posted April 24, 2013 01:38 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
1. Can Neptune ever work positively?

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Of course. Neptune also rules imagination. I think when others speak of Neptune and illusion negatively, they may be speaking in terms of illusion having the upper hand and feeling confused and taken advantage of as a result. Einstein (a Pisces) once said "Imagination is more important than knowledge."

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2. Maybe this ties into Neptune afterall, but are there aspects that reveal people who get closure in their relationships, vs. people who don't? I never do, and wondered if that was a 7H thing or a astrologically unrelated symptom.

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posted April 24, 2013 01:40 AM            

Trines to Neptune can work positively and negatively but it's not the same sort of love like what you see with Venus. Neptune love is a bit more...extreme. It's more like what fans feel when they are in the presence of a celebrity, that screaming kind of love where they lose all sense of themselves and their eyes get sorta glazed over and they can only focus on the celebrity, not those around them. The "frenzy" effect is very Neptunian while the Venusian affect is a bit calmer, more aware of how the other is reacting. Neptune type love is kinda unaware of anything but itself.

Sextile is favorable but not as strong, still could have dual effects but not as negative as the tense ones. Then, there's the quintile and the bi-quintile which could be the best choice for aspects involving Neptune.

posted April 24, 2013 02:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
^^Starlight,may I ask you how do you think Neptune trining my 7th house stellium actually plays out for me?Because I really really feel my trines most that my mars square neptune tbh.

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You might see men differently than they really are, idealize them, maybe? It would affect the way you see the people around you. You have a soft spot for others but masculine type people can fool you into seeing them differently than how they really are.

I notice people with Neptune trines experience fortune in their lives but they also have a few problems as well. It's like they get the best of both worlds, sorta. My Aunt is a Pisces, with a chart full of Neptune trines and sextiles. She has a PhD and a pretty easy, comfortable life but she also has Neptune issues as well, especially health wise. She goes to the doctor, complaining of this and that and the doctor cannot diagnose what it is. Sounds like a Neptune issue. She also tends to spend a lot of her spare time in her own world which might be another dimension of Neptune. She is very idealistic and is dissatisfied with nearly everything. At least she is able to reap the benefits of the trines instead of experiencing the difficulties of Neptune without anything rewarding to compensate. Neptune gives her a really sympathetic personality and she is very academic and this has helped her a lot in life. People have a good opinion of her.

posted April 24, 2013 02:04 AM            

On a different note,which one do you think is easier to handle...sun,mercury,venus,saturn sq uranus or sun,mercury,venus,saturn sq neptune?

posted April 24, 2013 02:17 AM            

I have experienced sudden events in childhood but Uranus is not super afflicted in my chart. It does conjunct ascendant, Mercury, Jupiter, Pluto, so maybe all that counts?

posted April 24, 2013 02:26 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
So squares cloud the way others see us? So if I have Sun, Mercury and Venus square Neptune, but Moon TRINE Neptune then does that mean only females see me for how I really am? Or does it mean I'm just hard for others to pin down in general? Does anything positive stem from squares?

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Or, maybe not, because Neptune creates confusion. It's the planet of chaos.

For so long I was brainwashed and totally confused/naive/ in the dark about my childhood. My mother was able to create this alternate reality based entirely on denial and everyone who knew her was savvy except I never realized it so my psyche was jolted every time someone confronted me with the truth and it confused me so much, I just could not understand literally what they were saying which doesn't seem possible, but that's what strong Neptune energy is like. You hear words, they lose meaning.

posted April 24, 2013 02:31 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
You might see men differently than they really are, idealize them, maybe? It would affect the way you see the people around you. You have a soft spot for others but masculine type people can fool you into seeing them differently than how they really are.

I notice people with Neptune trines experience fortune in their lives but they also have a few problems as well. It's like they get the best of both worlds, sorta. My Aunt is a Pisces, with a chart full of Neptune trines and sextiles. She has a PhD and a pretty easy, comfortable life but she also has Neptune issues as well, especially health wise. She goes to the doctor, complaining of this and that and the doctor cannot diagnose what it is. Sounds like a Neptune issue. She also tends to spend a lot of her spare time in her own world which might be another dimension of Neptune. She is very idealistic and is dissatisfied with nearly everything. At least she is able to reap the benefits of the trines instead of experiencing the difficulties of Neptune without anything rewarding to compensate. Neptune gives her a really sympathetic personality and she is very academic and this has helped her a lot in life. People have a good opinion of her.

That's just an example of how Neptune in good aspect can manifest. The square to Mars is more challenging and you might notice deception of some kind or perhaps your standards are unrealistically high? It can affect your energy levels as well, zap your confidence. Basically, Neptune softens and sometimes dissolves all it touches in the chart, so your Mars is much less potent than it would be without Neptune.

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TBH Starlight, I don't trust men. Period.
I don't really want to go into it, let's just say I have had issues with my father..I don't idealize men..I idealize how I view Love...I believe in true pure perfect life lasting love..at the same time I know I won't have it..because there is no such thing as pure perfect life lasting love..I'm more in love with the idea of being in love than being in love with a guy..if that makes any sense..I'm deeply disappointed when the guy in question doesn't live up to my standards of love..so,true, I'm unrealistic...I associate it with neptune..BUT BUT I would never leave a guy/end a relationship based on my unrealistic love ambitions.

posted April 24, 2013 02:44 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hannaramaa:
[b]So squares cloud the way others see us? So if I have Sun, Mercury and Venus square Neptune, but Moon TRINE Neptune then does that mean only females see me for how I really am? Or does it mean I'm just hard for others to pin down in general? Does anything positive stem from squares?

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Or, maybe not, because Neptune creates confusion. It's the planet of chaos.

For so long I was brainwashed and totally confused/naive/ in the dark about my childhood. My mother was able to create this alternate reality based entirely on denial and everyone who knew her was savvy except I never realized it so my psyche was jolted every time someone confronted me with the truth and it confused me so much, I just could not understand literally what they were saying which doesn't seem possible, but that's what strong Neptune energy is like. You hear words, they lose meaning.

It's good to have the trine because it gives you a way out of the squares. You can use the energy positively in your life. What the moon symbolizes is the way to channel it. The squares are still there but you learn to deal with them in a way that becomes beneficial. Moon would mean you are receptive and people react in a positive way to this. [/B][/QUOTE]

you know what,there was something I was thinking about the other day, about my father..the sun represents the father..sun trine neptune..moon represents the mother..moon sq pluto...I believe my mother manipulated me to believe that my father is a horrendous person,created an alternate reality that will only show her as the victim ..not only did I believe it I was 100% into this reality,emotionally,mentally..and NOW when the veil is finally lifted I realized just HOW bloody much I idealized my mom even though she was hurting us..it's hard to come back to that reality..I associate this experience to neptune even though it's a soft aspect,I can't even imagine how hard aspects feel like..yeah I much rather deal with pluto/uranian squares, becaus neptune eats at you at a psychological,emotional level that is not easily perceived. Only to tell you, that even though Neptune trine my 7th house stellium the real most devastating experience in my life with a neptunian decor(lol) was not with guys(romantic involvements).Is it because Cancer(my 7th house) is the natural 4th house?

posted April 24, 2013 02:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:

TBH Starlight, I don't trust men. Period.
I don't really want to go into it, let's just say I have had issues with my father..I don't idealize men..I idealize how I view Love...I believe in true pure perfect life lasting love..at the same time I know I won't have it..because there is no such thing as pure perfect life lasting love..I'm more in love with the idea of being in love than being in love with a guy..if that makes any sense..I'm deeply disappointed when the guy in question doesn't live up to my standards of love..so,true, I'm unrealistic...I associate it with neptune..BUT BUT I would never leave a guy/end a relationship based on my unrealistic love ambitions.

Could it be,Starlight, that men views me differently to what I truely am and feel disappointed when they see the real me?For instance, I'm perceived as sexual when I'm not a sexual person at all.

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Neptune is all about unrealistically high standards and larger than life dreams so it's no surprise someone who has many planets aspecting Neptune would have high standards. I am in love with the idea of love too, but I think of it as simply being spiritual since I equate spirituality with ideals, even though some might say it's about faith, exclusively. For me it's about ideals, thoughts, dreams, and the unseen realms more than faith.

It's true, Neptune can mean trust issues as well. Negatively, it seems to distort perception so one becomes mistrustful or paranoid. Neptune rules the irrational element of the psyche. This could have something to do with idealizing men, meaning you expect them to be better and when they aren't, you become disillusioned and Neptune rules that state as well. Disenchantment, disillusionment. So, you just become disgusted with men because you have this vision of what an ideal man is like and you don't think the men you come in contact with are anything like this ideal. I am the same way about people in general and I have this disillusionment with mankind which feeds into my spirituality. You should be disgusted with people who are rotten but not everyone is. Neptune can mean lumping everyone together into one cluster so you don't become aware of their individual characteristics. Perhaps it has a connection to psychological stereotyping as a defense mechanism. It does rule psychology. Everyone just becomes a giant blob lacking any details (Neptune doesn't like detail.) It's kinda like "me versus them" mentality.

The first house is supposedly how people see you, so Neptune inside or aspect to this house or planets would mean people do not see you for who you really are, you can fool them. MC is also about how others see you, so an aspect to this by Neptune would mean people, as in the general public, do not really see you for who you are. You could have a job acting or wearing a costume of some sort, or as a writer, something not seen by many people, or, you could have a Neptune type career.

In synastry, if you know a man and Neptune in one of your charts aspects certain points or planets in the other, maybe this could explain why your motives are misinterpreted?

posted April 24, 2013 02:56 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
So squares cloud the way others see us? So if I have Sun, Mercury and Venus square Neptune, but Moon TRINE Neptune then does that mean only females see me for how I really am? Or does it mean I'm just hard for others to pin down in general? Does anything positive stem from squares?

@Jessica - I don't know what Venus square Uranus would be like, but I would much rather have it than Neptune. I feel Uranus aspects display themselves in a much more forthright and quicker fashion than Neptune which is the fog that takes forever to dissolve or come to light.

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posted April 24, 2013 03:06 AM            

The placement of a man's Venus indicates what type of women he fantasizes.Right? Wouldn't a venus sq neptune natally contribute to being attracted to a neptune in a 7th house or neptune dominated 7th house aspects wise?

posted April 24, 2013 03:15 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
^Jessica... are you ME? Seriously!

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posted April 24, 2013 03:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
@ Starlight

The placement of a man's Venus indicates what type of women he fantasizes.Right? Wouldn't a venus sq neptune natally contribute to being attracted to a neptune in a 7th house or neptune dominated 7th house aspects wise?

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Let's see. The man has a certain expectation about love and romance (Venus square Neptune) so he is looking for a woman who meets this while the woman with a seventh house Neptune connection sees others as being Neptunian.