posted April 25, 2013 07:47 AM            

REASON: Save for an Aquarius Saturn, there's no air in my chart. Air is communication and Saturn the planet of blockage. My parents initially thought I was dumb and deaf cause it took me 1 point something year to talk. Now, I'm talkative but talking on a one to one basis is something that I'm still not comfortable with. I'm cool with public speaking though.

My friend has 7H Sun partile conjunct Mercury in Virgo and his communication skills are impressive! Traditionally, when a planet is cazimi, it's very powerful. On the other hand, combustion,i.e. conjunct with 8 degrees, is said to be a debility and weakens the planet as in my dad's case
who has Gemini Sun conjunct Mercury in the 1st. His communication skills are average.

I know a lot of people with mercury in one sign and sun in the other and they're all average, in my opinion.

posted April 25, 2013 09:43 PM            

detrimental aspects, houses, signs, exalted house, sign, not to mention decanate/duad, positive aspects, perhaps dominance.

I have Mercury just shy of the Capricorn AP, and my Sun near the end of the 3rd, final decan. Same sign, sure...

Mercury is then ruled by Saturn in Scorpio in the 3rd house for me, but the aspect between the two is a fairly tight semisquare. (So, I get a bit panicky and self critical about my writing/oration prowess or lack thereof.)

Mercury is my chart ruler, and dominant planet though, ruling my NN/MC of Gemini (10th), and conjunct the ruler of my DSC as well as 3rd house and co-dominant Jupiter. Mercury may be in the same sign as my sun but it is in the house of Sagittarius, 4th. Pro/cons - it is in a slightly debilitated state being in Sagittarius house, but falls in Capricorn duad of Capricorn duad - Capricorn sitting on the 5th house cusp, (Saturn in Scorpio 3rd (Aries duad/Pisces decan), but again, though minor, meets with a negative aspect). By natural house influence - 3rd house is ruled by Gemini, having the ruler of my Mercury (Sautur) under the 3rd house may help to counter some of the teeter-totter of the semisquare they share. Plus, it depends on who rules who, since Mercury is my chart ruler. (btw Mercury is considered exalted in Virgo, the best funnel for Mercurial energies is in that sign, though it is naturally domicile in Gemini, it is not exalted, just sayin'. Gemini Mercury has a "secondary exalted position between the 7th and 10th degrees of the Gemini decan, Mercury is exalted by house in the 6th, domicile by house in the 3rd. NN is traditionally also ruled by Gemini/Mercury, perhaps there are also strengths there for contacts between them.)

I am "virtually" void of air. (discounting duads; though I do have a good number of Libra/Aqua duads hit by node/planet and a plethora of asteroids/bodies in my 6th house ruled by Aquarius) I only have three natal "points" in air. Vertex in 5th house Aquarius (5th ruled by Capricorn - Uranus in 4th house Sagittarius), and North Node in the 10th house (MC*) in Gemini. By traditional house order, I have Cancer on the 11th although nothing resides there, 3rd house ruled by Scorpio is my 2nd dominant house with 3 planets, and my DSC node in the 7th (Pisces). (So while there is no /air/ in the chart, I do like to look a bit deeper, otherwise my mysterious ability to write at length, learn dialects, languages, and speak rapidly with equal zeal to my writing, would be incomprehensible, given the minimal influence of air being seen in the "obvious" natal positions... So, I'm not as much an air void as I appear on first sight.

You can have a relatively weak or supposedly great Mercury placement by aspect or position, on first glance, but then end up questioning why then, that you have trouble in debating, discussing, expressing, intellectualizing the way those placements read that you should... why maybe you seem to be "different than the descriptions" you find elsewhere... this is usually where those differences shine through, not in the obvious analysis but in the breakdown of the entire chart... ~__~;

Mercury is the superior planet in my chart (along with Jupiter). Mercury contacts every ruler except for my Sun (ruling the 12th) & Uranus (ruling 6th) directly by a minor or major aspect (mostly major). (tight sextile to Mars (ruler of 8th) and Pluto ruler of 3rd, conjunctions of barely a degree to the ruler of my dominant sign/house/codominant planet of Jupiter, and DSC ruler Neptune, aspect to ASC/DSC nodes slightly wide, applying. Venus-SN/NN by quindecile, Saturn by semisquare, and Moon by biquintile).

Mercury in Capricorn may be a bit of a stodgy placemeent by generic assessment. But, it really does (to me, seem to) depend on a lot of these very things that aren't looked into by all too many (maybe even known to them). A Cap Mercury with their ruling sign in Leo's natural house even with Mercury falling into Cancer's natural house will still have a touch of these signs about their Mercury (other placement/s), Mercury ruled by Capricorn but under Sagittarius house rule, also displays some of those Centaurian freedoms (or tactlessness ^^; ugh no comment). lol

So, just being away/nearer the Sun to me doesn't always determine the better position for Mercury or better functioning Mercury, so much as these other little tricks to deciphering planetary influences and dominions, and strengths/hurdles.

A Mercury in Capricorn 3rd decan, Virgo duad with Sun in Virgo decan as well (3rd), in the 3rd house, and lots of (applying) aspects to their Mercury (making it of some dominance), and placements in the sign/houses/duads of Gemini/Virgo - this person may be more Virgo-Geminin-Mercurial than Capricorn by far... But, you can have a Pisces Mercury (considered fall), still having strong conjunctions like Uranus, (usually considered a higher vibration of Mercury, or having it fall into the 3rd, 6th, or 11th house, for that matter, having mostly positive aspects to other planets in exalted/domicile duad (or house) even when ruled by earth/water - they still bring in some of those natural Mercurial beneficial energies to that person.

I don't think I've ever seen someone with perfectly placed Mercury before... and more often I see Mercuries with a lot more "harsh" aspects coming from these places, to be honest. But, I'm sure these people exist too~ ^^; Every planet in my chart has at least one negative aspect (degree), most have "invisible" squares (duad/decan/house-house).
But, for me the purpose of someone having a negative (or loads of them) is to help them grow during this lifetime, all signs are under constant evolution, to me those with more harsh aspects have greater potential to moe further in that lifetime~ so to me... harsh aspects are blessings in disguise.

(My son has such a complicated Mercury placement 42* separation to his Aries Sun, both in the 9th house (naturally ruled by Sagittarius, therefore by sign and house both natal and traditional - debilitated placement.) He was first diagnosed as being severely speech delayed at the age of 4. He missed out on early junior kindergarten, and was only this past summer diagnosed with mild autism. YET - he has very influential positive aspects elsewhere involving his Mercury, including a tight conjunction to Uranus (and North Node), and their ruling houses, as well as quindecile to the IC-Moon/MC-Sun axis, and sextile with Venus in Taurus in the 10th ruling his 11th (naturally ruled by Aquarius/Uranus) (His Mercury in Pisces, falls on the Virgo duad, "secondary exalt" in debilitated sign though, bringing out a need for balance of each signs gifts/traits). His mind functions in a different way than many of his peers, allowing him to communicate rather well spontaneously, he doesn't "appear" (ASC in Leo Ses) to be able to express himself the way that is expected or the way he wants sometimes. But, what he lacks in verbal communication, he makes up for in creative expression, and for all his delay, he's managed to rebound in the past year to being nearly caught up to his peers verbally, and excelling them with literacy/written communication and through the use of technology. He's extremely gifted, as it turns out (and many autistic children have these odd, sometimes surprisingly charming abilities), he is capable of performing multiple tasks at once with ease, but verbally explaining the way he achieves these feats are beyond him, and sometimes, like with other autistic children/parents - it can be frustrating, sometimes frightening... but, when you look at their charts, astrologically there are explanations for these gifts, right there! He's the same age as my youngest nephew, (a Taurus Sun, no delays), except for speech pattern, my son is actually years ahead of both the younger nephew and his older brother (8 years old, Cancer Sun) in literacy/computer literacy, socially they behave the same in most ways, (maturity being another factor). The influence of higher vibrational Mercury, Uranus - in his chart as well as overcoming the hurdles littered about his chart give him a potential outlet for overcoming and exceeding instead of failing or falling behind, it just takes effort, and involvement/concentration on the positive aspects, utilizing those to their fullest; with the positives the negatives become less and less afflicting overall.

I don't feel that it is the distance between his Sun and Mercury (or anyone's) that may cause complications with speech or communication in general, but it does seem to have more to do with the other given aspects/placements, event he less evident or those with relatively wide orb.

This is just my understanding or ideas here~
^^; (Hopefully, this will be understood, I wrote it in a bit of a hurry - ^^; Mercury semisquare - self-doubting one's proficiency in communicating in action. lol I haven't much time to devote to editing lately. - I enjoyed looking at Solar-Mercury connections in a different way, and thank you for proposing this idea; I'd never even considered it before, so yeah!) <3 *tralalaUranus transits are fun* XD *chaosmachine*

posted April 26, 2013 12:27 AM            

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Originally posted by magicspells:
sun conjunct mercury in virgo in the 11th house. 5 degree orb.

My communications skills aren't the best but I'm working on it

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posted April 26, 2013 06:39 AM            

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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
Same here. I believe the farther away from the Sun, the better. The conjunction to me is more about thinking and analyzing than talking. Sun conjunct Mercury in Virgo (4 deg)

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I agree, it is definitely more about mercury in the mental introverted sense. Honestly Im kind of annoyed about this, wish I had an easier time expressing myself especially since my mercury/sun conjunction is in it's own sign of Virgo, in a stellium with JUPITER of all planets .. and in the 11th house which is a f*cking AIR house!!!

posted April 26, 2013 03:43 PM            

The degrees between Sun and Mercury don't matter, in my opinion.

Actually, it is said that it's better to have Mercury placed before the Sun because it makes it easier to react in a rational, objective way and not just in a subjective, selfish way.
Whereas if you have Sun conjunct Mercury, there can be too much self-analysis and thoughts and communication in general tend to revolve around the "self". Ideas & thoughts tend to become a crucial part of our self to the point that if someone opposes our opinion, we may feel personally attacked and our ego is threatened.

posted April 27, 2013 04:12 AM            

Pisces Sun at 5 degrees
Aquarius Mercury at 9 degrees

posted April 29, 2013 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by ayujegeg:
I heard that the more far your mercury is from the sun the harder is to use the energy for communication and to express your self.

For example, would it be harder to communicate if Sun is in 15 degrees Scorpio, Mercury is in 7 degrees Sagittarius?

On the other than, you would be able to communicate easier if Sun is in the same sign as Mercury or conjunct?

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posted May 03, 2013 03:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

Whereas if you have Sun conjunct Mercury, there can be too much self-analysis and thoughts and communication in general tend to revolve around the "self". Ideas & thoughts tend to become a crucial part of our self to the point that if someone opposes our opinion, we may feel personally attacked and our ego is threatened.

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This.

posted May 03, 2013 03:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Kibriana:

I read somewhere that Sun conjunct Mercury people identify themselves with their speach and express their personality by talking (I am therefore I talk about who and what I am).

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I've read something similar:

I think, therefore I am.

Or,

I am what I think.

posted May 03, 2013 03:20 AM              

I think with the boom of the internet it's resulted in a lot of people who have an exaggerated sense of their importance in general, no matter their astrological placements - it's something about the act of just being able to join a site and see your words/videos/whatever "published"/posted out there in cyberspace for the whole world to view...plus factor in how so many of these sites are basically geared towards thinking about yourself - Twitter, "What did YOU do or what do YOU think...in 100 characters or less"; Facebook and MySpace "See how many people you can get to be your 'friend' and validate yourself with that and your faux-popularity; Post up every picture and detail of YOUR life because everybody must wanna see it...right?".