posted April 16, 2013 11:26 PM            

I know that to some extent this probably has to do with synastry these individuals or whatever rather than just my natal chart, but I am curious, as this isn't the first time this has happened. In my own chart, I don't have anything in the 11th, but I do have Leo intercepted in that house. Could this contribute to that?

posted April 17, 2013 12:36 AM            

It could be - first of all because - no toxic person or toxic group is *just* toxic. There might things you do like about those people and those things pull you back in. Or they might contact you and you simply won't feel like rejecting them because you don't dislike them enough to reject them... even though their overall influence is negative.

Secondly - it could be a karmic thing where maybe that person or group of people feel like they need you or they get clingy towards you.. (maybe subconsciously). So even if you are trying to break free - their clinginess and reliance on you *being there* might make you feel like - you would be betraying their trust if you were not there.

Thirdly - It could just be pure curiosity. Sometimes things that are forbidden, toxic, negative, painful... can seem fascinating. Maybe part of you wants to learn more about those people or figure out why they make you feel the way they do.. Maybe there is something you need learn from the situation on a karmic level.

posted April 17, 2013 10:03 AM            

I suspect you're a fairly introverted person who has some difficulty asserting yourself. A few things jump out at me:

--Virgo ASC:

WIth this, one had difficulty asserting oneself in relationships an social situations; tends to adopt an "observer" type role in personal relationships that can develop into habitual passivity (i.e. just go along with other people); being ruled by Mercury, this ascedent is very senstive to things like conflict, disapproval and disagreement that can be hard on the native's nervous system; you need to learn to know your limits, to not overextend yourself; exercise, diet and your environment all have a little more influence over you than others, so making right choices about those is very important for your health and wellbeing.

Sun on 8th house cusp:

The 8th house tends to hide the emotional and personal needs of the native, making them "not obvious" to other people. This especially true for younger people. This makes the native vulnerable to being "used" or objectified by others. Emotions run deep, and so do memories, but the native has a hard time revealing that depth to others. The 8th takes up where the 5th, 6th and 7th houses leaves off, and people with this placement often find themselves to positions of service to others in personal relationships, unless they strive to develop their own sense of self-possession (i.e. setting boundaries, saying "no"). The 8th house is a water house, so there's a lot of compassion there, which may make the 8th house Sun native too ready to give in to others, and then experience deep feelings of being used, misled, betrayed, objectified, maybe even abused. This can become cyclic if the person doesn't learn to set boundaries and exercise better choices with who they let into their lives. Childhood patterns of being abused or manipulated by parents or other adults may have conditioned a 8th house Sun native to accept such treatment as "normal" and thus they will need to confront these patterns of behaviors and learn to develop healthier relationships. Therapy, meditation, support groups and astrology can help a 8th house Sun native come to terms with these patterns and overcome them.

Sun square Saturn: from Cafe Astrology--

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Those people born under a challenging aspect between the Sun and Saturn face a fair number of challenges in their lives, especially in the first half of life, in which their attempts to express their will are thwarted. There can be a persistent feeling that they don't get what they want more often than other people around them. They can feel unlucky. Attempts to control their environment, and sometimes others, may be frequent.

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With Saturn and the Sun, there is much self-censoring going on. "I shouldn't.." is a common censoring mechanism with these people. They feel they shouldn't want too much. When they express egotism of any form, some part of them feels guilty. As the Sun rules our conscious mind, it does enough censoring on its own. It is the "adult" within us. Saturn, on the other hand, is more like the "parent" within us. We need parents to guide us when we are children, and to some degree as adults, but for the most part, we don't need to be censored indefinitely--something that seems to be the case with Saturn-Sun hard aspects, except that the censoring and parenting is coming from within....

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The whole artcle: http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/sunsaturnaspects.html

Now, you'll need to exam how much of this feeling of being led into unpleasent social situations is due to your own habits of censoring yourself (and then beating yourself up about it afterwards), that may be making it hard for you to assert yourself and be more self-possessed. Are you feeling like you're being too selfish or too self-centered by asserting yourself in personal relationships? You'll need to learn a balance there. All healthy relationships have boundaries, so setting boundaries is not inherently selfish. It's only selfish when you cannot make compromises. Being able to assert yourself and ask for what you need from others--as opposed to censoring oneself out of fear they "want too much"--is another thing you may need to confront. Your needs matter too.

Moon square Venus: Again from Cafe Astrology--

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Because these people value harmony, they may find themselves giving in to others too easily, especially in the first half of life. Resentment is possible, as they feel that they are the ones who seem to do all the acquiescing. There can be a distinct tendency to become friends (and lovers) with people too readily, simply because there is a strong need for approval and a hunger for receiving affection. As such, these people may get involved with people who seem to really like them, and they don't consider whether they actually like them back! It's somewhat of a weakness, as these people are very charmed by the idea that someone seems to really like them and appreciate them. Generally, one of life's lessons for these people is to learn to discriminate more and to get in touch with what they truly want and need. ....

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The full article here: http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/moonvenusaspects.html

That's a big lesson for you: to learn to appreciate your own needs and wants, and understand that you can develop relationships with people who appreciate and respect your own needs and wants.

This aspect is probably heightened by your Venus being in Pisces, and Pisces is the sign of self-sacrifice, which is good when you find the right people to be sacrificing yourself to. But sometimes you do it for the wrong people--people who don't give anything back. Pisces is prone to that: it wants to see the best in everyone and ignores looking at the bad. As someone with a Pisces placement (my Moon, in my case) squared another personal planet (Mercury, in my case), I have similar challenges myself--I like being liked. If someone acts like they like me and wants to hang out with me, I'm a little too eager to go along with them without considering what I need and want from such a friendship. Thus I can end up arond people who don't care about may needs and wants and expect me to just go along with them. As a yougner person, this tendency resulted in me finding myself in social situations that were pretty bad and toxic.

Again, learn to respect your own needs and wants, to say "no" and to set boundaries.

posted April 18, 2013 10:13 PM            

(I use Whole Sign Houses.)

You have Jupiter there, too, though.