posted April 26, 2013 01:47 AM            

In fact Scorpio is more than any other sign (except for Capricorn girls) to be a hated outcast in society.

Even though Aquarius is traditionally the Sign of Rebelliousness as is its ruling Planet Uranus, its incredibly rare to see Aquarius so hated for being nonconformist. If anything Aquaris are rather beloved and popular despite hating social norms.

I know from personal experience and from being a Scorpio Dominant and Scorpio Ascendant firsthand the experience of the much outcasted hated Scorpio.

I'm not going to share my experiences publicly on the forum but Doomlord knows some of them (mainly involving Patriotism and the Military).

In fact I can name so many Scorpios who were major outcasts in society (or at least within their social circles).

Napoleon was looked down upon by contemporary soldiers before his rise to power and he was a Scorpio Ascendant. No need to explain more about Napoleon.

Martin Luther (Protestant Reformation).

Marcel Bigeard was much hated by most Officers in the French Army except for those under in his Paratroop battalions (who loved him) and fellow Paratroopers and soldiers out in the field (who respected him). Marcel was a Spartan Disciplinarian of the most kind and unlike other officers he shared the same hardships of his men, kept himself in tip top shape as ideal for a Paratrooper, and even was directly on the battlefield with his soldiers WITHOUT a WEAPON in hand.Marcel had a Scorpio Ascendant.

Katharine Hepburn was rather an unpopular and scrutinized by the media during much of her career esp. in the 1930s because she refused to conform tot he ideal norms of a Movie Star (wear lots of make up in public, act feminine and docile, and so). She was fiery about feminism and individualistic. When Linda Goodman's Sun Signs was published, she was listed under "Famous Scorpio Personalities" and indeed she was originally thought to be a Scorpio. However new discovery of birth records revealed her as a Double Taurus (but she had a Scorpio Ascendant so its not too far).

Margaret Mitchell (author of Gone With the Wind) was a Scorpio with a Moon in Gemini and she was TRULY a despised and ostracized outcast for being way ahead of her time as she disregarded social conventions required for a Southern Belle and was a radical feminist. She was refused entry into the High Class of Atlanta's Society. Easily the best example of outcasted nonconformist Scorpio Personality.

As far as fictions go, Rhett Butler (created by Margaret Mitchell) while lacking birth information,is MOST DEFINITELY a Scorpio Ascendant and probably a Scorpio Dominant. He was so outcasted in his home town Charleston that his family disowned him and no respectable family in Charleston dare welcome him. To be fair he was a cheat and nasty criminal who murdered several people for fun.

But much of his ostracization occurred at his vocalness about hows stupid Southern Conventions were-especially its emphasis on honor and its treatment of women as inferior creatures with no brains. And more importantly at the naivety and stupidity of Confederate Soldiers who fought and died for the cause.

I immediately sense a Scorpio vibe when he was introduced in at the BBQ Party at Ashley's and as the story went on I have no doubt he's a Scorpio Ascendant even though they never reveal birth information (I immediately saw all those Scorpio traits I have). It makes more sense as Margaret Mitchell partially modeled him after her first husband who was a Lunar Scorpio.

I can put so many more example.

Just read this.

But this is so strange because Aquarius is considered the sign of revolution. Esp. against social norms. But Aquarius rarely get outcasted!

Is it because of Aquarius humanitarian and egalitarian nature?

Do Scorpios get outcasted because of their aggressive and mocking behavior towards people who follow the Social norms and Conventions that they believe is absolutely #@(!ing STUPID? And the fact they have no remorse about saying VERY HURTFUL things?

I think being as tough as nails also play a major role in this-specifically Marcel Bigeard who was actually rather temperamental and quiet for a Scorpio personality. His Dominant Sign is Aquarius and he's an Aquarius himself. But despite actually being the quiet one I guess the fact he's proven to be a hardened stoic soldier who trained as a Spartan envoked jealousy among the other French officers who were mostly fat and lazy in their office eating luxurious French food like fancy Cheese and bread while their troops were out on the field fighting and dying. My memory is fuzzy but I know of quiet Scorpio who still somehow managed to get hated (because they show such a Disciplined tough personality that others get jealous off).

It seems Scorpio suits the mold more for what we think of "Rebels" than Aquarius does.

posted April 26, 2013 05:44 AM            

I think Scorpios are often demonised because of both fear of them, and simple misunderstanding. I am actually respected by my work colleagues for my insights, so am not often demonised, unless the stubborn opinionated Scorpio side decides to take over for whatever reason!

What people often seem to forget is that the Scorpio is not just the miserable scorpion that goes around stinging people. It is also the Eagle, and ultimately the Phoenix, it's highest expression. These are the deeply wise Scorps that acutely understand karma. They have traversed the depths and are very wise. Compassion and even forgiveness come through.

It is often said that being born a Scorpio results in a life of either great spiritual advancement, or the complete opposite!

posted April 26, 2013 07:43 AM            

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Originally posted by ScorpAqua:
Gosh this is a long post! I'm a sun Scorpio and moon Aquarius with both signs dominant. These two energies do not always blend well, but the energies stabilise with age and wisdom.

I think Scorpios are often demonised because of both fear of them, and simple misunderstanding. I am actually respected by my work colleagues for my insights, so am not often demonised, unless the stubborn opinionated Scorpio side decides to take over for whatever reason!

What people often seem to forget is that the Scorpio is not just the miserable scorpion that goes around stinging people. It is also the Eagle, and ultimately the Phoenix, it's highest expression. These are the deeply wise Scorps that acutely understand karma. They have traversed the depths and are very wise. Compassion and even forgiveness come through.

It is often said that being born a Scorpio results in a life of either great spiritual advancement, or the complete opposite!

One thing I strongly believe is this. The universe has entrusted the Scorpio or Scorpio dominant to make the best of progress in this lifetime. Do not waste a minute, not a single minute of that incredible intensity on too much negativity. Fly like the Eagle you are, and embody that Phoenix. People will love and respect you tenfold. You will no longer be that repulsive energy anymore, but a transforming, healing soul.

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I also forgot to mention I am an Aquarius Dominant in addition. Scorpio Dominates 14.4% Aquarius 14% and only my Pluto(in Scorpio) 17.7% leads to Scorpio Domination though my Saturn (In Aquarius) is third dominant planet 13.1%

All in all I'm a Scorpio-Aquarius Dominant like you are.

I totally recognized both the Aquari and Scorpio in your post and you pretty much speak what I know of both signs.

I do have to ask whats the difference between Eagle and Phoenix?

Most Astrologers put the three Stages as:

posted April 26, 2013 08:54 AM            

Yes I've heard of many different symbolisms for Scorpio. The one that resonates for me is the scorpion, Eagle and Phoenix. But each to their own, as I do not wish to impose my view on anyone.

From my understanding of the Eagle symbolism, it's the stage where the Scorpio dominant takes a step back from power playing, and deliberately causing emotional torment to other people for the sake of feeling power over others (and let's be honest, this is cruel and nasty behaviour). This type of Scorp instead steps back a little and starts observing more, like the eagle in the sky. They observe more and judge less. However, unlike the Phoenix, the Eagle still hunts its prey occasionally (ie. still plays power games from time to time).

This is just my opinion, but I think that the Aqua Scorp combination gives us a certain 'advantage' when it comes reaching Phoenix level. This is because the Phoenix embodies a level of emotional detachment and calmness, as well as a non-judgemental attitude towards other people. Perhaps other air sign influence can also help here too.

posted April 26, 2013 11:10 AM            

Aquarius is co-ruled by Saturn, which obviously lends a stabilizing influence. In my experience, their talent for standing out is only equaled by their talent for blending in, in whatever crowd they may be placed. They seem to have a genius for finding common ground, and will not disdain small talk, since they see it as a launchpad into more exalted conversation. Scorpios, if they open their mouths, tend to go right for the meat, and don't even stop at the marrow.

posted April 26, 2013 06:47 PM            

Being a Scorp rising, I'm used to being an outcast, second nature, having a lot of taurus influences on the other side helps me though because when I want to be, I can be quite sociable and the opposite, bi-polar influence in my chart

It is said that no Scorp rising is an unevolved soul (whether that's true or not, I don't know, the only Scorpio rising person apart from me I know is my mother) and being an evolved soul comes more challenges, being bumped up in the karma level, harsher lessons.

Anyone with heavy Scorpio influences will be very reserved as well which makes it hard in this day and age because the world likes the "life of the party" whereas we just stand back and evaluate before jumping in

posted April 27, 2013 10:58 AM            

I also have Aqua Mars, MC and N. Node. So feeling like I fit in...I go though my ups and downs.

posted April 28, 2013 02:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
I haven't noticed this with Scorpios at all. They tend to self-isolate but they ARE sought-after.

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posted April 29, 2013 07:58 PM            

I read that in many charts of bullied people, Pluto is very prominant...in the BULLIED not the bullys. Pluto is all about POWER.

With my 1st house Pluto, I notice people think of me in terms of extremes, when really, I am just holding up a mirror for them to see Pluto within themselves. Either I am the "loser" or I am too "egotistical". It's like having a bright light shining on you in every social situation, people notice you. And BULLYS will sniff me out a mile away. Because people like that have their own issues regarding self empowerment, Pluto people become their scapegoat. This can be very detrimental to the Pluto people in terms of their course of life. It can be very disheartening not to know why people perceive you in such a way, you don't know what you did to bring it on to yourself, or why other people believe you deserve it. I feel that I constantly am told "you are too this, you are too that..." then the other extreme "you are not enough this, not enough that."

I wish a lot that I didn't feel so misunderstood socially.

posted April 29, 2013 08:54 PM            

Retaliate. Withhold for power. Withhold as a means of punishment. And, they can be incredibly stubborn (fixed sign). Some will sooner burn with loss and regret then admit they are wrong.

My boyfriend is a Scorpio. He broke up with me out of fear of being controlled and repeating past relationship patterns despite the fact I wasn't controlling him....only holding healthy established boundaries he thought he could break and I am NOT his friggin ex. Still, totally in love with me, mind you. And, I still in love with him. He proceeded to take to his bed, pine, and lose weight and get behind in work rather then let go of his self righteous anger and ego for two months. The only reason we got back together....I contacted him because he was pulling through our connection (I am a Cancer, it is ridiculous) and I texted him and he told me he was losing his mind.

Ego and control trip. The unevolved Scorpios (and the ones tripping over themselves in their evolution process) created this fear. It isn't an undeserved reputation.

Now, I have a Scorpio rising myself and a Jupiter in Scorpio and a moon in the eight house, so don't think I am all hating on the Scorps. I am madly in love with my Scorp and I know he acts out of his extreme vulnerability and fear. But, it doesn't negate those of us with heavy Scorp energy need to take responsibility for our actions, get over our pride and ego, and risk emotionally, at the very least EQUAL to what a partner will risk.

My guy was so sweet that when the sting came, it felt like petting a puppy and having it turn into a snake. It is only because I never stopped loving him and held out my hand for him to move out of his self imposed prison we are together. Now, he trusts me. I think he needed to behave at his absolute worse and see me still standing there to trust me.

Hated outcast? Scorpios cast themselves the outcast, not other people. And, hated. People can get angry, if you sting them in the heart!

posted April 29, 2013 11:00 PM            

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Originally posted by stellar_moon:
I have Pluto in the 1st house at 29 deg Libra, so almost in Scorpio. I also have Saturn and Mars in Scorpio, and this Lunar Eclipse just conjucted my 1st house Pluto.
I read that in many charts of bullied people, Pluto is very prominant...in the BULLIED not the bullys. Pluto is all about POWER.

With my 1st house Pluto, I notice people think of me in terms of extremes, when really, I am just holding up a mirror for them to see Pluto within themselves. Either I am the "loser" or I am too "egotistical". It's like having a bright light shining on you in every social situation, people notice you. And BULLYS will sniff me out a mile away. Because people like that have their own issues regarding self empowerment, Pluto people become their scapegoat. This can be very detrimental to the Pluto people in terms of their course of life. It can be very disheartening not to know why people perceive you in such a way, you don't know what you did to bring it on to yourself, or why other people believe you deserve it. I feel that I constantly am told "you are too this, you are too that..." then the other extreme "you are not enough this, not enough that."

I wish a lot that I didn't feel so misunderstood socially.

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I thought it be the other way around. That Scorpios/Scorpio Ascendants/Scorpio Dominants would be the CRUEL BULLIES most of the time (especially the Unevolved ones) and any "Bullying" they experience is not so much they are being bullying but either they are engaging in a pointless feud or they are actually bullying someone else and merely are complaining to authorities or others to manipulate the situation to their advantage and make it seem like they are the innocent victim.

I bet you have done things that have brought bullying upon yourself. Chances are you were brutally nasty towards social conventions or you got a silly feud out of context and turned it much bigger an issue than it actually is.

Hey I received bullying too but I admit that most of these "bullying" I was just being as vicious and cruel as those who tried to hurt me and if anything I was actually the guilty party here as I both not only retaliated with over-excessive force but I also held a grudge for INCREDIBLY LONG PERIODS that would be insane.

Very rarely was I being bullied for no reason and most times I either RUDELY bashed current social conventions such as religion, I make unnecessarily hurtful comments, or I was being bullied as part of a rather silly prank but I took it out of proportion and I used more forced than necessarily and held a ridiculous grudge(harass a guy for weeks for a pointless comment like "your favorite show sucks" and pushing a girl because she doesn't like me,etc).

I would say this is pretty much the case.

In the inverse, the noble Evolved Scorpios/Scorpio Ascendants/Scorpio Dominants are bullied or outcasted for being too mature and disciplined as seen int he case of Marcel Bigeard (though this type of Scorpios often have loyal followers because of their virtuous disciplined personalities as Marcel did).

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Originally posted by rosedl:

Scorpio's STING.

Retaliate. Withhold for power. Withhold as a means of punishment. And, they can be incredibly stubborn (fixed sign). Some will sooner burn with loss and regret then admit they are wrong.

Ego and control trip. The unevolved Scorpios (and the ones tripping over themselves in their evolution process) created this fear. It isn't an undeserved reputation.

Hated outcast? Scorpios cast themselves the outcast, not other people. And, hated. People can get angry, if you sting them in the heart!

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posted April 30, 2013 09:37 AM            

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Originally posted by MorteImperator:
[b]AMEN BABY. All what you said goes hand in hand with what I stated in this latest post (read above).[/B]

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see what I mean? "Chances are you did do something to bring it on yourself"
That's exactly what people would say.

No. I have ascendant and pluto in Libra. I have never been a bully in my entire life. In fact, if anything, I have stood up for people who are bullied. You seem to be only looking at the Shadow side of scorpio. Pluto is about Power YES but, the WEAK people attack the strong and to have TRUE power doesn't mean you have to manipulate other people to get that. I have had a woman befriend me only because she wanted to stalk and harass me. My b/f left me for her..my bf and I share a son together so we are connected that way. She hates me for it. I never caused a stink when they got together, I moved on with my life, but for whatever reason, she still hates me.

posted April 30, 2013 07:35 PM            

The scorpio suns I know are very popular, and I can see why. No sign is more loyal, loving and warm. However, they tend to be very sensitive and somewhat paranoid about people.

To take a bad example maybe, Charles Manson is a scorpio wityh moon in aqua. He´s very loved by lots of people even though his character can be questioned. Scorpios seem to have a charisma, almost supernatural contact with the spirit in them selves and people in general, and so they posess healing qualities and this is basically one of humanites greatest needs - to heal their inner wounds. So in a way, scorpio is the most sought after, but they self isolate because most people are not nearly ready for the kind of energy scorpio people give out.