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12thhouser
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posted May 01, 2013 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read before that people have described Venus in Pisces akin to a Mother Teresa type of figure in terms of healing, etc.. Well the healing portion is only one part of Pisces. There are countless other descriptions, but to address the Mother Teresa analogy (almost an archetype description), she actually has Venus in Leo (with nothing in Pisces), which, in my opinion, could be why her acts of healing and charity gained so much attention, being in Leo. But, yeah, no Pisces placements in her chart, which I thought was interesting.

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posted May 01, 2013 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is an interesting observation, she doesn't actually have anything in the sign Pisces. Never thought about it before when reading descriptions. Sometimes authors will use a celebrity for comparison's sake but I never thought to actually check to see if the celebrity has the placement.

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posted May 01, 2013 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think healing and sacrificial love can be seen in 6th house placements, spirituality can be seen in 6th and 12th, and 8th also...
Many times 12th house moons are deeply moved and feel empathy for others leading them to want to help due to their time spent in quiet contemplation and the pain felt from their emotional isolation.

Dahli Lahma has a 6th house pisces saturn and vesta, opposed his 12th house virgo moon conjunct neptune.
He has a taurus uranus in 8th...showing his desire to bring change in 8th house, this is opposed his scorpio karma in 2nd.
I've studied that because i have 12th house virgo moon opposed my 6th house pisces vesta and pallas....it seems to create deep inner need to reconnect to God through love for all mankind.
Dahli Lahma also has valentine conjunct vertex conjnuct juno in Aries 7th house, showing a (juno)marriage to (valentine)sacrificial love would be something that was destine to be brought to him and would change him for life....all of these oppose his libra mars in 1st house, which is sitting on his anti vertex...or the souls Ascendant, so he would be seen as a person who's deepest drive is to fight for this love.

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posted May 02, 2013 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't forget Virgo/6th house for service and humane qualities.

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posted May 02, 2013 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mom has Venus in Pisces, she was a masseuse in her 20s and could feel people's aches and pains in her hands when she touched them. It was common practice for her to lay hands on her clients before actually massaging so she could feel which places needed the most attention.

She left that profession after a few years for reasons that were explained to me before, but are lost to me now. She was always willing to put her skills to use for friends or family, though. I got free, professional, full-body massages my whole life. Until I broke my back, unbeknownst to me or anyone else at the time.

I was in a traumatic car accident that left a vertebrae in my back with what I like to call a "crystal fracture". The way a crystal glass can be shattered but still hold it's shape until it's touched again. That's what my vertebrae did. The small fractures weren't seen on an x-ray, but from that day on, my mom couldn't touch my upper back without excruciating pain, not only in her hands, but up her arms and shoulders.

I'm not sure what manifested Mother Teresa's gifts, but I know some Venus in Pisces posses similar traits.

It seems an easy connection to make, funny that she has no Pisces placements at all.

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Mother Teresa does have Chiron in Pisces. Anywhere from 0'7" - 0'10" if her birthdate is accurate on astro.com. And as some astrologers relate Chiron to Virgo (6th house) it makes sense that a Chiron in Pisces person would display similar healing qualities as a Venus in Pisces person. And with her Virgo Sun opposing Chiron I'm sure the effect was magnified.

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posted May 02, 2013 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It seems like Mother Theresa got attention for her acts of charity and often, Venus in Pisces goes unnoticed. Pisces is the sign of selfless service to humanity which means there's an element of self sacrifice involved when planets are placed in Pisces so someone with this placement is capable of being just as giving as Mother Theresa only what they do will not get the recognition because of the nature of this sign. Leo is all about getting noticed while Pisces is more about what is hidden, veiled or unseen.

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posted May 02, 2013 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chirp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
I've read before that people have described Venus in Pisces akin to a Mother Teresa type of figure in terms of healing, etc.. Well the healing portion is only one part of Pisces. There are countless other descriptions, but to address the Mother Teresa analogy (almost an archetype description), she actually has Venus in Leo (with nothing in Pisces), which, in my opinion, could be why her acts of healing and charity gained so much attention, being in Leo. But, yeah, no Pisces placements in her chart, which I thought was interesting.


The concept of literally being able to "heal" people I've read is more of a Pluto thing. Pisces has more to do with just being able to empathize and feel for people. Virgo (and the sixth house), are about a desire to serve and help others.

You can be an empathetic person but not want to go out and take care of people yourself. You can take care of people but not feel empathy towards them also - go in a public clinic and the doctors and nursing staff should prove that lmao.

Mother Theresa had Virgo going in her chart. If there's no Pisces activity to give her empathy, Neptune prominent or highly aspected would do the same thing. To be honest though, I've always thought - and I know I'll catch flack for this - that she was in it more for the attention and praise she got for it, than a genuine interest in helping people, so the Venus in Leo doesn't surprise me at all, with the love of the spotlight and a constant need for praise and to be the center of attention, being one of the negative ways the placement can manifest.

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posted May 02, 2013 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chirp:

The concept of literally being able to "heal" people I've read is more of a Pluto thing. Pisces has more to do with just being able to empathize and feel for people. Virgo (and the sixth house), are about a desire to serve and help others.

You can be an empathetic person but not want to go out and take care of people yourself. You can take care of people but not feel empathy towards them also - go in a public clinic and the doctors and nursing staff should prove that lmao.

Mother Theresa had Virgo going in her chart. If there's no Pisces activity to give her empathy, Neptune prominent or highly aspected would do the same thing. To be honest though, I've always thought - and I know I'll catch flack for this - that she was in it more for the attention and praise she got for it, than a genuine interest in helping people, so the Venus in Leo doesn't surprise me at all, with the love of the spotlight and a constant need for praise and to be the center of attention, being one of the negative ways the placement can manifest.



I've read that Virgo/6th house is about working for people and getting paid, like a carpenter or waiter while Pisces/12th house is about serving humanity and not getting paid. It's sacrificial, like Jesus in the Bible. That kind of service. It's someone who will help another but not look for a reward of any kind and not talk about it afterward. That is "selfless service" and it's associated with the sign Pisces.


And you see, this is why Venus is exalted in Pisces. Self sacrifice is the highest, truest form of love there is. This is the essence of such a placement. Venus in Pisces is a love that does not seek reward while Venus in Leo wants others to take notice and praise it. That's the fundamental difference in these two places although, as Mother Theresa has demonstrated, Leo is a very charitable, compassionate placement for Venus. In Leo, it's about the ego and self gratification. In Pisces, it's about genuine love for another that seeks nothing in return. The ego dissolves in Pisces.

This is also why it's so easy to like someone with this placement. It's because they are so unpretentious and easy to be around. Non judgmental (Pisces.) This is what attracts people to them and another component of the exaltation (Venus rules attraction.) When one hasn't any ego, others tend to be drawn to such a person and view them as non threatening.

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posted May 02, 2013 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chirp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chirp:
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The concept of literally being able to "heal" people I've read is more of a Pluto thing. Pisces has more to do with just being able to empathize and feel for people. Virgo (and the sixth house), are about a desire to serve and help others.

You can be an empathetic person but not want to go out and take care of people yourself. You can take care of people but not feel empathy towards them also - go in a public clinic and the doctors and nursing staff should prove that lmao.

Mother Theresa had Virgo going in her chart. If there's no Pisces activity to give her empathy, Neptune prominent or highly aspected would do the same thing. To be honest though, I've always thought - and I know I'll catch flack for this - that she was in it more for the attention and praise she got for it, than a genuine interest in helping people, so the Venus in Leo doesn't surprise me at all, with the love of the spotlight and a constant need for praise and to be the center of attention, being one of the negative ways the placement can manifest.



I've read that Virgo/6th house is about working for people and getting paid, like a carpenter or waiter while Pisces/12th house is about serving humanity and not getting paid. It's sacrificial, like Jesus in the Bible. That kind of service. It's someone who will help another but not look for a reward of any kind and not talk about it afterward. That is "selfless service" and it's associated with the sign Pisces.[/B][/QUOTE]


No it's not that clear cut. The thing is, each house represents multiple areas of life - the sixth is your personal health, and your daily mundane activities like cleaning and maintaining your household, and service, and the job you do for a paycheck, which is probably where the confusion on that comes from.

Pisces and Neptune (and by default, the 12th house) are just the emotion of empathy itself. You can feel that and have absolutely no desire to go out and actively volunteer and serve others yourself because empathy and activism/philanthropy/helping/serving aren't the same thing. Plenty of people actively do those things but feel nothing for the people they're serving, also. Now, if for you personal profit isn't the bottom line and you're less interested in the material world then yeah, you might be inclined to go out and help people for free but that has nothing to do with Pisces specifically.

Btw - Jesus sacrificed himself, but he wasn't a Pisces...but that is veering off into another subject kinda.

As far as the Venus exaltation in Pisces thing, I understand on-paper that that is the rule but it never really made much sense to me why it's exalted in Pisces and in fall in Virgo. To me, the concept of valuing/loving (venus) to serve/help others (virgo), seems pretty good. Again, this is the part where we have to remember that empathy and actually going out and helping and/or serving people, isn't the same thing. Venus in Pisces might be empathetic as all hell but that doesn't necessarily mean they will get off their bottom and actually do anything to help anyone. Also, I'm sure we've all met people that are so empathetic and feel so much of other people's pain that they've actually kind of shut-down emotionally and are pretty cold towards/with others as a way of trying to protect themselves.

The lack of judgmental tendencies - I think no one planet can take credit for that. It could be out of empathy (Neptune), or it could be coming from a more Uranian/Aquarian place along the lines of "Live and let live, who am I to tell others how they should be, I'm no better or worse, we're all equal."

And everybody has an ego, but if you're referring to people who actively try to suppress theirs, or have low-self esteem or an exaggerated sense of humility...I'm going to be honest, usually those people make me uncomfortable, either because I sniff out a rat and can tell it's a put-on for attention or praise, or because it just makes me genuinely uncomfortable to be around people who don't think very much of themselves, I don't think it's particularly healthy and a lot of people with low self-esteem have "Crabs in a Barrel" syndrome and have a tendency to go around trying to make others feel as miserable about themselves and their lives, as they do about their own. I actually prefer the company of confident, even cocky people because usually they're too satisfied with themselves to try and squash you to make themselves feel better - they don't need to.

About Leo - this, I partly agree with you on, and partly not. The dark side of Leo is the constant attention-seeking but like Isabel Hickey pointed out in "Astrology : A Cosmic Science", Leo is the sign that actually rules the physical heart and the heart in a more figurative sense in terms of generosity where others are concerned. It's a bit of a misnomer to say Leos or individuals with big egos, are incapable of being generous where other people are concerned; the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive and the world is full of cocky ******** who like to hand out money, Leo or no - Elvis Presley used to strut around stage like a peacock in a cape and a gaudy stone-studded costume but had a penchant for giving anybody who breathed in his vicinity a car, just because.

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posted May 02, 2013 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with you, Chirp, it's the empathy but it's also about sacrifice. By sacrifice I mean, Venus in Pisces will sacrifice their time/energy/life to another. It's what they do. For instance, let's say a child has this placement, in his family, he will be asked to give something up so that a brother/sister/parent or someone less fortunate them himself can have what they want. Good thing is, Venus in Pisces is also about karma so they will get a reward from some source at some point for giving up so much, but it won't necessarily be from the person they gave something up for. That's what's so beautiful and magical about the sign Pisces. It's not about logic. It's about divine retribution and willing to give just to give. That's the influence of Venus in this sign and why Pisces has a reputation for this sort of thing. They will give more of themselves than the people around them with different placements.

Yes, I can understand why it's exalted in Pisces when you think about what Pisces means, what and what it's about. Venus in Pisces is not an easy placement like it appears. It's a tough life. It's not easy to give up what you want in life so someone else can have what they want but this is what love is supposed to be about and since Venus is exalted in Pisces, people with it here are able to experience that level of love. Virgo and Leo cannot experience it the way Venus in Pisces can. This is why it is exalted here. Love is not about ego although in the other signs, there two are confused. In Pisces, love is purer and truer so they experience it in it's real meaning.

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posted May 02, 2013 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chirp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I agree with you, Chirp, it's the empathy but it's also about sacrifice. By sacrifice I mean, Venus in Pisces will sacrifice their time/energy/life to another. It's what they do. For instance, let's say a child has this placement, in his family, he will be asked to give something up so that a brother/sister/parent or someone less fortunate them himself can have what they want. Good thing is, Venus in Pisces is also about karma so they will get a reward from some source at some point for giving up so much, but it won't necessarily be from the person they gave something up for. That's what's so beautiful and magical about the sign Pisces. It's not about logic. It's about divine retribution and willing to give just to give. That's the influence of Venus in this sign and why Pisces has a reputation for this sort of thing. They will give more of themselves than the people around them with different placements.


I think you're over-idealizing the placement a bit and making a few generalizations, because there's plenty of people who are giving that aren't Venus in Pisces, and there are plenty that are, that are selfish, or will do things but it isn't from an entirely selfless benevolent place, either.

My brother is a Venus in Pisces. Sure, he took me in when others wouldn't - for which I'm extremely grateful. Having said that, he had no problem using me for money on a regular basis, years before I moved in with him and has told me stories before about girls he's met online and sweet-talked into sending him hundreds of dollars before changing his phone number once he came back from Western Union with the cash, and they never heard from him again.

So no I can't really sign-on with what you're saying. Every Venus has the potential to be kind at the expense of self and/or selfish.

Also, again - if this connection is being made largely because of the story of Jesus - again, he was around during the Piscean Age, but no he wasn't a Pisces as he was born during the time of year when they took the census there, and that time was during the summer, long after the sun moved out of Pisces. There was a discussion on Astrodienst about this once; odds are pretty good that Jesus was, in actuality, a Leo sun.

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posted May 02, 2013 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm just using astrology, Chirp. You can believe it or not. I'd like to think this placement offers the world something that other placements do not and our souls can be enriched by these people with this particular placement. You can disagree if you want, that's fine. Pisces is about idealism so I am going out on a limb and will idealize this placement since it's about Venus at it's most idealistic anyway, lol. Why not? If I am going to have the opportunity to idealize something, this is the perfect one, right so might as well

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posted May 02, 2013 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chirp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm just using astrology, Chirp. You can believe it or not. I'd like to think this placement offers the world something that other placements do not and our souls can be enriched by these people with this particular placement. You can disagree if you want, that's fine. Pisces is about idealism so I am going out on a limb and will idealize this placement since it's about Venus at it's most idealistic anyway, lol. Why not? If I am going to have the opportunity to idealize something, this is the perfect one, right so might as well


That's exactly it, I have the right to agree or disagree, so I'm not entirely sure why you're trying to browbeat me into agreeing with you?

I don't because I've seen real-life examples that contradict what you're saying. Venus in Pisces can be just as much out-for-Self as the next person, trying to pin one trait whole-hog on one sign is a bit simplistic and stereotypical and does a disservice to all the people out there that don't have that placement but actually are giving people themselves. Trust me, Venus in Pisces is just as capable of good and bad where others are concerned as everybody else, and your Jesus example kinda proves my point because odds are pretty good that the only thing Jesus had in Pisces was Jupiter and Saturn; he definitely wasn't a Pisces sun, and Venus in Pisces is a cr.apshoot, too...

If you want me to agree with you sure, I can do that, but it would be lying just to pacify you and I'd like to think that everybody is interested in honesty and has the maturity to be able to handle that.

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posted May 02, 2013 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That's exactly it, I have the right to agree or disagree, so I'm not entirely sure why you're trying to browbeat me into agreeing with you?

I don't because I've seen real-life examples that contradict what you're saying. Venus in Pisces can be just as much out-for-Self as the next person, trying to pin one trait whole-hog on one sign is a bit simplistic and stereotypical and does a disservice to all the people out there that don't have that placement but actually are giving people themselves. Trust me, Venus in Pisces is just as capable of good and bad where others are concerned as everybody else, and your Jesus example kinda proves my point because odds are pretty good that the only thing Jesus had in Pisces was Jupiter and Saturn; he definitely wasn't a Pisces sun, and Venus in Pisces is a cr.apshoot, too...

If you want me to agree with you sure, I can do that, but it would be lying just to pacify you and I'd like to think that everybody is interested in honesty and has the maturity to be able to handle that.



I was just saying there's more to Pisces/12th house than just empathy and emotion and it does extend into sacrifice and service, like house 6, but it has a different character and it is not about self gratification and ego. You don't have to agree. I was simply adding to what you typed

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posted May 02, 2013 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chirp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chirp:
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That's exactly it, I have the right to agree or disagree, so I'm not entirely sure why you're trying to browbeat me into agreeing with you?

I don't because I've seen real-life examples that contradict what you're saying. Venus in Pisces can be just as much out-for-Self as the next person, trying to pin one trait whole-hog on one sign is a bit simplistic and stereotypical and does a disservice to all the people out there that don't have that placement but actually are giving people themselves. Trust me, Venus in Pisces is just as capable of good and bad where others are concerned as everybody else, and your Jesus example kinda proves my point because odds are pretty good that the only thing Jesus had in Pisces was Jupiter and Saturn; he definitely wasn't a Pisces sun, and Venus in Pisces is a cr.apshoot, too...

If you want me to agree with you sure, I can do that, but it would be lying just to pacify you and I'd like to think that everybody is interested in honesty and has the maturity to be able to handle that.



I was just saying there's more to Pisces/12th house than just empathy and emotion and it does extend into sacrifice and service, like house 6, but it has a different character and it is not about self gratification and ego. You don't have to agree. I was simply adding to what you typed [/B][/QUOTE]


In your opinion, there is. Which, you're entitled to as I'm entitled to mine so I'm again I'm not entirely sure what you want me to say? Also, I stated exactly and in their entirety my views on the subject so adding anything to it isn't really necessary for my benefit and it's more about trying to make me agree with you than anything else.

Again, like I said, I can't do that because what I've seen in reality flies in the face of what you're saying here. Now, if you want, you can continue to try and browbeat it into me but honestly, with the fixed axis as active in my chart as it is, you'll probably be at it a really, really long time...and I have Uranus angular so after all that I still wouldn't agree with you.

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posted May 02, 2013 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's no need, lol. I just liked what you typed and wanted to add to it is all. Thanks for your insights, I found them quite inspirational

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posted May 02, 2013 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chirp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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There's no need, lol. I just liked what you typed and wanted to add to it is all. Thanks for your insights, I found them quite inspirational


Sure.

I still don't agree with you.

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posted May 03, 2013 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about we get back to topic, please. Thanks.

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