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Ceridwen
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posted April 21, 2013 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was just checking for some celebrity couples for antiscia/ contrascia connections.
(I used celebrities cause they were in my databank.)

1) Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward
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her MC on the antiscion of his Pisces Moon - 1 degree (parallel)

her Uranus on the contrascion of his Pisces Uranus - 1 degree

her Sun on the contrascion of his Aries Mars - 1,5 degrees (contraparallel)

her Mars on the antiscion of his Saturn on 13 SCorpio exact

her Mercury on the antiscion of his Saturn - 2 degrees

(I prefer one and a half degree orbs, but extended it to 2 degrees for the checkup)


2) Pierre Curie - Marie Curie
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her NN on the antiscion of his Aries-Venus: 1 degree

her Vertex on the antiscion of his Jupiter on 24 Gemini exact (parallel)

her Jupiter on the antiscion of his Scorpio Moon exact (

her Venus-Saturn-conjunction on the contrascion of his Saturn: 2 degrees
(her Venus contraparallel his Saturn)

her DESC on the antiscion of his Saturn exact
(paralell)


3) Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barrett Browning
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her Neptune on the antiscion of his Antivertex exact

her Uranus on the antiscion of his NN exact
(parallel)

her Moon on the antiscion of his Pisces Pluto exact

her MC on the antiscion of his Venus on 1 Cancer exact

her Venus and Vertex widely on the cnotrascion of his Moon: a bit over 2 degrees
(her Vertex paralell his Moon)


4) Humphrey Bogart - Lauren Bacall
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her Pluto on the antiscion of his Pluto - 1 dgree

her Uranus on the antiscion of his Moon on 10 Libra exact

her Vertex on the antiscion of his Sun on 3 Capricorn exact (parallel)


5) Henry V and Catherine Valois
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(don`t ask me why they are in my database, please )

her Mars on the antiscion of his ASC - 1 degree

her DESC on the antiscion of his NN - 1 degree (parallel)

her Mercury on the exact antiscion of his Jupiter

her Venus on the contrascion of his Mercury - 2 degrees
(contraparalell)

her Venus on the exact contrasion of his Sun
(contraparallel)

her Neptune on the exact antiscion of his NN


other couples

a) my parents
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her VErtex on the antiscion of his Sun - 1 degree
(parallel)

her Mercury on the exact contrascion of his Pluto

her Venus on the antiscion of his NN - 2 degrees
(parallel)

her Venus on the contrascion of his Mars - 2 degrees

her Mars on the contrascion of his Neptune - 1 degree


b) friends of mine
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her Mercury on the antiscion of his ASC - 2 degrees
(meaning she puts his 7th house ruler onto his ASC per antiscia)


her Uranus on the antiscion of his SN - 1 degree
(parallel)

her Uranus on the contrascion of his chartruler Jupiter - 1 degree
(fitting - she is an Aquarius)


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posted April 21, 2013 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh yeah right.

Me and Mr. -go-to-synastry
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his Sun on the antiscion of my Mercury - 2 degrees

his NN and Jupiter on the very wide antiscion of my NN - 3 degrees (parallel)

his Vertex on the antiscion of my DESC - 1 degree
(parallel)

his Antivertex on the exact antiscion of my Mars on 24 Capricorn
(parallel)

his DESC on the antiscion of my Vertes - 1 degree
(parallel)

his Venus on the very exact contrascion of my Saturn: 001 - only one minute of orb!
(contraparallel)

his Saturn on the antiscion of my Saturn -2 degrees (parallel)


Me and Mr. I-am-not-intending-leaving-your-mind-any-time-soon
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his ASC on the exact antiscion of my MC
(parallel)

his Mercury on the antiscion of my Antivertex - 1 degree
(parallel)

his Saturn on the antiscion of my IC - 1 degrees
(widely parallel)

his Venus on the antiscion of my Mars - 1 degree (wide parallel)

his Pluto on the antiscion of my Jupiter - 2-3
(parallel)

his Sun and Neptune on the wide antiscion of my Venus - 3 degrees (his Sun parallel my Venus)

his Venus on the wide antiscion of my ASC - 3 degrees (parallel)

his Vertex on the antiscion of my IC - 2-3 degrees


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posted April 22, 2013 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since I was not familiar with the term antiscia/contrascia you made me go search for it Ceridwen.Thank you!


Aries antiscia is Virgo and vice versa.
Taurus antiscia is Leo and vice versa.
Gemini antiscia is Cancer and vice versa.
Libra antiscia is Pisces and vice versa.
Scorpio antiscia is Aquarius and vice versa.
Sagittarius antiscia is Capricorn and vice versa.

I got to ask you something. How do planets connected through an antiscion relationship play out in a natal chart?Planets that are say, in Taurus with planets that are in Leo.Do they conjunct?

*goingtohavetosearchmoreonthistopic*

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posted April 22, 2013 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are sometimes treated as conjunct, but imo that is not completely right.

they are reflective degrees, and so far I think, indicating a more hidden relationship between two planets.
comparing them to the conjunction/ opposition. With the conj./ opp. it is pretty overt how the other is the same or how they are different, and that they have qualities you lack and maybe are attracted to therefore (with the opposition).

With the antiscion/ contrasicion it is something that is going on beneath the surface; some traits you never even knew before that they were "completing" you (for a lack of better term, of course you are complete in yourself).
however, there is a strong fascination going on.

For me "under the surface conjunction/ opposition" would prbably the most descriptive term.

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posted April 22, 2013 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
example for antiscia:

10 Pisces = 20 libra
5 Aries = 25 Virgo etc.

You can also do an antiscia chart on astro.com

"First, display your chart. Then find in the URL where it says mth= followed by some letters and then a &. Now replace those letters before the & with mr, so that it reads mth=mr
Then press Enter.

The antiscia and contra-antiscia are not listed in the chart drawing, but you can find their positions in the additional tables."

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posted April 22, 2013 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ yeah, am going to have to do that on astro, antiscia/contrascia is beginning to sound a fascinating topic to me. I have a stellium in the 7th house, moon in the 6th,cancer,Jupiter in the 5th,Taurus. At times I feel so Jupiterian, I thought perharps it's because my Jupiter sextile my 7th house Leo sun,and Jupiter trine ASC.

Another question

In synastry, say a person's ASC is Taurus,in antiscia synastry relationship that person's ASC will be on my 7th house stellium. Is that correct?

Are there soulmate antiscia aspects as well?what do you think?

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posted April 22, 2013 03:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bumblebee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His sun is contrantiscion of my sun/moon midpoint. Does this mean something?

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posted April 22, 2013 03:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^"^ yeah, am going to have to do that on astro, antiscia/contrascia is beginning to sound a fascinating topic to me."
it is to me, too.

often conjunctions of planets to the Sun will coincide with parallels to the Sun.
the same is true for antiscia! Often a parallel of a planet with the Sun coincides with them being in antiscion relationship.
The reason for this is that the degree of antiscion reflects the path of the Sun; two planets in antiscion relationship are EQUIDISTANT from the solstice point, and therefore get the same amount of light or energy from the Sun. meaning their declination is the same.

this is always true for the placement of the Sun, the angles, nodal axis, Vertex (as these are directly calculated using the ecliptic, the path of the Sun).


For me an aspect analysis really has to start with identifying conjunctions/oppositions, parallel/contraparallel and antiscia/contrascia.


"In synastry, say a person's ASC is Taurus,in antiscia synastry relationship that person's ASC will be on my 7th house stellium. Is that correct?"
If your 7th house stellium is in Leo then Taurus will be the antiscion, yes.
however, we are really talking about "points/ moments" in time. So you would need to calculate the exact degrees.

If your Stellium was on 12-13 Leo, then an ASC on 17-18 Taurus would trigger/ activate this.
I wouldnt extend the orb too much though. 130 is my preferred orb, but sometimes I like to be reaching and using 3 degree orbs. But really, even I know, that I am reaching then. lol

The definition of antiscia is that two degrees are being equidistant from the solstice point, the standstill of the Sun. This standstill lasts for 3 days apparently, so I guess with an 130 orb we are on the safe side.


"re there soulmate antiscia aspects as well?what do you think?2
it`s only my opinion, but I think antiscia aspects (if within that orb) ARE soulmate aspects. Even more so if you have the same or complimentary planets "beholding" each other.

http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=antiscia+solstice+darrel&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.darrelyngunzburg.com%2FPDFs%2FAntisciaPoints_website.pdf&ei=q-t0Ue ruGrCk4AS3nIGQBA&usg=AFQjCNH-4Wf1auZdiaf6PB194UHsnrg3zQ&bvm=bv.45512109,d.Yms&cad=rja

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posted April 22, 2013 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay I got it from astro, am a little bit confused now

Antiscia

sun in Scorp 2814'27'' Taurus 2814'27
moon in sag 29 0'56" Gemini 29 0'56"
Mercury in Scorp 1821'26" Taurus 1821'26"
Venus in Scorp 1812'48" Taurus 1812'48"
Mars in Libra 1916'17" Aries 1916'17"
jupiter in aquarius 342'16" Leo 342'16"
saturn in scorp 24 5'43" Taurus 24 5'43"
Uranus in Leo 2653'21" Aquarius 2653'21"
Neptune in cancer 1834'38"Capricorn1834'38"
Pluto in Virgo 2043'26" Pisces 2043'26"
NN in Leo 2137' 5" Aquarius 2137' 5"
ASC Gemini 148' 9" Sag 148' 9"
MC Virgo 548'37" pisces 548'37"

Why is it that my ASC antiscia is Gemini? shouldn't it be sagitarius? what I am missing here?

The second page aka the Triggers looks intriguing..

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posted April 22, 2013 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you followed my suggestion, the table on astro.com gives you the antiscia AND contrascia (those are always opposite each other)
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posted April 22, 2013 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
this is my antiscia table:

[URL=http://s142.photobucket.com/user/Darkdreamer_02/media/antiscia_zps7273d1f8.jpg.html] [ /URL]


As a matter of fact in the first column the CONTRASCIA are listed, and the second column contains the ANTISCIA.

Antiscia are mirrored through the solstice points 00 Cap-00 Cancr.
Contrascia are mirrored through the equinox points 00 Aris - 00 Libra.

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posted April 22, 2013 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^^Ahhhh I got it! I got it! Thanks!

hehe..okay will have to study this some more now

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posted April 22, 2013 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok this is NO joke. Really NO joke.

His natal IC = 5'40 Cancer
His natal AC = 14'59 Aries

Compositie IC = 15'17 Virgo
Compositie AC = 24'26 Gemini

Really, life is too short to get it all, I swear.

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posted April 23, 2013 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mir:
Ok this is NO joke. Really NO joke.

His natal IC = 5'40 Cancer
His natal AC = 14'59 Aries

Compositie IC = 15'17 Virgo
Compositie AC = 24'26 Gemini

Really, life is too short to get it all, I swear.



OK, I think I found the mathematical reason for the antiscia outcome above.

I was thinking, well we must have *something* in common with our natal ANGLES (asc/desc/MC/IC) to get this outcome, although seemingly we have nothing in common between them. My search for something hidden.

So, a bit experimenting with the midpoints of AC/MC AC/IC etc. gave me this;

His AC/IC midpoint conjunct my MC (orb 0'24)
My DESC/MC midpoint = conjunct his ASC (orb 0'36)

And if you ask me; well, then what do *YOU* have in common then with that Composite Axis? It isn't logical if it's only him as both your natal axis involved.

Great question!

Let me see..

The Composite ASC/IC midpoint (DESC/MC is ofcourse the *far* midpoint) =

4,51 LEO! =

the ANTISCIA of my natal MC at 24'55 Taurus (orb 0'14)!

And the Composite ASC/MC midpoint at 4'51 Taurus is the ANTISCIA of his natal IC/DESC midpoint at 25'20 LEO! (0'11)

Pure math, what a complexity!

And man how frustrating that I don't get it-ALL! A big lack of astronomical insight also.

This could also underline how important the angles would be. Did I get my proof now? Almost

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posted April 23, 2013 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Holy cow, I had no idea that astro.com could show Antiscia placements!! Whoa!

And what on Earth does the table below represent? The one titled:

quote:
Triggers in 7 year rhythm according to Wolfgang Dbereiner (Munich)


But, back to antiscia, it makes so much sense - synastry wise! I have some very interesting connections with people who've played a major role in my life.

It's really cool

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posted April 23, 2013 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Antiscia
Mercury in Scorp 1821'26" Taurus 1821'26"
ASC Gemini 148' 9" Sag 148' 9"
MC Virgo 548'37" pisces 548'37"

Why is it that my ASC antiscia is Gemini? Shouldn't it be Sagittarius? What I am missing here?


I may be confused here, but you listed the Antiscia positions there, right? Not the natal up there (what I mostly omitted), right?

The Antiscion of your ASC is Cancer if it's Gemini otherwise. If I followed what Ceridwen and others said about how Astrodienst lists them (without checking myself), you have a Capricorn Ascendant then, right, if you're talking about Sagittarius for it?

The degrees are 0-29 so take away whatever your actual degree is from 29 and you'll get the Antiscia for it. In your Ascendant's case and working backwards it's 29 minus 1 so we'll get 28 Capricorn and then the minutes on top. The minutes you'd get by substracting what you have natally from 60 minutes, of course, so in your case it should be 60-48 and unless I seriously suck at math today, I'd say that's 12' left then. Well, okay, maybe it should be 0-59 there as well but it gets fiddly so I ignore that more so.

Ascendant should be 28 Cap 11'/12' then if you listed the Antiscia degrees in your post and I didn't misunderstand. I usually leave out the seconds but if it's something like 1d 48' 33" you obviously round it up to 1d49' and go from there.

Your Mercury comes via "29 minus 18" for the degrees, for example, so it should be around 11 degrees Leo. You'll know if it's closer to the 11th or 12th degree by minutes based on if your normal spot is under the halfway 30' or over it. It doesn't matter which way you come at it since you can always see the actual chart positions if you know the Antiscia as well as vice versa.

It's very easy to see them automatically as soon as you just remember which sign ties to which in antiscia sign, or solstice points, the other name for them. You may find it easier to work with them if you look at the chart circle in front of you, too, if you need a visual help at first. I'm sure there were also lists of how the numbers or degrees correlated to each other on sites out there, if you search for more info on them.

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posted April 23, 2013 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mir,

that is amazing! The connections between your angles. Wow!


"His AC/IC midpoint conjunct my MC (orb 0'24)
My DESC/MC midpoint = conjunct his ASC (orb 0'36)"!
Yes, if I am sure if tsomething is really symmetrical, I calculate midpoints. lol


"4,51 LEO! =

the ANTISCIA of my natal MC at 24'55 Taurus (orb 0'14)!"
wow! And so close in orb!


"This could also underline how important the angles would be."
I dfinitely think so.

well, in my case it is only my MC on the antiscion of his ASC.

However, I found something else that was interesting, though it does not relate to antiscia.

I have grown interested in Black Moon Lilith and its polarity point Priapus.

In this synastry my BML is exactly opposite his BML, and my BML is also conjunct his Priapus.
(my Priapus is quinkunx my BML and his Priapus, but not opposite).

Now, interestingly the midpoint of my BML/Priapus is conjunct composite Priapus, while the midpoint of his BML/Priapus is conjunct composite BML.

(we have another set of these, as my Sun/Moon is conjunct composite MOon and his Sun/Moon is conjunct composite Sun).

I love finding these things!

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posted April 23, 2013 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Doux Rve:
Holy cow, I had no idea that astro.com could show Antiscia placements!! Whoa!

And what on Earth does the table below represent? The one titled:


But, back to antiscia, it makes so much sense - synastry wise! I have some very interesting connections with people who've played a major role in my life.

It's really cool


I am happy it resonated with you.

No clue about the second page on astro.com though. It is from a certain astrology school, but I never looked into it. Besides it doesn`t ring a bell anyway (I checked the dates.

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posted April 24, 2013 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Keela

Thanks for the clarification!

Indeed, my ASC is 28 degrees Cap,so is my merc 11 degrees Leo.I'm beginning to understand it better.

Question:

How did you guys do antiscia synastry on astro?

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posted April 24, 2013 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am happy it resonated with you.

No clue about the second page on astro.com though. It is from a certain astrology school, but I never looked into it. Besides it doesn`t ring a bell anyway (I checked the dates.



Funny,it does to me...loads of stuff that happened started making sense when I was perusing the 2nd page..I related it some of it to Vedic mahadasas and stuff..

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posted March 05, 2015 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just been thinking of that

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posted March 05, 2015 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving to Interpersonal Astrology.

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