
Jupiter in 2nd
Neptune-Uranus near 6th cusp.
merc-venus in 8th are in pisces
mars in 12th is in cancer
And, sun conjunct moon, where moon is 12th house ruler.

The only planet left is Saturn on DC.

LOL !!

posted April 19, 2013 01:24 PM            

The way I see it, only the 9th, 12th and maybe the 8th houses can be "spiritual".
9th = religion, faith, higher mind
12th = spirituality in its wider sense, the hidden dimension, "Oneness"
8th = psychic experiences, the fine line between the seen and the unseen, the occult

posted April 20, 2013 02:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
In my opinion, houses 1 to 6 cannot be spiritual, they are below the horizon and are about the personal/physical plane.

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Okay, but the 4th house is considered spiritual by most astrologers since it also signifies your inner true self deep down and your real home.

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The way I see it, only the 9th, 12th and maybe the 8th houses can be "spiritual".
9th = religion, faith, higher mind
12th = spirituality in its wider sense, the hidden dimension, "Oneness"
8th = psychic experiences, the fine line between the seen and the unseen, the occult

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And I have all my personal planets loaded in these houses...ugh

I think people who have an emphasis on these houses tend to "need" a spiritual outlet of some kind in order to feel at peace within themselves. They're more aware of the spiritual world (consciously or not) and can't ignore it. If they do, it will probably make them miserable and lead them to painful feelings/situations (12th house = addictions, escapist tendencies; 9th = restlessness, fear of being trapped; 8th = inner tension, conflicts, obsessions).
Just some ideas.[/B][/QUOTE]

thanks!

posted April 20, 2013 02:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
In my opinion, houses 1 to 6 cannot be spiritual, they are below the horizon and are about the personal/physical plane.

The way I see it, only the 9th, 12th and maybe the 8th houses can be "spiritual".
9th = religion, faith, higher mind
12th = spirituality in its wider sense, the hidden dimension, "Oneness"
8th = psychic experiences, the fine line between the seen and the unseen, the occult

I think people who have an emphasis on these houses tend to "need" a spiritual outlet of some kind in order to feel at peace within themselves. They're more aware of the spiritual world (consciously or not) and can't ignore it. If they do, it will probably make them miserable and lead them to painful feelings/situations (12th house = addictions, escapist tendencies; 9th = restlessness, fear of being trapped; 8th = inner tension, conflicts, obsessions).
Just some ideas.

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Just because a house is associated with the personal/physical plane doesn't mean it isn't spiritual. I have my Aqua Sun, moon, mercury in the 12th, with Venus and Jupiter on my Pisces ascendant (with my chart ruler--Neptune--in the 9th), Uranus in Scorpio in the 8th, and Saturn Rx in Cancer in the 4th. I experience Saturn's effects as much in a spiritual sense as I do in a physical sense. You could say that I experience them in the spiritual because I feel them physically. The pathway to the spiritual is the physical.

posted April 20, 2013 05:21 AM            

4th house and spirituality - I can see where you guys are coming from. But that's digging really deep in the 4th. I doubt someone with a loaded 4th house and no planets in the 8th/9th/12th would be very spiritual. Just my opinion.

posted April 20, 2013 06:23 AM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Just because a house is associated with the personal/physical plane doesn't mean it isn't spiritual. I have my Aqua Sun, moon, mercury in the 12th, with Venus and Jupiter on my Pisces ascendant (with my chart ruler--Neptune--in the 9th), Uranus in Scorpio in the 8th, and Saturn Rx in Cancer in the 4th. I experience Saturn's effects as much in a spiritual sense as I do in a physical sense. You could say that I experience them in the spiritual [b]because I feel them physically. The pathway to the spiritual is the physical.

I also have Mars in the 11th, Pluto in the 7th, and I don't deny their spirituality.[/B]

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You are a pisces ascendant with venus-jupiter in pisces too, along with sun-moon-mercury in the 12th..and your Asc ruler is in the 9th (same here )...plus you don't have any planets in the earth houses...
All this is screaming spirituality!

posted April 20, 2013 06:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I doubt someone with a loaded 4th house and no planets in the 8th/9th/12th would be very spiritual. Just my opinion.

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Yeah....I'd agree with that..

Or, maybe,even if no planets in the 8th/9th/12th... particular natal planetary aspects could provide the spiritual touch..
Even look to what those particular house rulers are doing....

posted April 20, 2013 06:42 AM            

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Originally posted by twinswans:
You are a pisces ascendant with venus-jupiter in pisces too, along with sun-moon-mercury in the 12th..and your Asc ruler is in the 9th (same here )...plus you don't have any planets in the earth houses...
All this is screaming spirituality!

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posted April 20, 2013 02:14 PM            

House two is about what we value, both physically and spiritually. I have Neptune there and am pretty much a non materialist. It has a profound affect on my value system. I am much more comfortable with all that is unseen and has no material value.

posted April 20, 2013 03:43 PM            

I have Saturn Neptune and Uranus in 2. Sun and Mercury in 9.

posted April 21, 2013 01:06 AM            

Capricorn Uranus(chart ruler) conjunct neptune in the 12th

Scorpio jupiter in the 9th. Unaspected, conjunct sun/moon midpoint and dispositor of sun, merc, venus, mars, nnode.

I used to be spiritual but I had to suppress most of it. Couldn't take the external negativity anymore. It was a sudden exposure to life's harshness and I couldn't really stand it. So just clammed up in my shell. Now, I'm fine and indifferent. The good thing about jupiter is that it still sees good everywhere and cries. But it doesn't want to do that good.

My life isn't particularly difficult. Just filled with trouble, mostly products of my own doing. Things can get a bit boring so from time to time I pour water to sulphuric acid.

posted April 21, 2013 01:39 AM            

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Originally posted by twinswans:
Although every house has both the material and spiritual significance, Some houses are especially recognised.

Like the 4th, 8th, 12th houses (or water/psyche houses) are considered the houses of Moksha/Liberation.

The 9th house is the house of religion, philosophy and spiritual journeys.

You might also say the 2nd house which refers to our values and the 6th, our sense of service.

Here are some links which are pretty good....
http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_twelvehouses.shtml
https://www.janspiller.com/101_life.php
http://humanityunitedforum.com/17849578-The-Secrets-of-the-12-Twelve-Astrological- Houses.pdf

Especially the last link gives pretty good insight...

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Thanks for this interesting topic, twinswans! I just printed out the pdf by Moses Siregar III to read and consider... 18 pages long. (Good to read on busride...)

posted April 21, 2013 10:02 AM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
What's interesting is that some, if not many, are under the impression that those with a lot spirituality in their charts (of those "into astrology") couldn't hurt a fly. Experience has shown me that they're the last people you want to mess with. They may give off a very innocent/forgiving/accepting energy, and they do, but if crossed, the universe takes over and re-balances things on their behalf. So, people may think they've gotten away with crossing someone like this. Those people are in for a rude awakening.

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OMG !! and I thought only I had noticed this....its like you said this after looking at an instance in my life....
This is soo true !!!

posted April 21, 2013 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by depth:

I used to be spiritual but I had to suppress most of it.

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Don't suppress it...its actually a gift.
With your Chart ruler conjunct Neptune in the 12th and moon in the 8th.....life might seem very harsh and this might feel like the EASY way out...but its not the RIGHT way out....

posted April 21, 2013 10:30 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Thanks for this interesting topic, twinswans! I just printed out the pdf by Moses Siregar III to read and consider... 18 pages long. (Good to read on busride...)

I really like reading the thoughts expressed here by everyone... Need to go and think for a while...

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posted April 21, 2013 10:40 AM            

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Originally posted by twinswans:
OMG !! and I thought only I had noticed this....its like you said this after looking at an instance in my life....
This is soo true !!!

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