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Topic: Is Synastry Sometimes Irrelevant?
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Odette Knowflake Posts: 1903 From: Registered: May 2012
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posted April 28, 2013 12:12 AM
"When a person has issues that are not controlled, it doesn’t matter what the synastry is about. Nothing in astrology will help that situation except that person getting their issues managed" http://newwayastrology.tumblr.com/post/6944115659/synastry-tips quote:
Synastry Tips Here are a few equations: 1 person with unmanaged issues + 1 person with managed issues = 1 unfulfilling relationship 1 person with unmanaged issues + 1 person with unmanaged issues = 1 unfulfilling relationship 1 person with managed issues + 1 person with managed issues = 1 fulfilling relationship Forget the astrology for a second. If you are trying to make things work with someone who is a pain in the ass all the time, who is sensitive over just anything, who has trust issues, etc., it makes things very, very difficult. What you don’t want in a relationship is an ongoing fight to make it work. You don’t want endless hassles. I was in a short relationship with someone years ago who cursed me out because when I went supermarket shopping, it took 45 minutes instead of 20 minutes. I was then accused of having sex with every woman within reach. Guess what I did? I said, “You cook. See ya!” In yet another situation, I was driving some 800 miles, one way, twice a month (in between doing music for a TV show) or so, only to be accused again of having a relationship at home. Why would anyone drive that far if they didn’t care? It’s silly and maddening. No one can have a relationship with insecurity and be fulfilled. How do we spot these kinds of things in a horoscope? Go right to that 2nd House. If planets in the 2nd House or the ruler are involved in tension, that’s your first queue. Then, look at the ruler of the 1st House. If that is retrograde or involved in tension, you have a “live one.” The third check is to look and see if there is parental tension shown in the horoscope because if there is, you know where the insecurity and identity issues come from. Then lastly, look at the 7th House because that is usually where all these issues dump themselves in adult life. If that also is challenged, you have a great candidate for the kinds of issues and insecurities that make relationships more challenging than they need to be. When a person has issues that are not controlled, it doesn’t matter what the synastry is about. Nothing in astrology will help that situation except that person getting their issues managed. Many, many, many relationships last a long time with one or both people being unfulfilled. They acquiesce to it and are just content to live for the moments when things are not stressful, usually because there is something that is a by-product of the relationship that is advantageous, especially if one person is unemployed or barely employed and the other is paying almost all of the bills. The goal is to have this equation: 1 fulfilled person + 1 fulfilled person = 1 fulfilled couple If it isn’t a win-win situation, both people lose!
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aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 6596 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted April 28, 2013 01:07 AM
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aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 6596 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted April 28, 2013 01:07 AM
I think it all depends on the natal chart and what the synastry does to help those issues.for example I have a heavily afflicted venus so my natural inclination is to be very suspicious and guarded around women. I was in a relationship with a girl who's personal planets (all of them) trined my venus and I loved her unconditionally and trusted her 100%. Being with her healed my Venus issues , atleast while it lasted.IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 3093 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted April 28, 2013 01:34 AM
Odette, aquaguy - I agree with both your posts.IP: Logged |
Lioness Knowflake Posts: 5727 From: Registered: Mar 2010
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posted April 28, 2013 01:41 AM
I don't fully understand.Doesn't everyone have some sort of unmanaged issue?
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Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 3093 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted April 28, 2013 01:47 AM
I think the point is, that if someone hasn't yet resolved their natal issues, chances are, they'll bring them to the relationship, so no matter what the synastry looks like (it can be wonderful) if the person has "unmanaged issues"... they will still sabotage the relationship.IP: Logged |
neilthecellist Knowflake Posts: 52 From: Oceanside, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2013
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posted April 28, 2013 01:50 AM
quote: Originally posted by Lioness: I don't fully understand.Doesn't everyone have some sort of unmanaged issue?
Not exactly. If you've seen your chart and worked all the aspects out... quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: I think the point is, that if someone hasn't yet resolved their natal issues, chances are, they'll bring them to the relationship, so no matter what the synastry looks like (it can be wonderful) if the person has "unmanaged issues"... they will still sabotage the relationship.
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cappy1277 Moderator Posts: 1515 From: philadelphia,pa Registered: Jul 2009
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posted April 28, 2013 01:49 PM
I totally agree and this has been the basis of arguments with close minded people who wanted me to look over their synastries with certain people they were seeing at the moment. The synastry can be fantastic and look like a soul mate relationship but unless that person with an afflicted Taurus moon in square to a retrograde Saturn gets closure or help on their abandonment issues regarding daddy, she has no hope of ever being happy with a man. My chart shows afflictions but I own my issues and take full responsibility for them. No one is void of having any type of issues but we should all try to work out what they are to understand why we act the way we do. There is no personal fulfillment when we avoid what is truly an issue IP: Logged |
Leocassandra Knowflake Posts: 75 From: Poland Registered: Jan 2013
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posted April 28, 2013 02:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by cappy1277: I totally agree and this has been the basis of arguments with close minded people who wanted me to look over their synastries with certain people they were seeing at the moment. The synastry can be fantastic and look like a soul mate relationship but unless that person with an afflicted Taurus moon in square to a retrograde Saturn gets closure or help on their abandonment issues regarding daddy, she has no hope of ever being happy with a man. My chart shows afflictions but I own my issues and take full responsibility for them. No one is void of having any type of issues but we should all try to work out what they are to understand why we act the way we do. There is no personal fulfillment when we avoid what is truly an issue
Agree. I think the most complain gets the length of relationship. Synastry can tell how's it gonna be, but not for how long. Even Sun conjunct Moon doesn't mean forever baby IP: Logged |
cappy1277 Moderator Posts: 1515 From: philadelphia,pa Registered: Jul 2009
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posted April 28, 2013 04:30 PM
So many times I've had to hear "oh but we have sun conjunct moon or sun conjunct venus or venus conjunct mars" but if those planets in your own chart are afflicted especially by harsh aspects from outer planets, it's not going to be that great. For example....my s.o. And I have pretty decent synastry but he has retrograde venus aquarius square taurus mars. His chart ruler the moon is in Sagittarius in the 6th house. He wants to be close and will take care of you but eventually he's gonna feel suffocated. He also has rx venus trine rx Pluto....intense much? Extremely but he holds it in and will suffer because he fears rejection with his moon opposite saturn (wide orb but it seems to play out somehow with those being his 1st & 7th house rulers)He has issues of control but hes sly with it. Mercury aquarius square uranus scorpio makes for some pretty intense head games even though he will never admit to it. Me? All I can say is that I have sun square Pluto with Gemini moon quincunxing my sun. I'm an eloquent tyrant...lol. If only he could get into astrology... IP: Logged |
LionFish Knowflake Posts: 499 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted April 29, 2013 02:55 PM
I don't think it's that the synastry is "irrelevant," because the attraction and the want to be together is still there. It's kinda like doing a composite chart on a relationship that hasn't even been established, it shows you the possibilities. Same with the synastry in this case. It shows how two people COULD be toward each other, granted that their own inner turmoils are worked out. I have Ah-mazing synastry with a very good friend of mine. His ASC/DSC conj mine, Venus-Venus-Moon grand trine. Sun trine Venus DW, My Venus conjunct his MC. My Saturn conj his Moon and trine his Venus/Merc/Sun/Jupiter stellium... oh the glue that binds us.. BUT he also has Uranus squaring that same stellium in his natal chart and Chiron squares it from the opposite side He told me he couldn't be with me like this: "I cheat on every woman I'm with, if I did that to you it would kill me. I can't risk you getting hurt and hating me." I always had the notion that if he felt that strongly about it, he wouldn't do it..but there is that Uranus square which says otherwise. Not to mention his Saturn squares his own Moon.. *sigh* We are still the best of friends though, and he still tells me he can't live without me...there's just that one hump in the road that I don't think will ever be smoothed out. He doesn't trust HIMSELF. That's a toughie So, personal growth has to happen for the synastry to flourish and manifest to it's true potential, but that doesn't mean it doesn't matter at all. IP: Logged |